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you likely can't accept this at face value but, 'reasons'

Oh, also, this obviously isn’t an acceptable answer to the question of “why did you quickhammer town in a very knowing way so early into D2 and thereby make what was a very likely won game significantly harder”

I was confident T3 was town and don’t think he goes through yesterday if he’s not quickhammered

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Skitter why do you town read me.

i liked your tone when you were joking around claims in rvs + your ico vote was good

This is weird though because I feel like I was townier last time we played and hard pushed a scum elimination through and you still scumread me.

Need more opinions, is this post clearing or is this easily fakeable theatre?

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I have deliberately not confirmed my exact role to make life harder for scum and I kinda wish morning had done the same thing

I still see no benefit to town from me outing the details despite scum *proooobably* having PoE’d my exact role by now

Also you’re right, you didn’t really push me I remembered you suggesting I was scum and the vote on me but the vote was RVS so those things together don’t equal push

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Speaking to dwlee is kinda making me want Skitt -> DotW -> ydra

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Yeah, you asked if I was trying to do the same thing I’d just done in the game where I was scum, thereby implying I’d rolled scum again

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And also you're doing this thing where you clearly seem to think dats is scummier but voting me? Why is that?

This also felt like you were shading me

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T3 is conftown now my dude, because he flipped and is scum

So when I look at that post what I see is:

Pushing three people who were all viable mislims if ydra and titanic are town (which given that they can’t be scum together is significantly more likely than it seemed yesterday/coming into today) and hedging on the confscum slot

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Anyway, who’s scum, DotW?

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Dwlee whats your current solve?

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I’m gonna have to push you for an answer there in the “if it gets this far reeval” chief

Essentially

If we were to go skitt -> DotW -> ydra

And the game hasn’t ended

Why should it not be you who gets flipped next and who should it be instead?

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Protip: the 3p would be you, titanic, ta vera there

Who would be scum of the three of you if game isn’t over?

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Gut says Titanic

Okay, why is titanic a better slot than ydrasse and DotW?

Also please be more e x p a n s i v e in ur answers, ty

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T3 is conftown now my dude, because he flipped and is scum

Yeah, thought you meant they were obvtown at the time. I guess my point is me voting someone who I didn't realize was town and then saying I'm waiting for someone to catch up so we can get content out of them and now I've stated I'm willing to vote them doesn't really seem like an actual reason to scumread me

Also I'm assuming you had a brain fart to say "flipped and is scum"

It seems like a good enough reason to scumread you when i have better reasons to townread everyone else than I can think of for townreading you?

And it’s not that it was JYST T3, it’s that, if titanic/ydra pairing is indeed town then you were pushing the probably 3 most mislimmable townslots while avoiding taking a hard stance on the one scum one of the group you talked about

Plus you seem more interested in this back and forth or correcting small points (like my brain fart, which it admittedly was) than in trying to nail down where the final scum is or in solving the game, and that, even without literally anything else, feels like a good reason to think you’re skitt’s buddy and the final scum

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Okay well

Lucky 4 u I have to go to sleep now

So I will expect ur answers tomorrow my fine young person, said answers being to the questions: “uhh, what “things” are these that you speak of exactly?”; “what specific reasons do you have for not thinking DotW is town? What would he have been doing differently if town?”

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Pooky of order: do not crib your answers to questions 2(a) and 2(b) from 937

Plagiarism is monitored an strictly punished

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He would be doing a thing that he is not at the present doing.

>.>

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He would be doing a thing that he is not at the present doing.

This is town right @peta @morning?

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Or does dwlee know me well enough to know that the best way to get me, someone they desperately need to TR them if they’re scum, is to get sassy with me at precisely the moment they should by all rights be sucking up?

Hmmm

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We’ll see what profs petapan and Morning Tweet have to say

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It’s possible you will be excused and marked on work already provided

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This game is a sort of disappointing if the team is icon/skitt/DotW or icon/skitt/ydra

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Unvote, if that’s E-1 skitt will self

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Let's wrap this skiiter up and then I'll start hunting for the final scummazer tomorrow

...why is this necessary fypov?

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Morning who are we targeting? I’ll do DotW you do ydrasse? And if either of us die and the other has no guilty we lim the person the dead one targeted?

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Oh wait there’s a potential problem here

gypyx, are scum multitasking?

