White flag #824 game over

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: northsidegal
I don’t feel entirely comfortable with this thunderdome idea so I’m going back here (plus she still needs to answer my question)

[Dwlee99]

{infinity, datisi} -

No one has pushed them that I recall

{klick} -

Hardly pushed

{goats, pooky, gamma, guilty} -

been pushed/shaded moderately

{implosion, NM} - null -

implosion has been pushed more than the above. NM kind of sticks out here

{MURDERCAT, dwlee, flea} -

Me and MC have been pushed a lot and flea is not posting much.

[northsidegal]

oh, missed this.

Yeah tbh the thoughts expressed in the catch-up don’t make sense with where I’m placed either, all I remember was calling my post @ goats a towntell

@nsg

as a general question, why are you paranoid of me/implo/GL/goats? Tbh I think implo should be obvtown to you because the one scumgame I remember from him was a game you modded and that was night-and-day from here (and in a recent completed game implo has asserted that his scum play still needs work, to paraphrase)

you i can't read. i wouldn't say i'm "paranoid" of you

specifically

, moreso just the idea of townreading you before really getting a ton of evidence. you were posting a lot towards the beginning of the game but around where i am at in my catchup you've sort of fallen off in posting (at least from memory), so i'm reticent to put you higher.

don't remember what game you're talking about with implosion being scum, and either way i don't have a very good model one way or the other of his play.

i think that people had some decent arguments regarding GL's reaction to goats' push, specifically what he said about an early vote and whether or not it makes people less likely to be aligned. i think that his response was pretty well reasoned but even still i have too much respect for his scumgame to put him as a top townread just because we tended to have the same thoughts on things.

goats i actually would put higher if i were remaking that list right now. think i had some alt paranoia that i don't think is warranted.

[northsidegal]

{infinity, datisi} -

No one has pushed them that I recall

{klick} -

Hardly pushed

{goats, pooky, gamma, guilty} -

been pushed/shaded moderately

{implosion, NM} - null -

implosion has been pushed more than the above. NM kind of sticks out here

{MURDERCAT, dwlee, flea} -

Me and MC have been pushed a lot and flea is not posting much.

what's your point?

[northsidegal]

also, curious to hear your thoughts on seemingly scumreading both me and murdercat. any thoughts on our interactions so far?

[Dwlee99]

That your reads are very consensusy relative to how hard people have been pushed which is a very easy position to put yourself in if you're scum. As for you and MC... Idk, there aren't a ton of not!partner interactions between you and MC and MC's thunderdoming is kind of giving me cold feet because I don't know why scum!MC picks a fight I think he knows he loses there.

[northsidegal]

What I’m saying is I don’t TR Flea but I also don’t see how some people are as confident in fae being scum as they are

oh, and just to be clear, in case any part of this was directed at me – my readslists are purely relative. that whole cohort being at the bottom doesn't mean that i have super confident kill now scumreads on them, it just means that they're at the bottom relative to the rest of the playerlist. and that's basically exactly how i would describe my read on flea.

[northsidegal]

That your reads are very consensusy relative to how hard people have been pushed which is a very easy position to put yourself in if you're scum. As for you and MC... Idk, there aren't a ton of not!partner interactions between you and MC and MC's thunderdoming is kind of giving me cold feet because I don't know why scum!MC picks a fight I think he knows he loses there.

do you think that it's plausible that there's a relationship between the fact that some people haven't been pushed in a game and someone finding it easy to townread those people? doesn't it seem like the common thread connecting those two things is those players playing in a towny manner?

to be clear, no part of my read on anyone is based on how much or whether or not they've been pushed, this just seems like something of a silly accusation when you really unravel it. like you're starting at the position of me being scum and then coming up with a narrative to explain it.

[Dwlee99]

Well sure, there is a relation, but that your reads list conforms to it very closely is extremely strange if you're not just going along with thread vibes.

[Gamma Emerald]

oh, missed this.

Yeah tbh the thoughts expressed in the catch-up don’t make sense with where I’m placed either, all I remember was calling my post @ goats a towntell

@nsg

as a general question, why are you paranoid of me/implo/GL/goats? Tbh I think implo should be obvtown to you because the one scumgame I remember from him was a game you modded and that was night-and-day from here (and in a recent completed game implo has asserted that his scum play still needs work, to paraphrase)

you i can't read. i wouldn't say i'm "paranoid" of you

specifically

, moreso just the idea of townreading you before really getting a ton of evidence. you were posting a lot towards the beginning of the game but around where i am at in my catchup you've sort of fallen off in posting (at least from memory), so i'm reticent to put you higher.

don't remember what game you're talking about with implosion being scum, and either way i don't have a very good model one way or the other of his play.

i think that people had some decent arguments regarding GL's reaction to goats' push, specifically what he said about an early vote and whether or not it makes people less likely to be aligned. i think that his response was pretty well reasoned but even still i have too much respect for his scumgame to put him as a top townread just because we tended to have the same thoughts on things.

goats i actually would put higher if i were remaking that list right now. think i had some alt paranoia that i don't think is warranted.

Okay
I don’t feel like I’m processing this fully rn, prolly gonna hop on PC and look over again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like why would town!you even be indifferent between you/dwlee which one gets elimmed

I didn't say I was indifferent to who got limmed

this is the stuff that scum pooky does by the way

Like this is scum pooky trying to make someone look bad by twisting words, not town pooky genuinely trying to sort me or even get town to agree I'm scum.

I'm not twisting your words, its literally what you said.

"Vote me or vote dwlee"

lol

[Gamma Emerald]

But acknowledged to you still catching up

[MURDERCAT]

You've never seen Titus ask for wagons between two players without the immediate intention of limming one of them? I know you aren't this dense.

[Gamma Emerald]

You've never seen Titus ask for wagons between two players without the immediate intention of limming one of them? I know you aren't this dense.

Doesn’t she not normally involve herself in the 1v1?

[MURDERCAT]

Do I really have to argue that forcing people to commit between Dwlee and myself is protown in the case one of us ever flips?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel like either of you are scum rn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Do I really have to argue that forcing people to commit between Dwlee and myself is protown in the case one of us ever flips?

because?

[Gamma Emerald]

Happy scum day Pooky!

[northsidegal]

Do I really have to argue that forcing people to commit between Dwlee and myself is protown in the case one of us ever flips?

i'm not sure anyone really disagrees with this. for me, though, the way you've gone about this just seems a little strange. isn't just focusing all your energy on saying dwlee is scum and you're town still accomplishing the goal of forcing people to commit, though? in other words, what is there to be gained from including yourself as an option in the framing? assuming that you believe that dwlee is scum, isn't it more beneficial to just focus on getting his flip before yours rather than trying to create as much "information" as possible in the event that you die? even if you did die, presumably we would still be able to see that a relationship existed even without you explicitly framing it as "pick me or him".

[MURDERCAT]

i'm not sure anyone really disagrees with this.

except scum pooky I guess

I don't really see the point in arguing whether my particular approach is good or not unless you think it's scum indicative, which it isn't because I have done it before as town.

[northsidegal]

could you link me to that?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thx gamma

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm not sure anyone really disagrees with this.

except scum pooky I guess

I don't really see the point in arguing whether my particular approach is good or not unless you think it's scum indicative, which it isn't because I have done it before as town.

you're the one saying its good

im just asking you why its good?

[MURDERCAT]

could you link me to that?

yeah but it's kind of hard to CTRL-F for so I'll have to look for an example later

[MURDERCAT]

im just asking you why its good

You aren't interested in who doesn't want to vote, FYPOV, scum me?