Micro 1023 - The Coalition: TBotITGBSMoD [game over]

[Iverson]

HEAL: Iverson, Black Ranger, Uncle Shelby, GuiltyLion, Vulture

WELCOME TO THE PIZZA KIDS COALITION

THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU LIKE PIZZA-PEPPERONI, MOZARELLA AND ANCHOVY-THE MEMBERS ABOVE ARE ALL PROVISIONAL

[Iverson]

VOTE: implosion

WELL KNOWN PIZZA HATER

[Iverson]

Tagging yourself in the coverart is encouraged, I am the saucer that supports the Heavenly Cheese from below

[Iverson]

Sister Cheeky, do you have no passion for pizza nor voting?

[Iverson]

For anyone who missed it in signups, I am publicly Prism.

I'm not really enthused with the gamestart but don't really want to engage anyone in particular that's posted yet. I'll circle back later.

[Iverson]

So what’s the best way to get a winning coalition?

Pretty sure this is supposed to be directly up your alley.

Is it better for scum to have two people in the coalition or one in and one out? I can see sides of both but depending on what scum are good at as scum it might not mean a lot to talk this out.

It is better for scum to have exactly one person in the Coalition. It improves the chance of a sweep; after the first scum vote the paths are equivalent.

Mechanics in this game are pretty straightforward and not worth lingering on imo.

HURT: Vulture

Iverson what's up

A lot more now that you/Vulture are here. Part of me wants to leave my vote on implosion but I can just move back if he doesn't give content later.

Thought Vulture had played this setup before but I appear to be mistaken.

Going to vote park elsewhere for now.

VOTE: Black Ranger

[Iverson]

My break is up in 3 minutes and this game hasn't provided me with any serotonin yet, somebody call me scum or something

I read this as "my break up is in 3 minutes" and you became my favorite player for half a second

[Iverson]

Feel free to suggest a breaking strategy or a concrete starting suggestion to build off of rather than just aimlessly wondering if one exists.

[Iverson]

Yes, we vote in a (wrong) coalition. The only other strategy worth discussing is voting outside of it in the ~hopes~ that we hit scum outside and clear everyone else outside. This is not a good idea at all.

I am again confused where you are going with this and would ask for a concrete starting suggestion for any sort of setup breakage.

[Iverson]

How do you feel about Vulture, implosion?

[Iverson]

I wasn't a fan of Cheeky's posting but she's trying to put out content. I contrast that to Vulture, who instead of giving hasty alignment speculation lingered aimlessly on mechanics.

I already have this hydra as a townlean though, not because of Cheeky but because of Gamma.

Gamma has been tilted out of his mind lately by people not efforting as scum/a rapidfire town getting ahead early. He's learned to play significantly faster paced accordingly in order to avoid this. Here he was content to pop in and leave it to Cheeky; in contrast scumGamma has been of this bizarre mindset that he's the one carrying every game even when he gets flipped Day 1/2 like clockwork.

[Iverson]

I don't really have a read on Vulture, curious as to why Implosion has them as town (I don't think GL's reasoning there is bad, it's an interesting mistake)

Will swap my heal to Gamma/Cheeky though.

HURT: Vulture
HEAL: CheekyGamma

[Iverson]

My logic on VultureTown is basically the earnestness with which they seem interested in reasoning out the bet way to do setup things. In particular the second line of 61 feels like something scum who wants to be in the coalition would be reticent to say. I don't really mind the setup spec for its own sake particularly since they dropped it now.

I think this is so straightforward to fake, in contrast to GuiltyLion, and I already want to dayvig you for it.

"earnestness in reasoning out the setup" is awful.

[Iverson]

VOTE: Implosion

Guess I'm going back on the pizza hater

[Iverson]

Implosion's reasoning is horrific.

Vulture is a townlean for me just because I know their main and they come out more aggressive here imo.

Implosion is oldschool and sees scum focus on mech like clockwork and he should be shot on sight.

