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[Kazyan]

Confirmed Town

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Jolyne (duh)

Townread

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ssbm_Kyouko (Read has not changed: actual attempts to solve the game without trying to cover her butt. Town wants to be right; this is what Kyo is doing)
Andresvmb (actively trying to figure out how this game works)
Nathann (This kind of soft-tunnel on me comes from town, in my experience. If this is scum, it's very patient scum, asking so many probing questions but constantly sitting on a weak scumlean for me.)

Townlean

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geraintm (Read has not changed: I think this guy is just a goober, not flailing scum.)
Ythan (gut read tbh)

Null/Lurky

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Enchant (+town points for that Nixie reaction, but still content-light)
Nixie (tried to guide the conversation somewhere useful instead of letting a not-very-talkative town waste their time, but then vanished)

Scumlean

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Dwlee99 (Dwlee makes a lot of sense, but in an agenda-y way, but Jolyne says town??)
Alice (my read has not changed: stilted, fake-seeming communication style)

Delet this

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DGB (full of contradictions)
GrandpaMo (badposting)

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There are obviously problems in this list, because there are only two scum, but that's what I've got.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

^those are the posts I’m talking about.

its kinda impossible for me to "solve the game" for town if town doesn't act on their own accord/present their own opinions so.

Yes, that's the whole point. The "you're not the Townleader" line annoyed me.

I think in 512 enchant is referring to andres not being the townleader? He says anime but I think that's more likely an autocorrect than it is he's calling Jolyene anime, because there are a few of anime avatars this game

[Ythan]

Where you ask what’s up and just avoid actually speaking about the game or provide any positive contribution at all.

It's not like you want to ask something from me, or so on.

This is some low low low hanging fruit

[Andresvmb]

Oh sorry, if you are town it's not like you catched atleast one mafia yet. Is this count as terrible?

You’re only engaging with negative reads of your slot in a childish way, and not saying much else. Your play is objectively detrimental to the Town. Whether it’s coming from Scum is hard to tell.

And I’ll let my track record speak for itself. I don’t have to defend my play to you.

[Andresvmb]

Andres, I believe 512 is aimed at me, considering the very creative jab at my avatar.

Yeah I realize this now. They also responded that their retort wasn’t aimed at me (though they missed a word) while calling me Scum.

[Jolyne]

I have 4 recent games with dwlee and was a moderator spectating dwlee as scum

I think I have the merit to have confidence in how I read dwlee early on.

[Jolyne]

especially when I walked into this game anonymous and dwlee couldnt know to play around me

[Jolyne]

Where you ask what’s up and just avoid actually speaking about the game or provide any positive contribution at all.

It's not like you want to ask something from me, or so on.

This is some low low low hanging fruit

pruning people who aren't towntelling in any capacity is the best way to build a path to win the game often

[Ythan]

Where you ask what’s up and just avoid actually speaking about the game or provide any positive contribution at all.

It's not like you want to ask something from me, or so on.

This is some low low low hanging fruit

pruning people who aren't towntelling in any capacity is the best way to build a path to win the game often

Oh absolutely. It didn't get any better from that point forward either ftr.

[Enchant]

^those are the posts I’m talking about.

its kinda impossible for me to "solve the game" for town if town doesn't act on their own accord/present their own opinions so.

Yes, that's the whole point. The "you're not the Townleader" line annoyed me.

I think in 512 enchant is referring to andres not being the townleader? He says anime but I think that's more likely an autocorrect than it is he's calling Jolyene anime, because there are a few of anime avatars this game

No, i simple hate persons with attlitude "Act like i say or yeet" which anime (other anime) trying to purpose on me.

[DrippingGoofball]

I will scumread whoever I want to scumread.

You can absolutely do this. But see here’s the problem. You’re wrong. And you completely fail to take into account the views of players that are reading closely and have demonstrated competence in other games, like Koba. Which is why I think your reads should be discarded.

Also, I’ve been Town 16 games in a row in this forum, and have yet to play Scum. In fact I think it’s very likely you have no idea how I play as Scum, but should have a very good grasp for how to confidently pick out when I’m Town. The fact that you think you can confidently say that I’m Scum is aggravating, particularly when I’m actually present in this game.

As a side note, I purposefully decided to take a break because I was not contributing in the way that I liked the last few games, and now that you can see I’m not just lurking D1 out or coming in at odd times, you still get me wrong. And okay it’s D1, but you’re pretending like your read is rock solid. It’s horrendous.