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Or actually maybe titanic>ydrasse where if no guilty (or neither of us dies and we get two clears) we always just lim ydra

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But if titanic clear then probably re-examine dwlee (more likely) and ta vera (far less so but worth doing due diligence before 3p)

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a lot of people TR that reaction

uh

Like one person townread that homie and literally everyone else said it was NAI for me, including me

I’m townread by now bc (1) claim (2) skitter interactions and (3) everyone here knows I fucking detest scum and am so tired that I literally wouldn’t have had the will to keep going by this point if I’d rolled scum ((4) while I’ve had some steamers I would have had to have played a next level dogshit game on D1 for me to have thought anything I did there was a good move for scum!me)

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i don't have anything else to say right now, can't bring myself to focus when the elim for the day is all but decided

Talk to me about ta vera and where your head is at on ydra/titanic and on dwlee after his posting yesterday and on whether you think DotW is the last one or if that’s just too easy

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Asking ydrasse for like the 5th time to justify her T3 quickhammer if she’s town

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Is the scumteam confirmed 3 players lol? Maybe it’s skitts, ydra, and titanic

That would be good

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I'd probably kill ta vera in me/ta/Titanic 3p now btw mena

How wonderfully unreassuring (:

Why?

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Not sure if I’m stuck on this in a good way (as in, that hammer was so bad and it actually does confirm ydra as scum) or in a bad way (where it was terrible but from town for the standard ????? reasons that town sometimes have) but ydrasse just... refusing to answer or avoiding it does not give me the Good Feels

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Titanic's ydrasse posting felt +town

Y

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My main issue here is that titanic’s ydrasse read requires the handwaving of the double quickhammers and complete ~lack~ on D1 and D2

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But mostly that T3 quickhammer was just so fuckin scummy man

Like that was pure Machiavellian getting-shit-dome dirty hands scumwork and I’m so baffled why town!ydra would literally ever do that

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I stg if I hear the words “vibe check” instead of actual reasons one more time...

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Vibes is such a meaningless and aleatoric term

You think you’re going to catch titanic based on the vibe? Have you like, ever encountered scum!titanic before? What about scum!ydrasse? One of the main reasons why scum!ydra gets misread as town is people reading her based on vibes at her own admission, instead of looking at what she’s actually done which is scummy af

What she has done in concrete terms is: (1) nothing to solve the game (2) cut off discussion twice (3) insist (inaccurately) that she wouldn’t play like this as scum which (a) does nothing to make it easier to sort her slot and (b) is still not actually solving or looking for the remaining scum

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Right, my point is that reading titanic on vibes is also meaningless because he’s one of the best scum players on site and is perfectly capable of recreating a towny “vibe”

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So what has he actually *done* this game that is town or advanced the town’s wincon?

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The only thing I can think of is vote for scum but at both points it’s been at times when he really like, *needed* to if he’s last scum to stand a chance of endgaming

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THAT IS SOMETHING HE WOULD WANT TO DO AS EITHER ALIGNMENT

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THAT IS LITERALLY

THE DEFINITION

OF NAI

ARE YOU JUST SCUM HERE DWLEE OR WHAT

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Just had to delete a whole ass post because i was losing my shit

Like

Look at my sig

I just want to end this game and not play anymore

Why are so many people insistent on making that a harder thing to do when it’s impossible all are scum

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Asking ydrasse for like the 5th time to justify her T3 quickhammer if she’s town

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I also don't even know who Titanic's main is btw so if you give me that I'll do a vibe meter test on his games and see if I'm right before checking alignment.

Pedit: I thought you'd know that's a joke

Hectic

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Morning who are we targeting? I’ll do DotW you do ydrasse? And if either of us die and the other has no guilty we lim the person the dead one targeted?

This seems like a great way to announce to scum who they can make you mislim with specific actions or a great way for scum!you to set up mislims

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he could’ve been scum

...based on??

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perhaps I should clarify that I slept about two and half hours last night and spent the entire day walking around (which while lovely was also tiring) and therefore I am more than a little strained today

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Just had to delete a whole ass post because i was losing my shit

Like

Look at my sig

I just want to end this game and not play anymore

Why are so many people insistent on making that a harder thing to do when it’s impossible all are scum

If I'm right on Hectic then I am making it easier.

