Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

Here There Be Dragons · Post Post #6175 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:44 am

In post 6173, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 6170, Here There Be Dragons wrote:i don't feel that's likely i just want to ensure i completely understand the options
Not with Medea and Dunn's interaction on Day 2, where they confirmed each other's roles as a result of the ordering. Dunn could only be scum with Medea there. And then, Dunn could only be scum with me. Which means Dunn can't be scum at all. And since Medea and I could only be scum with Dunn, we're also cleared as a result.

It's a situation of 3 people needing to be scum together and there only being 2 scum slots.

can't dunn be scum if he isn't lying about his role

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #6176 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:46 am

In post 6175, Here There Be Dragons wrote:
In post 6173, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 6170, Here There Be Dragons wrote:i don't feel that's likely i just want to ensure i completely understand the options
Not with Medea and Dunn's interaction on Day 2, where they confirmed each other's roles as a result of the ordering. Dunn could only be scum with Medea there. And then, Dunn could only be scum with me. Which means Dunn can't be scum at all. And since Medea and I could only be scum with Dunn, we're also cleared as a result.

It's a situation of 3 people needing to be scum together and there only being 2 scum slots.
can't dunn be scum if he isn't lying about his role

and scum while protecting town medea from dying that day?

Spiffeh · Post Post #6177 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:49 am

Are we sure AA9 should be cleared from the fake hammer >:(

Spiffeh · Post Post #6178 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:50 am

And Manatee is technically not clear but do I even feel like reevaluating her?

ManateeGal · Post Post #6179 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:51 am

In post 6178, Spiffeh wrote:And Manatee is technically not clear but do I even feel like reevaluating her?

no.

Here There Be Dragons · Post Post #6180 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:52 am

In post 6176, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 6175, Here There Be Dragons wrote:
In post 6173, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 6170, Here There Be Dragons wrote:i don't feel that's likely i just want to ensure i completely understand the options
Not with Medea and Dunn's interaction on Day 2, where they confirmed each other's roles as a result of the ordering. Dunn could only be scum with Medea there. And then, Dunn could only be scum with me. Which means Dunn can't be scum at all. And since Medea and I could only be scum with Dunn, we're also cleared as a result.

It's a situation of 3 people needing to be scum together and there only being 2 scum slots.
can't dunn be scum if he isn't lying about his role
and scum while protecting town medea from dying that day?

it's unlikely, but not impossible. he can still be scum, mostly with medea but also with anyone technically

Here There Be Dragons · Post Post #6181 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:56 am

have i expressed yet how much i am going to rub it in all your faces if i've just been right this whole time

Lukewarm · Post Post #6182 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:57 am

I am in front of a computer. Will be doing simulations. See you on the other side.

Here There Be Dragons · Post Post #6183 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:57 am

i propose a postulate that says if you have to do simulations to solve a mafia game the game is too complicated

Here There Be Dragons · Post Post #6184 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:58 am

In post 6177, Spiffeh wrote:Are we sure AA9 should be cleared from the fake hammer >:(

we are not. i'm not clearing anyone today unless i literally have to.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #6185 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:59 am

I want to kill Manatee, I think.

Here There Be Dragons · Post Post #6186 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:01 am

well okay, i'll admit i'm comfortable clearing spiffeh on the grounds that he can't be scum with both annie and dunn.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #6187 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:01 am

We're not going for the kill humans to prevent sharding play. Absolutely refuse. The next person to suggest it in serious and try to push it will be my target to die today, even if they are town. This is a promise, not an empty threat. Take it as one.

We are aiming to kill scum here.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #6188 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:01 am

In post 6186, Here There Be Dragons wrote:well okay, i'll admit i'm comfortable clearing spiffeh on the grounds that he can't be scum with both annie and dunn.

You mean Annie Dunn and Me. He's triple cleared.

Here There Be Dragons · Post Post #6189 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:04 am

i still don't understand how your role can clear anybody or why being human today is clearing!

Here There Be Dragons · Post Post #6190 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:05 am

the former was probably explained before but i didn't get it

Spiffeh · Post Post #6191 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:05 am

The only way I'm scum here is if I am a scum Macho Deathseeking Bodyguard

Which is obviously not the case

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #6192 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:07 am

In post 6189, Here There Be Dragons wrote:i still don't understand how your role can clear anybody or why being human today is clearing!

In early game, which is preferable if you're aiming for a sharding wincon:

You shard scum or you shard town?

If you shard town, and scum dies, you have human flipped scum, so you're behind on sharding win AND on majority win.

If you shard scum... if a human townie dies, eh. You can still win. If a sharded scum dies, you're decently happy. See how they played day 2.

They've been sharding scum first. I suspect that at this point only town are humans. It also helps the only humans remaining are you me and Dunn, so.

Lukewarm · Post Post #6193 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:13 am

There is 1 dead demon and 3 dead humans currently

The demons:
Annie Edison
ArcAngel9
Lukewarm
ManateeGal
Medea the Alien
Spiffeh

The humans:
Dunnstral
Here There Be Dragons
Lady Lambdadelta

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The million dollar question : what happens if we kill the dragons?

Option 1: They are scum-corrupter. Yay!!!!

Option 2: They are town. Manatee DOES Become the desharder

Spoiler:

Option 3: They are town. Manatee does NOT become the desharder

Spoiler:

Option 4: They are scum, non-corrupter

Spoiler:

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The only leap of faith needed for the above simulations is that LLD is town.

VOTE: CephTD

I think there is a chance that they might be scum (and I still don't understand why LLD said they were 100% town). If they are town, they are the only shot that does not lose on the spot.

Spiffeh · Post Post #6194 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:14 am

I mean that hearkens back to the AA9 corrupter theory.

Corrupter being a demonic ability and scum activating it Night 1 by demonizing AA9, which also fits because no one claimed to have been corrupted N1.

Again, I’m sheeping my TRs today but I would still like AA9 to be strongly considered despite her fake hammer yesterday.

Spiffeh · Post Post #6195 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:17 am

Since it’s essentially lim-lo let’s not forget that scum can hammer a desired target at L-2 and potentially win overnight.

So for the fourth day in a row I’d like to express that we be careful with our votes.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #6196 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:20 am

It's Manatee and Luke.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #6197 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:20 am

Just need to decide which of them is the sharder and we move on from that.

Spiffeh · Post Post #6198 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:21 am

Sharding is a factional ability according to Pooky’s role PM.

Do you mean corrupter?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #6199 (ISO) » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:21 am

I'm still paranoid about Annie, but given both of my main Annie partners died yesterday (Uwnd, Fishes) and it leaves only Luke. Luke would need to be scum either way.

And Luke and Manatee are pushing this like they know something we don't. Or at least, you all don't.

I know full well, and I've been baiting it this entire time.