Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over


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Post Post #4700 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:05 pm

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Spffieh was cleared I thought?

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Post Post #4701 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:06 pm

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We make unwnd or Lukewarm jump on you.

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Post Post #4702 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:06 pm

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His reaction to it is also fine.

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Post Post #4703 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:07 pm

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Well, kinda. Either try to find and kill the corruptor, or try to transfer ceph's ability to manatee?
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Post Post #4704 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:08 pm

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In post 4700, Snarky Fishes wrote:Spffieh was cleared I thought?

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He is for all intents and purposes. He's only scum here if he's the scum-human-corruptor with scum-partner AE, and then since he was Demonized N3 it doesn't make sense for scum play here to give up their corruptor N3 without knowing how things would go. It's another 'if he's scum gg-gonext' scenario to me.

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Post Post #4705 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:09 pm

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I've got that whole crackers thing going on with unwnd, but from your perspective does his play look town today?
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Post Post #4706 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:10 pm

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In post 4703, Snarky Fishes wrote:Well, kinda. Either try to find and kill the corruptor, or try to transfer ceph's ability to manatee?
Yes, although we can try to find and kill general scum today still.

What do you think the odds are that if ML is a backup to Dragons, scum has zero way to interfere with her given claims on the board?

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Post Post #4707 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:10 pm

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In post 4705, Snarky Fishes wrote:I've got that whole crackers thing going on with unwnd, but from your perspective does his play look town today?
Just crackers? For us, it's more like "that fucker is BREATHING how dare he"
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Post Post #4708 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:11 pm

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I think it would be a good idea to eliminate the "well shit, GG" scenarios from our models.

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Post Post #4709 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:11 pm

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We absolutely have to prevent a Tiphaine Death event here.

AA9 seems perpetually behind/confused, and I want assurance from her that she's not going to hammer.

I think everyone else is paying enough attention not to do something highly regrettable.
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Post Post #4710 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:12 pm

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I feel unseen.

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Post Post #4711 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:13 pm

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In post 4706, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 4703, Snarky Fishes wrote:Well, kinda. Either try to find and kill the corruptor, or try to transfer ceph's ability to manatee?
Yes, although we can try to find and kill general scum today still.

What do you think the odds are that if ML is a backup to Dragons, scum has zero way to interfere with her given claims on the board?

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We've seen no evidence of interference after 3 nights, right?

Do you think scum would be holding onto some kind of x-shot?
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Post Post #4712 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:14 pm

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In post 4708, Snarky Fishes wrote:I think it would be a good idea to eliminate the "well shit, GG" scenarios from our models.

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Put up a scenario and lets try to shoot it down?
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Post Post #4713 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:16 pm

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Dun/Medea
Dun/LLD
Pooky/LLD/Medea.

Annie/anyone.

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Post Post #4714 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:17 pm

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Increase efficiency by reducing bandwidth on improbable outcomes.

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Post Post #4715 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 pm

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that sure quietened things.
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Post Post #4716 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:28 pm

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well! were u satisfied w my answer 2 ur question
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Post Post #4717 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:29 pm

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I’ve read it like three times and I’m not following

I’m going to look at it in a few with fresh eyes
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Post Post #4718 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:29 pm

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We pretty much know Dunnstrall and Annie are town and therefore Spiffeh is as well.
Remove those players from the pool.

Other thought worth eliminating is probably what sort of composition we're seeing of the game overall in terms of roles.

Has everyone full claimed? Maybe we can piece together something.

What were the possible outcome for Pooky's role based on what we know the design so far?
The most elegant solution is that Pooky visited to shard Dunnstral's role and then later in the game Dunstral's role coordinated with ours.
....Somehow? It's impossible for them to ever know what we are without saying it and unless they're forced to hammer, they just won't hammer. Town can pretty much only kill them during the day yeah?
So far that looks to be the case. So I'm sitting here and wondering where the elegant solution was now.

Just randomly getting sharded by Dragons?

/:]
They die last.
They hammer us if randed to a bad town or good scum with scum hammering pretty unlikely.
They get desharded.


With AA9 I just don't really understand them anymore. They are out of step. Are we still assuming that every role is buffed by becoming demonified? Has anyone's narrative been counter to this?

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Post Post #4719 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:30 pm

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In post 4713, Snarky Fishes wrote:Pooky/LLD/Medea.
Impossible due to Dunn's claim. We both visited Dunn on night two and therefore NEITHER of us can be the corrupter.
Dun/Medea
Possible, but Dunn knew Rhea's role AND what night she targeted him so would have to be NOT the corrupter, and a self-watcher, and that would make US the corrupter.
Dun/LLD
Technically possible but this team has no incentive to clear me early AND clear spiffeh early today.
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Post Post #4720 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:33 pm

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I feel like all of the forensic accounting ended up pointing to the same exact place I was already. at (which gotta say, does make me feel smart :oops: )

We either go for making manatee the town hero

or we push unwnd to hammer the fishes (well, I said unwnd, you guys said me or unwnd, but we got pretty close to the same place)
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Post Post #4721 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:33 pm

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(Those are obviously from purely mech standpoint, if you think it's us, pippin is a gooder boy than you)
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Post Post #4722 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:34 pm

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Luke.... do you know the saga of THE MUFFIN MAN?
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Post Post #4723 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:34 pm

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In post 4722, Medea the Alien wrote:Luke.... do you know the saga of THE MUFFIN MAN?
The muffin man?
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Post Post #4724 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:34 pm

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In post 4718, Snarky Fishes wrote:We pretty much know Dunnstrall and Annie are town and therefore Spiffeh is as well.
Remove those players from the pool.

Other thought worth eliminating is probably what sort of composition we're seeing of the game overall in terms of roles.

Has everyone full claimed? Maybe we can piece together something.

What were the possible outcome for Pooky's role based on what we know the design so far?
The most elegant solution is that Pooky visited to shard Dunnstral's role and then later in the game Dunstral's role coordinated with ours.
....Somehow? It's impossible for them to ever know what we are without saying it and unless they're forced to hammer, they just won't hammer. Town can pretty much only kill them during the day yeah?
So far that looks to be the case. So I'm sitting here and wondering where the elegant solution was now.

Just randomly getting sharded by Dragons?

/:]
They die last.
They hammer us if randed to a bad town or good scum with scum hammering pretty unlikely.
They get desharded.


With AA9 I just don't really understand them anymore. They are out of step. Are we still assuming that every role is buffed by becoming demonified? Has anyone's narrative been counter to this?

-Bell


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Unless I missed it Rhea hasn't claimed her demonic ability and Luke doesn't want to claim his demonic ability in order to make it harder for scum to decide who to shard.

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