Yes, but whether you’re right on hectic is 75% of the time you are but that’s the same as the odds of you being right on literally anyone else in the game providing you’re town yourself

What you’re not doing is providing any reason for that % to go up because the things you’re TRing him for are totally NAI

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sorry...

I don’t mean to snap at you so sorry about that but this game is just such a deeply irritating experience in many ways

From aristeia’s “mena sounds scummy from 3 posts” take, to datisi roleblocking me when it would have generated a clear on hectic if he hadn’t which in turn would have helped me feel a bit better about you, to yes, admittedly, you not doing anything towny and then claiming that that makes you town when it’s clearly a fallacious argument, to dwlee refusing to actually put in the work to try and sort hectic in a meaningful way, to the knowledge that I’ve already accidentally tried harder this game than I wanted to which means that if we don’t win I’ll feel like shit for not getting it correct and that I may well be making all efforts here in vain if it IS as simple as DotW/skitt but I don’t get to feel confident that’s the case because there are a number of slots refusing to be easily read or to do the things that would make them easier to read for reasons that I frankly don’t understand, and I’m being told I have to then take it on faith from other slots that I’m not comfortable with that “nah, it’s chill mena, just don’t worry about it” when I know that with this much setup revealed I’m probably confirmed to scum in terms of role which means that I likely die tonight and then I have no chance to reevaluate things which means I need to be right *today* to be of enduring use

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Yes, but if the game reaches that point it’s because not enough work was done beforehand or mistakes were made. Everyone actually doing their bit to make sure things are going right is how you insure against that shit happening, and also, guess what! Doing it before you absolutely have to makes it a lot easier to trust that you genuinely want to solve the game and not just look like you want to solve the game, as anyone in 3p lylo should be deeply sceptical of the other two by then, and frankly I don’t want to chance leaving the result of the game down to you or someone else making a 50/50 vote there. I would much rather win beforehand, but we only have 2 mislims left because of the T3 quickhammer which means that after doing skitt it is *necessary* to have successfully PoE’d down to 2 scum with high confidence to guarantee (or as close as possible) the win

That is made a hell of a lot easier if you do things like, yes, going through titanic and ta vera to assess if your reasons to think (atp) that titanic would be more likely town than ta vera are based in a solid foundation or if they’re no better than rand

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It’s probably like 60% maybe 70% just DotW who is the partner

But if it’s not him, this game is *significantly* harder because there’s a lot less separating you-titanic-ydrasse from each other (and yes, even ta vera at that point) than there is separating y’all from DotW

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Maybe the right thing to do is lim DotW today even actually, because again, skitt is confscum at this point and while it feels weird to not lim confscum if it is the most likely partner for her then we end the game today

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Going to mull that over a bit

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Actually, I like that idea

VOTE: DotW

This way at least one of me/morning is still around to discuss who skitt’s partner is if it’s not DotW

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Right, thank you

Please press her further on that

I’m exhausted but I need to go to the health centre to have what will definitely be a *fun* interaction trying to get registered in social security so

I’m off

May be back later but honestly I might just sleep for about 14 hours

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Stop putting skitter at e-1 ffs

If DotW is town who is scum @peta

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You know if I had a better memory for what scum do in the past I’d be fucking great at this game

I can’t recall if Dwlee’s take on titanic being founded in... not very good reasons is the sort of shit I’ve seen from scum or town more often in the past. And postgame I’ll remember, but I can’t now and don’t have time/energy to dig through past games to try and check

Whats the thing called, recall vs recognition I think? Where brain finds it much easier to slot something into a pattern we’ve seen before than recall what the pattern is without prompts

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Imagine a world where I don’t get roleblocked and get to check titanic N1

Imagine

(Yes I am still salty that datisi thought I ever play D1 like that as scum and that EVEN IF HE THOUGHT THAT THAT HE WOULD THINK I WOULD THEN DO THE KILL)

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Okay sleep well peta

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I actually! Slept enough last night! I am rested for the first time in a week!

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I mostly don’t think it’s dwlee atp

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I would like ta vera to weigh in on... everything before EoD

I’m still not really seeing why DotW is town. Like I mean I had the thought of this seems like it’s losing for scum but like equally... if he’s scum then scum were just hard fucked this game from today and I can see the lack of motivation to post in that sort of situation because I’ve seen it before

Also, maybe this is me overreacting idk, but he made a post where it felt like he was trying to keep me available/on-the-table as an option and that definitely *seemed* to me to be a fairly key part of scum plan based on skitt’s approach to D2 and today before the guilty got outed, so I also sorta wonder if the plan in scum PT (and given scum!skitt there was a plan) was to mislim me but skitt ducked after the guilty (fair enough) and the result has been that DotW is trying to follow an outdated plan without paying too much attention to the finer points of what’s happening in thread?