[Iverson]

Part of me says replace Black Ranger with them but I'm not going to spam hurt/heal votes for every readshift, I'll periodically update instead.

[Iverson]

Bad reasoning doesn't mean its not complex reasoning.

Cool. Why's this not apply to GL? Do I get the same benefit of the doubt?

[Iverson]

This alt is meant to be extremely aggressive but I don't want to choke the game out; I'll be back later.

Lean Coalition town despite categorically disagreeing with their reads.

[Iverson]

Implosion's read is literally "they seem nice enough talking about mech" when I strongly, STRONGLY doubt that is something he's learned to put as a +town behavior playing since 2012.

[Iverson]

2010.

Given we started at the same time & place I guess I'm going senile.

[Iverson]

If you want me to talk about the meta on you I can but I will publicly out you and prove your identity preemptively if I do so.

[Iverson]

Implosion is oldschool and sees scum focus on mech like clockwork and he should be shot on sight.

This is, not true? I generally don't consider almost anything like "focusing on mech" to be alignment-indicative outside of context, and I think the context of the tone in which Vulture did it is townish.

Scum might focus on mechanics sometimes but it was page three and and Vulture had already said they were going to drop it at that point.

Like,

Implosion's read is literally "they seem nice enough talking about mech"

This is a drastic mischaracterization. In fact I pointed out the second line of 61 which is specifically not being like, especially "nice". The "scorched earth" rhetoric is something I think scum would be reticent to say because scum naturally will want to get into the coalition (so as to not automatically lose) and would probably have an instinct to not want to literally burn it down afterward.

This is a lot of words to say "it's the way they discussed mech", ie. tonal, with the only concrete thing to point to (voting in a false coalition) relaying the most blatant optimal play as though the slot is inhabited by a 3rd grader.

Bonus: Why do you think my read will flip? You have never played with me as town, and I tunneled you both games I was scum across multiple days (Once you were my partner, once you were town)

[Iverson]

Gamma's scumgame has actually evolved a lot in the past couple months, what may have caught them in the past won't catch them anymore. But him pointing this out himself in response to a townread on him is something that I wouldn't assign to his scumrange

My point on Gamma actually utilizes the lessons he learned as scum to hypothesize why he wouldn't defer the start. ie. It is utilizing that evolution, not denying it

[Iverson]

"Your push on me feels almost hollow, though not in a particularly scummy way."

[Iverson]

Tackling your question directly: It isn't much of a commitment on Implosion's part, and the benefit is the basic veneer of scum hunting that is expected of you. I don't put much weight on disagreeing with Shelby factoring in to begin with, and it is often useful to voice opposition early for TvT scenarios.

While I think the weight you put on the Shelby push explains the focus on cost/benefit, I think on a larger scale you are putting way too much stock into scum not giving townreads without immediate concrete reason to do so. Early game they generally are just trying to fit in and hunt like everyone else.

[Iverson]

iverson, even if you don't townread implo yet, at least take the gas off and try elsewhere. I don't think you're SvT at all and definitely not SvS.

I have outed two townreads-one with extended justification, the other denied it by meta-elsewhere while you townread implosion for not being a potato and tunnel GuiltyLion for incoherent nonsense.

If implosion is town all you have to do is get out of the way.

[Iverson]

My initial list was me+the 4 people below me in the playerlist. I haven't bothered to swap every readchange but Vulture should go in so far.

[Iverson]

Righto, is it too early to ask what you think of Uncle Shelby so far?
~C

Yes, partially because I'm unfamiliar with him and partially because I'm out and can't easily revisit atm

[Iverson]

I am unironically down to policy Coalition if the 5 don't go through, and I say that as someone who wants them in the 5.

[Iverson]

My 5 ATM would probably be me, Coalition, CheekyGamma, Vulture and...? Last one is hard.

[Iverson]

I'm not Vulture but scum that are so overly aggressive/arrogant are far and few in between on MS. Much more common on places like EM, ex. Players like the banned Transcend

[Iverson]

Actually if that's Koba maybe, but I won't play this game if it's Koba so