[MT2225] Chrono Trigger Chronicles - The Rise/Fall of Yakra

[Titus]

If we also want mastina's thoughts, we need to slow down posting rate by a lot.

[Dwlee99]

Pretty sure Vig just chooses between me and AW tonight. I'll claim once T3 has been settled.

um no. vig goes between dwlee and Titus. if really wanted, we can be put into the pool.

but you are town spewed by Robert.

-nornor

Why should I be in the vig shot pool after pushing Cyrus to the point he just claimed scum? I didn't believe his claim at all, was on board with the guilty on Guillotina yesterday, and pushed him with the MP stuff that lead to him claiming to be an insane cop.

[Angel Warriors]

umm I read that as lukewarm doing it but I also skimmed. I'll take a look.

[Lukewarm]

umm I read that as lukewarm doing it but I also skimmed. I'll take a look.

I would say that me and dwlee tag teamed it

[Angel Warriors]

ok so then its just Titus or t3 then?

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler: Me on Cyrus

I was town reading reading Guillo, but the gaspard claim from cyrus is not good and also the gamma stuff looks bad.

VOTE: cyrus

Why would you only have 1 result?

inch at look soon over am world top hint east year at rock east time open west never at shop would every lamp lump.

i also aw they are town as well

Can we policy cyrus for making me do this over and over

Putting a bulletproof on a cop seems like too much power, but should resolve itself given some time anyways

How, exactly?

How is it too powerful, or how should it resolve itself?

It is too powerful because protect the cop is strong even when a doc does not know for sure who the cop is.

A self protecting cop is strong. Doubly so, because it really looks like we have a doc, because I don't see the scum team shooting Guillo night 1 given his accidental hammer, so much more likely that the doc saved you night 1.

If we do have a doc + a bp cop, that cop will get way too many results no matter what the scum team does. Like, even if they play it perfectly and shoot the doc night 1, shoot the Cop night 2, and then shoot the cop again night 3, that is a guaranteed 2 results from the cop

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It will resolve itself, because the scum team can never leave a cop alive for through to Elo, that is a loss.

So, either, he is resolved by the scum team OR, if he is alive the day before elo, we kill him and if he flips scum, it is resolved. If he flips town, his results should win the game

I actually doubt that a cop cyrus doesn't investigate me last night.

In our only game together I had a pretty flawless scum game, and this is even what he said about it this day phase

btw i nominate lw for scummy of the year very good scum player he is.

Ps even if I hit a pr I will still say town. Scum will never know.

Wait. What do you mean, even if you hit a PR? A town PR and a town VT would come up the same to a cop

Are you actually a rolecop?

I am still not following.

But scum!rolecop would make the house+AW checks make more sense imo

I am still not following.

But scum!rolecop would make the house+AW checks make more sense imo

While that's true, scum could claim to check anyone they want.

This isn't multiball.

Yes, but claiming your real targets is safer incase of like a tracker / watcher.

Why risk lying about your targets, when you can just lie about why you targetted them?

only 1 has a chance of being disproven

yes lots of mp that last until Cyrus dies.

It seems my role centers around t3 as well.

T3 is not longer claiming to by Cyrus. Are you saying that your role pm explicitly says that the character cyrus is in the game?

And then T3 fake claimed cyrus? And no one counter claimed? And now T3 has stopped claiming cyrus?

@Cyrus

I would like firm confirmation, yes or no, does your role pm explicitly mention the character cyrus existing in the game?

now im upset this game stole my name . the funny thing if i had got cyrus i could say im cyrus but then i could see a whole whos on 1st game.

I was counter climeing t3 every time until Cyrus dies. I am Cyrus I faked flavor clime so t3 wouldn't know.

So you are not gaspar?

VOTE: cyrus

Yes vote off your cop Luke good idea.

You claimed insane cop. you have no utility.

Even if you are bullet proof, the scum team will never kill you now.

And you have lied/changed enough about your role that I will never believe anything else you say this game, and you can never be left until elo.

I am Cyrus I faked flavor clime so t3 wouldn't know.