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If dwlee is scum then I think they’re playing around me quite specifically which is why I need opinions on them from others because I think I do significantly worse at spotting scum who are playing their game with me in mind

But I think I TR the reluctance to appease me when I was pushing them to do stuff followed by the eventual capitulation? Like it really felt like I had to genuinely drag out a willingness to do something and I’m thinking on a recent game where I was alting where I had a feeling when having a similar conversation with scum that the scum actually wanted to do what I was asking but needed me to argue with them more to provide them with justification for doing it, and that wasn’t the case here. Plus I did think that their reasoning made sense for “happy with how things are going and will do stuff later if it’s wrong” even while that’s not an actually good plan, I can see the logic if dwlee is feeling lazy

God I wish I had a better memory of how tryhardy they were in Ydrasse’s mini normal when town were getting wrecked

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Actually, I like that idea

VOTE: DotW

This way at least one of me/morning is still around to discuss who skitt’s partner is if it’s not DotW

This is a dumb plan if you actually think skitt is scum

Why do you think this?

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Also, morning, while I’m basically good with the pools you made why is peta in there? You think peta could conceivably be scum here or qué pasa?

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i still maintain this is the first example of going quite this far

Something not having occurred in the past doesn’t mean it’s not happening now, especially when it’s not a totally unprecedented new thing but is more a development/exaggeration of similar play in the past

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@morning @peta how much stock should we be putting into titanic’s ydra TR do you think?

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Day is tricky bc it’s hard to know if we’re dealing with scum feeling like game is lost and not trying to do anything because they’re demotivated or if we’re dealing with a situation where DotW and dwlee were mislim bait that scum just didn’t want to rock the boat on and wanted to follow the popular opinion, get those lims, and try to win in 3p

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Yah I’m kinda circling to titanic if DotW and dwlee were bait all along, plus I think he’d feel sort of obliged to TR ydrasse if she’s town bc if he SR her then given his insane read rate thing on her she’d probably be calling him scum for *him specifically* SRing her here

Same thing as me thinking skitt was scum because she was calling me scum D2 when if town i think she’d absolutely have been reading me correctly there

So actually titanic’s TR there maybe might be true but might still be a motivated read? Also he’s not really... done much recently other than five that read and offer “will do tuff later” while having decent tone, but again, tone for either of those two is a useless metric

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im so tired (like irl not of this game)

*flops ears*

Hope you get some rest

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I also really need ta vera to turn up

You’re townreading her too right? I sorta get paranoid when someone isn’t around but could you run me through what you liked about her?

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Or maybe it’s best to wait until after she turns up to do that so she can’t try to manipulate you into TRing her more by trying to imitate the reasons you give for TRing her while she’s catching up

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Ahh my train is about to get in rip

Such brief encounters always

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Dragons, when was the last time you were playing regularly?

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God I wish I had a better memory of how tryhardy they were in Ydrasse’s mini normal when town were getting wrecked

Do not mention that cursed game tyvm

Now what would have made that game easier? Oh yeh, limming the scum that repeatedly quickhammered people >.>

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Morning is doing such good posting, it calms the soul

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God of all the people who had to be mechanically confirmed why did it have to be the ONE person who is radiating more towniness than anyone else

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Oh wait there’s a potential problem here

gypyx, are scum multitasking?

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Mena checks within here -->

petapan
ta vera
Dragon of the West

I check within here -->

Ydrasse
Dwlee99
Titanic

?

I wanna suggest the following:

Mena checks in:

Dwlee
Dragon of the West
Peta

Morning checks in:

Titanic
Dwlee
Ydrasse

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My logic is thus: scum almost certainly know my PR and it’s stronger than morning’s. Therefore, we should put the scummier people in her pool to incentivise them to kill her and not me, which then further implies that the scum is likely in that pool (they were worried that she got guiltied). If they kill me it’s more likely bc they’re worried about me clearing someone, and Morning should get a clear

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Hi ydra

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Do you think titanic would be more or less forced to TR you regardless of alignment or no?