I know how you play as town, and so far, this isn't it.

I always pretend my reads are rock solid. Especially in the first 25 pages

You complain that I scumread you and you try to badger me to sheep Koba, that's a HELL NO and a HARD PASS.

[DrippingGoofball]

Mild townlean in Enchant.

[GrandpaMo]

Confirmed Town

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Jolyne (duh)

Townread

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ssbm_Kyouko (Read has not changed: actual attempts to solve the game without trying to cover her butt. Town wants to be right; this is what Kyo is doing)
Andresvmb (actively trying to figure out how this game works)
Nathann (This kind of soft-tunnel on me comes from town, in my experience. If this is scum, it's very patient scum, asking so many probing questions but constantly sitting on a weak scumlean for me.)

Townlean

:
geraintm (Read has not changed: I think this guy is just a goober, not flailing scum.)
Ythan (gut read tbh)

Null/Lurky

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Enchant (+town points for that Nixie reaction, but still content-light)
Nixie (tried to guide the conversation somewhere useful instead of letting a not-very-talkative town waste their time, but then vanished)

Scumlean

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Dwlee99 (Dwlee makes a lot of sense, but in an agenda-y way, but Jolyne says town??)
Alice (my read has not changed: stilted, fake-seeming communication style)

Delet this

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DGB (full of contradictions)
GrandpaMo (badposting)

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There are obviously problems in this list, because there are only two scum, but that's what I've got.

I am on my phone right now, and will post more thorough on other interactions however this stick out to me. You basically use surface level logic to scumead me and just because it is bad posting in your point of view another person could say the merit in which I have posted comes from a town mind set. I am basically saying you probably have not just taken a look to deciphee what I said and why I said it but just sheeped everyone else. I do agree and I already admitted I was just making around since I haven't gone into my full effort mode, but I already have gave my reads and gave my logic that supports it. Heck, you even have people sheeping me, never following up, or just blantaly scum reading me for no reason. No one has yet gave a good scum case on me other than using my "bad posts" if you look and read my meta, you would see this is not the first time people have scumread me for almost the same reason and I flipped town.

[GrandpaMo]

meming*

[DrippingGoofball]

Kazyan's list looks like general consensus, nothing original.

[Kazyan]

I'll ISO you, GMo, to see if that stuff is true.

[GrandpaMo]

I'll ISO you, GMo, to see if that stuff is true.

Please feel free to do so, you sheep.

You literally had all of my 3/4 town reads in your townread spot.

The only read that is different is probably gerantim

[GrandpaMo]

I'll ISO you, GMo, to see if that stuff is true.

This is also feels like scum resending here after pushed with facts. You will look at my iso and realize the shitpush you just made lol.

[Kazyan]

You will look at my iso and realize the shitpush you just made lol.

Please feel free to do so, you sheep.

If you're just going to set me up for a double bind, then I won't bother.

[Kazyan]

Anyway, I'm willing to yeet within {GMo, DGB, Dwlee, Alice, Enchant} today. The wagons and pushes are pretty disparate right now, so we should figure out who we actually want to send packing.

[GrandpaMo]

You will look at my iso and realize the shitpush you just made lol.

Please feel free to do so, you sheep.

If you're just going to set me up for a double bind, then I won't bother.

What does this even mind?

You literally shit push me with the implication that you have NOT read my iso / looked at what I have said (including my reads and interactions) by offering to read my ISO. You either, as town, feel free to ISO me and decipher if I am town or scum because that isn't my job to do that. I am just playing the best of my ability as town towards my wincon helping in any way possible -- it is just up to you see if I am doing that from a scum perspective or town perspecitve. You can also NOT iso me, and go on blind opionion and manipulated context that was spewn out from different people and continue to sheep other people or you can just formulate your own analysis, just like how I expect you to do.

good luck. prove to me that you are town.

[GrandpaMo]

mean*

[Kazyan]

Look, I'm sorry for sheeping, but for most of the game, every time I've posted an original thought, someone with like 14 years of Mafia experience has told me that the person I'm scumreading is just Like That and that they have a rock-solid track record to reading that exact person. If you want me to go back to saying wrong things instead of following the people who matter in the game, I'll do that.

[DrippingGoofball]

GMo, DGB, Dwlee, Alice, Enchant

A lot of options for you!

[DrippingGoofball]

someone with like 14 years of Mafia experience has told me that the person I'm scumreading is just Like That

I might be the only person who is just "Like That" so it's not a pervasive issue.