This is a provable lie. Cyrus flavor claimed gaspar before t3 flavor claimed cyrus

All joking aside I'm gaspar

VOTE: t3 your turn .

Funnily enough, I m cyrus. In effect my role is a 1-shot rolecop and I am informed of a player with flavorname Frog. When I die I will instead turn into a treestump who will be able to post for 1 day cycle, and then I truly die.

If cyrus changed his flavor claim because of t3's, then that means that cyrus knew t3's flavor claim before it ever hit the thread.

Can we kill cyrus now, and then all lock town me because this is the second scum I have hard accused of lying, and then they broke the facade and scum claimed

Spoiler: Dwlee on Cyrus

VOTE: Cyrus

Did you miss where Gamma super implied a guilty on Cyrus?

I was townreading guillo as well but if that isn't a soft for a guilty then I don't know what is. Cyrus should full claim.

Cyrus when I said full claim I meant you should claim what your role does, not just the flavor.

AW is town. I believe that they legit bought the claim.

If Guillo isn't Frog, I'd yeet Cyrus from here to eternity because he "never bought the claim", which Robert later echoed about his team and is likely another slip.

Cyrus claimed to me something that isn't frog already, didn't he?

Also, fucking hell, who puts in a cop when the town has 3 confirmed people on flavor, and apparently there is a protective role, a public vigilante shot, things for more vigilante shots, etc. in the game AND gamma was basically claiming a guilty on Guillotina.

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Shit I mis read my role pm. It saids my sanity is to be questioned what does this mean?

How many shots so you have? How many times can you use your role?

Cyrus do you have mana

MP that lasts until Cyrus dies?

Who is Cyrus?

yes lots of mp that last until Cyrus dies.

It seems my role centers around t3 as well.

T3 is not longer claiming to by Cyrus. Are you saying that your role pm explicitly says that the character cyrus is in the game?

And then T3 fake claimed cyrus? And no one counter claimed? And now T3 has stopped claiming cyrus?

Lol this is also what I was thinking

[Roden]

The problem I have is that I don't think it's AW due to wanting RMH out since Day 1, and I'd be shocked if Luke bussed both of his scum buddies like this. Dwlee hard pushed Guillo/Cyrus along with Mara. House and Mastina are hard cleared due to flavor knowledge, though I guess it's possible Mastina just wasn't around to help her scum buddies come up with better fake flavor claims. Titus isn't scum due to competence and I think House brought up another point before as well. And if T3 doesn't get CC'd then he is confirmed town.

I think if it isn't T3 then we likely have a deep wolf. And I have a bad feeling T3 isn't scum because Guillo tried to convince everyone that T3 scum claimed after already going through scum theatre with RMH.

[Dwlee99]

T3 isn't scum unless someone counter claims here.

[Lukewarm]

Titus isn't scum due to competence and I think House brought up another point before as well. And if T3 doesn't get CC'd then he is confirmed town.

I don't know how strong of a reason this is. The "competence" that you first applied to Mastina was specifically flavor knowledge. Titus has not given us any indication that she is knowledgeable of the flavor.

But again, if T3 really is the town PR Chrono, I will scream and may need to have some words with him post game

[Titus]

Titus has not given us any indication that she is knowledgeable of the flavor.

I have no flavor knowledge.

[Titus]

I'd be shocked if Luke bussed both of his scum buddies like this.

What evidence do you have Luke bussed RMH? My vote analysis shows the opposite.

[Roden]

With Titus' competence I mean that she would never let her scum buddies dunk themselves as badly as they did, least of all without getting any kind of bus credit for it. I do agree my reasoning is weak though and that she could still be scum, it's just unlikely. She should be a part of the elim pool like AW suggested.

[Titus]

With Titus' competence I mean that she would never let her scum buddies dunk themselves as badly as they did, least of all without getting any kind of bus credit for it. I do agree my reasoning is weak though and that she could still be scum, it's just unlikely. She should be a part of the elim pool like AW suggested.

I'd like to look at the data again but I may not be able to until night phase. I'm not VLA but I don't have time to do the VCA that I'd want. NKA too.