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+ do you townread him for anything other than him townreading you?

Also what is your read rate on him like recently when you’ve been town and he’s been scum

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Why am I in both pools? @mena

Dammit hang on

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Mena checks in:
Dwlee
Dragon of the West
Peta

Morning checks in:
Titanic
Ta vera
Ydrasse

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his posts are classic hectic townthoughts so i townread

What makes them this

Also given his read rate on you do you... think you wouldn’t be calling him scum if he was saying “no, ydra totally does this as scum, we should probably lim her?”

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Also like

How do you know they’re townthoughts if you don’t have recent practical experience of distinguishing between his scumthoughts and his townthoughts ?

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also i’m going to give you the response everyone hates of “i’ve played a lot with him when he’s town and know when it’s a towny through process from him”

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also i’m going to give you the response everyone hates of “i’ve played a lot with him when he’s town and know when it’s a towny through process from him”

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well well well, look what the cat pics dragged in

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it depends on how he approached it

Okay so

This is not a very helpful answer

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He does indeed

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You two do realise that in any world that you are both town it’s entirely useless to the rest of us for you to both be sitting there going “yeah I think he/she is town” when neither of you has done anything to make us trust either of you outside of that and that it looks a lot like one of you could be pocketing the other from the outside

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Especially now that dwlee and maybe even DotW have started doing at least SOMEWHAT town-like things

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Skitter is obviously flipping scum

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Define “hardbussing” for me there

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You do get minor points for voting her prior to her being guiltied, however you lose them again almost immediately for probably knowing that she was guiltied by morning due to being informed of setup

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In other words: you knew what aristeia was (probably), you knew what I was (probably) and you knew what tweetie was (probably)

If you knew that anyone one of us would guilty skitt with a result on her and that she’d been visited had been revealed in scum pt, why would you not enter the day hardbussing? What other option does scum!you have to try and endgame but to get out ahead of the townwagon that was almost inevitably coming?

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Sort of think skitter maybe lied about being the N1 target for aristeia

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Did Morning not claim loud?

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I thought Morning claimed loud

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Sadly I think the bat is sleeping and i cbf to dig through her posts

Okay who’s scum then?

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I could see skitter/T3 for the way skitter talked about him, maybe

VOTE: skitter

Yep, occam's razor skitts

She knew Pooky was loud neapolitan from night 1, Pooky died night 2
ta vera picks up on Pooky crumbing about skitter, skitter is forced to claim informed and that Pooky visited her
She should've claimed informed info day 1
Morning detects motion at her house

Lock it in

Let's wrap this skiiter up and then I'll start hunting for the final scummazer tomorrow

This is, as far as I can tell, the totality of your posts re: skitts and her being scummy

Only two are from before the mech guilty came out

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I have to go dropping off paperwork with social security maybe on tonight

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I think I already said this is like the busiest week of the year for me so I’d like to hear more from ta vera before hammer happens (which also means, again, unvoting please)

I’d also like MT to confirm she’s happy with the pools I suggested for our PRs

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I feel like peta’s level of aggression is not AI

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I'll wait for MT to confirm your pools but I'm not waiting past tonight to vote/hammer barring anything wildly informative happening. I'll be away from my phone and computer for about the next 10 hours but when I get back my vote is going on

Not sure if it’s because I’m really high but this sounds very town rn

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Also I wanted to see day out longer because I did just wanna check peta one more time

I think he’s still very very probably town but I wanted to just... check my work once more there too. Probably it’s paranoia but he should be at a min examined tomo

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Oh peta

Oh buddy

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This is kind of an

Oof moment for you huh?

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Are you going to fight or would you like to concede?

VOTE: peta

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(I have a hard guilty, we can yeet in either order, but the game ends if we do it this way round)

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This is kind of an

Oof moment for you huh?

Sorry, didn’t mean to be a dick with this, but just sort of confused by why you didn’t kill me instead of Morning when you know I was checking in your group and knew I was the loud follower vs her being the motion detector, therefore meaning my guilties would be harder than hers

I was genuinely surprised to wake up, I thought for sure this was gonna be a game of “get to the right answer and die that night”

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I gotta say I think the setup was p heavily townsided tho

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I guess it’s ironic that if I had managed to catch up during the day and actually voiced suspicion of peta then I might have died last night in which case we’d be losing prob? Idk

Peta needed lims on 3 people, he knew titanic was prob getting checked last night so I guess he would have gone ta vera/dwlee -> kill me -> other of ta vera dwlee -> the check (prob titanic) NK -> 3p of peta/ydrasse/dwlee where they’re both prob viable mislims by then

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Wait I’m missing dragons there

Hmmmm

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this game was so easy. i didn't have to do much at all.

