Micro 1023 - The Coalition: TBotITGBSMoD [game over]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.03

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-08-13 20:45:00).

coalition

Iverson [5]:

Iverson, Black Ranger, Uncle Shelby, GuiltyLion, The Cheek of Gamma
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The Coalition [5]:

implosion, Uncle Shelby, The Coalition, Vulture, The Cheek of Gamma
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Uncle Shelby [4]:

Iverson, Black Ranger, Uncle Shelby, GuiltyLion
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GuiltyLion [4]:

GuiltyLion, Vulture, Iverson, The Cheek of Gamma
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implosion [0]:

Black Ranger [0]:

Vulture [0]:

Art [0]:

The Cheek of Gamma [0]:

yeet

The Coalition [2]:

GuiltyLion, The Cheek of Gamma

implosion [1]:

Iverson

Vulture [1]:

Uncle Shelby

not voting [5]:

The Coalition, implosion, Black Ranger, Vulture, Art

mod notes

~ Art has (expired on 2021-07-30 18:00:00) to confirm their role pm before i start looking for a replacement
~ my vote counter does not work for heal votes, which means i'm counting everything by hand. please yell at me if i miss any votes.

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[Iverson]

Bad reasoning doesn't mean its not complex reasoning.

Cool. Why's this not apply to GL? Do I get the same benefit of the doubt?

[The Coalition]

datisi deserve to suffer for making me get an avi so do it

[Iverson]

This alt is meant to be extremely aggressive but I don't want to choke the game out; I'll be back later.

Lean Coalition town despite categorically disagreeing with their reads.

[The Coalition]

Bad reasoning doesn't mean its not complex reasoning.

Cool. Why's this not apply to GL? Do I get the same benefit of the doubt?

Their reasoning isn't complex to me

[Iverson]

Implosion's read is literally "they seem nice enough talking about mech" when I strongly, STRONGLY doubt that is something he's learned to put as a +town behavior playing since 2012.

[Iverson]

2010.

Given we started at the same time & place I guess I'm going senile.

[Vulture]

Implosion's reasoning is horrific.

Vulture is a townlean for me just because I know their main and they come out more aggressive here imo.

Implosion is oldschool and sees scum focus on mech like clockwork and he should be shot on sight.

Huh.

[Vulture]

I don't think thinking someone is 'earnest' is the part of that post that's eyebrow raising, regardless.

[Iverson]

If you want me to talk about the meta on you I can but I will publicly out you and prove your identity preemptively if I do so.

[The Cheek of Gamma]

also general suggestion is to use the coalition itself as pressure as it scares scum a lot more to see their name excluded on lists. I had people voting me in the last iteration and it had 0 effect on pressure(I was town tho), but seeing ppl not include my name made me feel pressured to get on.

I like this.

~ C

[Vulture]

I was mostly just curious if you were correct but I would prefer my privacy.

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I wasn't a fan of Cheeky's posting but she's trying to put out content. I contrast that to Vulture, who instead of giving hasty alignment speculation lingered aimlessly on mechanics.

I already have this hydra as a townlean though, not because of Cheeky but because of Gamma.

Gamma has been tilted out of his mind lately by people not efforting as scum/a rapidfire town getting ahead early. He's learned to play significantly faster paced accordingly in order to avoid this. Here he was content to pop in and leave it to Cheeky; in contrast scumGamma has been of this bizarre mindset that he's the one carrying every game even when he gets flipped Day 1/2 like clockwork.

While I appreciate the sentiment, it’s blatant misinformation that I almost always get eliminated D1/2
Out of 4 recent games where I rolled scum at the start (I had 1 game where I replaced into a doomed scum slot) I was not voted out or caught within the first 2 days in 2 of them, and I had decent endgame equity in both of the games I made it past the beginning in
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

GL reasoning works backwards, starting at "this person is X" and then tries to manufacture reasons for it. I'm not sure where people get townreads on that but its like blatantly scum and I'm vetoing all coalitions with them on it.

Why is it blatantly scum?
Tbh I have a plethora of thoughts on this
-G

[Vulture]

What are those thoughts?

[GuiltyLion]

GL reasoning works backwards, starting at "this person is X" and then tries to manufacture reasons for it. I'm not sure where people get townreads on that but its like blatantly scum and I'm vetoing all coalitions with them on it.

a) where do you see me doing that?
b) Do you disagree with any of my townreads (Iverson, Cheek, Vulture) in my coalition? If not, this is a bizarrely harsh reaction to the fact that I'm scumreading you

[GuiltyLion]

GL reasoning works backwards, starting at "this person is X" and then tries to manufacture reasons for it.

I just re-ISO'd myself and I'm really having a hard time seeing how this could be a genuine interpretation of any of my posts or reasoning that I've given

[The Cheek of Gamma]

1) I don’t think that’s what GL is doing
2) why so certain about something that is very much a thing townies also do?
3) if 1 is clarified, I could potentially see an issue because while I think in general the action described isn’t AI I think doing it this early would be weird, in a bad way

[GuiltyLion]

I'm also not sure I buy the tone progression from "I'm so indecisive lol!" to "GL is blatantly scum and I will veto every coalition with him in it", makes me feel that the former was performative (as I already called out) and the latter is agenda-driven.

[The Coalition]

I can be sure on some slots and be unsure on others, anything else, scum?

[The Coalition]

everytime someone tries to claim they caught me within the first 5 pages of a game, they've flipped scum so get fucked u got caught early.

[GuiltyLion]

As I said, I'd like you to address which of my reads you think was manufactured from a starting conclusion, and whether you disagree with anyone in my coalition besides me.

[The Coalition]

Gamma's scumgame has actually evolved a lot in the past couple months, what may have caught them in the past won't catch them anymore. But him pointing this out himself in response to a townread on him is something that I wouldn't assign to his scumrange

[The Coalition]

Are you actually confident on those names?

[GuiltyLion]

everytime someone tries to claim they caught me within the first 5 pages of a game, they've flipped scum so get fucked u got caught early.

this big ol show of bravado won't get you very far with me

p-edit: I feel quite confident on Iverson/Vulture, yeah. Cheek a bit less so but pretty good.