[Roden]

I'd be shocked if Luke bussed both of his scum buddies like this.

What evidence do you have Luke bussed RMH? My vote analysis shows the opposite.

RMH reached out to Luke for a Neighbor vouch and Luke denied it, confirming RMH as scum. I suppose he could've seen RMH as a lost cause, but they could've tried planning something credible to save him at the very least.

[Angel Warriors]

With Titus' competence I mean that she would never let her scum buddies dunk themselves as badly as they did, least of all without getting any kind of bus credit for it. I do agree my reasoning is weak though and that she could still be scum, it's just unlikely. She should be a part of the elim pool like AW suggested.

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
last time momma bear was scum with me, she died days before I did >.<
heh

I think her scum game is alr but I dont really buy that she could reign in guillo and Robert

another thing, t3 said he has a really good read rate on Cyrus. how come he read him as town here?

-nornornonronro

[Dwlee99]

Because t3 is heavily reliant on meta.

[Roden]

Fair point about Titus tbh.

Though to be fair about T3, you also hard town read the same slot T3 did, AW.

[Angel Warriors]

Fair point about Titus tbh.

Though to be fair about T3, you also hard town read the same slot T3 did, AW.

fine. that's true. but I didn't TR Cyrus. only guillo. guillo is a bit different from Cyrus.

-Hathy

[Roden]

Hello. There are 7 new pages

Hello. There are 7 new pages

Robert claimed to be in a neighbourhood with you, so I would very much like for you to read them.

I'm Melchior and my neighbor is Lukewarm.

Oh. lmao

VOTE: RMH

I'm Melchior and my neighbor is Lukewarm.

Oh. lmao

VOTE: RMH

WTH

VOTE: Lukewarm

1 vs. 1

The only possible case I could make about Luke at this point is that this looked odd to me at the time and still does. Luke's posts kinda sound fake and RMH's reaction could be scum theatre.

Luke acts like he's just finding out about RMH's Neighbor claim in post 1545 when Mara already told him about it in post 1537. Luke was live reacting in his catch up posts, so he 100% should have seen Mara's post in a preview edit. Mara was also the only one who posted in that time, so it's not like the PE would've been cluttered with posts, and I doubt that Luke wouldn't bother to read a single one sentence post.

What stands out to me even more is that Luke was announcing his arrival

just

as we needed him to start talking. It just seems really convenient.

If Luke is scum, it would explain why RMH tried to 1v1 Luke, and why he was so flaccid when it came to actually defending himself and attacking Luke. Like, why 1v1 and then not even bother to actually fight? Unless the entire point was that it was all just scum theatre all along in order to give Luke town cred.

[Titus]

ISO Lukewarm and the Mod. Lukewarm largely pushes counters without mentioning RMH.

[Titus]

It's not until the "slip" that he votes.

[Titus]

They could have stalled on the slip to decide if they wanted to try and save RMH after that "slip".

[Lukewarm]

Titus, who is your top suspect right now?

[Titus]

You.

[Lukewarm]

So, you think that all of this was a partner interaction?

Spoiler: Me on Cyrus

I was town reading reading Guillo, but the gaspard claim from cyrus is not good and also the gamma stuff looks bad.

VOTE: cyrus

Why would you only have 1 result?

inch at look soon over am world top hint east year at rock east time open west never at shop would every lamp lump.

i also aw they are town as well

Can we policy cyrus for making me do this over and over

Putting a bulletproof on a cop seems like too much power, but should resolve itself given some time anyways

How, exactly?

How is it too powerful, or how should it resolve itself?

It is too powerful because protect the cop is strong even when a doc does not know for sure who the cop is.

A self protecting cop is strong. Doubly so, because it really looks like we have a doc, because I don't see the scum team shooting Guillo night 1 given his accidental hammer, so much more likely that the doc saved you night 1.

If we do have a doc + a bp cop, that cop will get way too many results no matter what the scum team does. Like, even if they play it perfectly and shoot the doc night 1, shoot the Cop night 2, and then shoot the cop again night 3, that is a guaranteed 2 results from the cop

---

It will resolve itself, because the scum team can never leave a cop alive for through to Elo, that is a loss.