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I mean true, but the fact that scum were guiltied twice at night and had at most 1PR is a testament to why this was so townsided

I really think balance should be thought of as “everything town has, scum have a counter to if played correctly” and here they just... really didn’t? Like yes, icon going down hurt as did me not being mislimmable partly due to PR, but skitter might have been able to dig her way out if she’d had ninja or something or if they’d had a 1s rb to use last night maybe

Like there was almost no punishment from most of town power being revealed by mid-D2 and that’s a design flaw imo, although we obviously all know by this point that i think the NRG’s concept of balance is wildly divorced from reality

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Also, I’ve decided that I think I’ve earned the hammer here

UNVOTE:

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Also this(!!!) is why it was important to actually play yesterday and not just speedlim skitt! Without dwlee and dragons having to post I don’t think there was any chance of me getting to a space where I was willing to check peta over either of them, but as that day played out I felt better about both of them and less good about peta

To the point that once I reread him at night I realised my TR wasn’t founded in anything solid. Like I loved his opening post but he admitted it was pre-written and therefore NAI. The icon vote wasn’t a hard push, just a good vote and the wagon kind of sprung up after so he couldn’t really unvote if scum. Then I remembered how much I’d hated how he played around me when aristeia was calling me scummy. And I’d originally TR his support of me on D2, but when I started asking the question of “how is this any different to what scum would do if trying to pocket me and why is he not more paranoid of me being scum like other town players (eg morning) were even after I claimed?” added to the defence of dragons as town when I thought he was suuuuper scummy, and then I figured that was likely an attempt to preserve a good mislim slot for later or to get towncred if a green check on dragons came up

Idk how much of this is right, but I’m curious to hear once peta does turn up

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Merci

VOTE: peta

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there were zero counterplays available to us at night

ZERO

Yah I’m really sorry the balance was fucked as per

I feel kinda bad about winning this, I wish they would sort the balance so that winning a mininormal doesn’t feel like a semi-foregone conclusion

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Loyal visitor was a great claim fwiw imo, made perfect sense as a town negative EV role (fucking with motion detector) while being weak enough that it being not verifiable it still seems to fit

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defense of dotw wasn't tactical but the rest is more or less correct - i felt i realistically would've townread his response to you there

This is fair, I just sorta felt like you got there too early/easily, so maybe it’s a partly caught-for-the-wrong-reasons thing

Although encouraging to hear I was thinking along the right lines with most of the rest

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Mmm okay, I’m sympathetic to that

It’s unlucky that skitt wasn’t online any of the times she was at e-1, I think this game maybe does end differently if she gets off a self-hammer and I check in dwlee/DotW and then you kill me the next day while I’m still focussed on titanic/ydrasse

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I'll wait for MT to confirm your pools but I'm not waiting past tonight to vote/hammer barring anything wildly informative happening. I'll be away from my phone and computer for about the next 10 hours but when I get back my vote is going on

Not sure if it’s because I’m really high but this sounds very town rn

^i think this is the post that meant you should have killed me tbh

Up until this i was leaning checking dragons still, but this hit me as towny enough to actually make myself look at you during the night

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When did you realise I was the follower btw? On D2 or only after aristeia was dead?

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Yeah, I think the other unfortunate thing is that if you and skitt had swapped who made the kill which night she quite likely survives and we yeet ydrasse instead

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That night*

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knowing that those roles existed was of almost no benefit to us because we couldn't do almost anything about them.