So, either, he is resolved by the scum team OR, if he is alive the day before elo, we kill him and if he flips scum, it is resolved. If he flips town, his results should win the game

I actually doubt that a cop cyrus doesn't investigate me last night.

In our only game together I had a pretty flawless scum game, and this is even what he said about it this day phase

btw i nominate lw for scummy of the year very good scum player he is.

Ps even if I hit a pr I will still say town. Scum will never know.

Wait. What do you mean, even if you hit a PR? A town PR and a town VT would come up the same to a cop

Are you actually a rolecop?

I am still not following.

But scum!rolecop would make the house+AW checks make more sense imo

I am still not following.

But scum!rolecop would make the house+AW checks make more sense imo

While that's true, scum could claim to check anyone they want.

This isn't multiball.

Yes, but claiming your real targets is safer incase of like a tracker / watcher.

Why risk lying about your targets, when you can just lie about why you targetted them?

only 1 has a chance of being disproven

yes lots of mp that last until Cyrus dies.

It seems my role centers around t3 as well.

T3 is not longer claiming to by Cyrus. Are you saying that your role pm explicitly says that the character cyrus is in the game?

And then T3 fake claimed cyrus? And no one counter claimed? And now T3 has stopped claiming cyrus?

@Cyrus

I would like firm confirmation, yes or no, does your role pm explicitly mention the character cyrus existing in the game?

now im upset this game stole my name . the funny thing if i had got cyrus i could say im cyrus but then i could see a whole whos on 1st game.

I was counter climeing t3 every time until Cyrus dies. I am Cyrus I faked flavor clime so t3 wouldn't know.

So you are not gaspar?

VOTE: cyrus

Yes vote off your cop Luke good idea.

You claimed insane cop. you have no utility.

Even if you are bullet proof, the scum team will never kill you now.

And you have lied/changed enough about your role that I will never believe anything else you say this game, and you can never be left until elo.

I am Cyrus I faked flavor clime so t3 wouldn't know.

This is a provable lie. Cyrus flavor claimed gaspar before t3 flavor claimed cyrus

All joking aside I'm gaspar

VOTE: t3 your turn .

Funnily enough, I m cyrus. In effect my role is a 1-shot rolecop and I am informed of a player with flavorname Frog. When I die I will instead turn into a treestump who will be able to post for 1 day cycle, and then I truly die.

If cyrus changed his flavor claim because of t3's, then that means that cyrus knew t3's flavor claim before it ever hit the thread.

Can we kill cyrus now, and then all lock town me because this is the second scum I have hard accused of lying, and then they broke the facade and scum claimed

Spoiler: Dwlee on Cyrus

VOTE: Cyrus

Did you miss where Gamma super implied a guilty on Cyrus?

I was townreading guillo as well but if that isn't a soft for a guilty then I don't know what is. Cyrus should full claim.

Cyrus when I said full claim I meant you should claim what your role does, not just the flavor.

AW is town. I believe that they legit bought the claim.

If Guillo isn't Frog, I'd yeet Cyrus from here to eternity because he "never bought the claim", which Robert later echoed about his team and is likely another slip.

Cyrus claimed to me something that isn't frog already, didn't he?

Also, fucking hell, who puts in a cop when the town has 3 confirmed people on flavor, and apparently there is a protective role, a public vigilante shot, things for more vigilante shots, etc. in the game AND gamma was basically claiming a guilty on Guillotina.

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Cyrus, how many shots do you have?

Shit I mis read my role pm. It saids my sanity is to be questioned what does this mean?

How many shots so you have? How many times can you use your role?

Cyrus do you have mana

MP that lasts until Cyrus dies?

Who is Cyrus?

yes lots of mp that last until Cyrus dies.

It seems my role centers around t3 as well.

T3 is not longer claiming to by Cyrus. Are you saying that your role pm explicitly says that the character cyrus is in the game?

And then T3 fake claimed cyrus? And no one counter claimed? And now T3 has stopped claiming cyrus?

Lol this is also what I was thinking