This is the glaring problem in a nutshell

Honestly nothing will change until the NRG accept that actual win rates as a proxy for balance is a terrible, terrible, terrible, immensely flawed idea that obviously does not work and that they need to account for subjective experience of games (but they won’t do that because ~numbers~ and ~data~) (I like most-to-all of the NRG group individually, but as a group they are destroying any enjoyment to be had from normals)

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When did you realise I was the follower btw? On D2 or only after aristeia was dead?

i pieced it together the moment you talked about who your targets were, those weren't the checks a neap would make, eventually aristeia made it obvious she had a soft guilty on skitter

Yeah, I think the other unfortunate thing is that if you and skitt had swapped who made the kill which night she quite likely survives and we yeet ydrasse instead

eh, not sure, i think aristeia dying was always going to be a flashing red sign pointing back to skitter. we should've engineered a better claim but

Oh uh, yeah, good point lol — wasn’t thinking of that part of how to figure out my role lol. I was more trying to think of who to target who wouldn’t die who could confirm me (that was why I hit MT, I was thinking *you* were likely to die (lol) but that MT would be a good person to have back me up and definitely wasn’t scum)

I actually totally missed the soft guilty on skitt from aristeia lmao, even after she flipped and I checked ISO. It wasn’t clear enough to me

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gg, wp all

Thank you for modding, gypyx!

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I still think scum need some sort of answer, maybe a 2s RB or a JOAT 1s rb/1s rc

Just something that allows them to hard counter town power / to identify it faster

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was a pleasure modding one of the quickest 13p normals i ever saw btw lol

guess you need to give ydrasse a specific thank you call out

That said

Ydra

Pls don’t do that again

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I actually totally missed the soft guilty on skitt from aristeia lmao, even after she flipped and I checked ISO. It wasn’t clear enough to me

right, you missed it but i think ta vera/titanic seized on it immediately, there was no chance that the entire town missed it

Fair point, may have been thinking too much just from my own pov

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That said I think you could have maybe marginalised titanic/ta vera enough for it to not be a meaningful threat or at least to survive one day?

I do wanna see why skitt decided the best option was pushing me tho, I think she should have gone for a pocket tbh and steered me towards titanic/ydrasse

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y'all are welcome for the carry

>.>

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Oh that’s totally fair, okay

I was just curious about that along with other things like (1) Aristeia’s D1 “mena scum” thing(???) and (2) datisi roleblocking me N1(????) and (3) ydrasse deciding to QUICKHAMMER T3

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@gygpx maybe like 1s ninja/1s rb(or alien if you think it’s overplayed? Or rolestopper to use on a member of the team or something)

As always tho, I think the problem is that even if *you* come up with a perfectly balanced setup then by the time it gets through NRG it will be too townsided

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DATISI WHY DID YOU ROLEBLOCK ME

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Oh uh

Thank you lol

Ninja’d

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Complete setup knowledge is good in terms of planning and needs *less* hard counter than if scum have to figure out the setup (limited shots instead of full roles) but I think still needs some to avoid them just, potentially getting rinsed in one night of good actions/to allow greater punishment of early TPR claims

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So datisi, what we’re really saying is we can blame everything on aristeia for tilting me out of my mind before I got a chance to read your case? :3

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(I am sort of mostly joking but still would like to try to engage in a constructive way about that because I like, still am very confused by why aristeia thought that was a good idea or if it was a sincere read on me like... I just still don’t get it? And I would like it explained a bit more please?)

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This was A Game, i suppose

*hugs*

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It was also partly pure ego frustration of thinking ico sounded scummy in the first couple of pages but not getting to get any credit for that because of having been at work all day while he went up in flames

That’s pure ego and entirely on me, and something I am continuing to work on

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Oh, really? I was thinking town!you was one of the only people here who I could count on to read me correctly in spite of D1 with another hero-read (like in that other... was it also a mini normal? idr)

But okay, I get the way you were approaching it overall more now given the knowledge of the guilty

I wouldn’t disagree that I was still maybe viable, and I guess if you figured you were guilty it hurt a lot less for me to think you’re scum than it might have done if you’d been planning on being in lylo

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This right after tarot was a lot, kinda makes me wonder id i can really keep up anymore
Got implicated for missing a <8hour day1 twice in a row now >.>

I didn’t hammer precisely because I wanted to give you a chance to get here and weigh in regardless of alignment

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Yeah, uh, sorry about that to everyone

I also don’t really like playing with me when I’m like that. Something I’m getting better at but still working on, and I think it gets worse the longer I go without breaks, which is something I need to be more cognisant of

Hopefully after a long break I’ll get better at spotting when it’s at risk of emerging and manage to take a break from games before that line gets crossed

Sorry to anyone else it made the game worse for

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hi mastina, i do not think this game was well-balanced