Mini 2231: Radio Buzz | Game Over!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

In the scenario where SS is scum and kyouko is town it's not like you have a chance to convince me of Kyouko being town after SS flips scum if we flip him today?

your attitude suggests otherwise.

I dismissed your point because it was a bad one.

I still

read it

and explained why I thought it was bad.

If I didn't give a shit about what you say I wouldn't even read it in the first place

[skitter30]

i think pooky is town for all of this
i kinda just want to kill ss now

[Cephrir]

Because I dont think shes in danger. I dont think you can get her elimed, and you'll only shoot her if ss flips scum which I dont believe he will

ok but if i'm town you should still want to explain your POV to me so that I can see why you think she's town no?

like gamma obviously gives a shit I don't understand why you don't seem to care?

I'm a different player from you and gamma. I've posted my thoughts on kyoukotown as the game has progressed. If you didnt care for them that's all I had... I dont see why I would spend my time trying to shove that specific read down your throat in particular. Plenty of people disagree with plenty of my reads... that's just life

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: skitter
yeah this is where I actually think scum is a couple pages into d2

[Gamma Emerald]

- idk who i would be adding here in the lim pool as scum, would prob try to keep infinity open, maybe you, id who els, havent thought abt jt too mucy. I can understand why you think that tho

am I misremembering or did skitter try to push both infinity and cephrir at points d2?

[skitter30]

i probably did

[skitter30]

atually i think infinity was only day1? i don't rememberf if i did day2 as well

[skitter30]

also @pooky can you give me a tldr for why you think ssbm is scum here?

I think that she's actively trying to solve the mechanics, and is willing to die herself if that makes sense mechanically to help town here (like she recently self-voted here)
i don't think that comes from scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mostly looked at kyouko cuz shiki said she was 85% sure that kyouko was scum in the PT after D1 ended.

here's a brief summary of my thoughts on kyouko:

like look at kyouko's ISO

she's voting everywhere D1

she's defending house(enchant) when he first gets run up

she votes for Roden and says to sheep her and she'll take responsibility.

She jumps onto the Enchant wagon only when its about to leave the station (6th vote on) with no explanation.

Asks for Hammer Later.

Then d2 she's not interested in SS(Roden) at all, which makes no sense as a progression from D1? If anything you should be more interested in SS since Enchant flipped town?

[skitter30]

i still like my solve of ss/ydra
pedit i mean shiki is good but her reads aren't the be all end all

also whre were you when i was pushing that like yesterday >.>

[Gamma Emerald]

you know what
I skimmed some of the d2 VCs and the S_S/kyouko solve makes sense there

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i still like my solve of ss/ydra
pedit i mean shiki is good but her reads aren't the be all end all

also whre were you when i was pushing that like yesterday >.>

I didn't get added into the Shiki hood until end of day 2.

Ydra is probly just town.

where did kyouko self vote?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also i was probly too obsessed with murdering our favorite pokemon to like think about partners yesterday

[skitter30]

gamma why don't you think ss is scum again?

pedit ok maybe you do
so why don't we just start with ss again?

[skitter30]

well why is ydra town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she's a power wolf awooooooooo

[skitter30]

>> Enchant [6] : Gamma Emerald, Infinity 324, Galron, rousseau, PookyTheMagicalBear, Tetrina
>> Something_Smart [4] : ssbm_Kyouko, Cephrir, DrippingGoofbal, Enchant
>> Infinity 324 [1] : Something_Smart
>> Galron [1] : Ydrasse

>> Not Voting [1] : skitter30

i think that this wagon formation is quite curious tbh, and i think that there's probably scum on ss + 1 scum on enchant

VOTE: enchant

E-1 I think

enchant how did you come to place this vote?

i cntrl+f'd your whole iso for 'enchant', you have exactly one instance of 'enchant' in your iso prior to this vote: 1373, where your giving him a rundown on the game, and you blamed his wagon on house being inactive.

other than that, it doesn't look like you have a scumread on enchant, nor does it look like you interacted with him at all, nor does it look like you *tried* to interact with him at all, unless i'm missing something obvious

and wrt house, your iso is similarly puzzling:
- true null read on him 398: i think at that point you could have had some sort of read on him given his entrance pushing tetrina, but i could still understand a null read at that time
- questioning the house wagon 968

and uh not much else

so unless i'm missing something obvious: where did the e1 vote on enchant even come from?

Spoiler:

Actually I dont think Roden's answer is going to change my mind

VOTE: Roden

I'm feeling inspired

Game is starting to feel, like Gamma was saying, like the active posters are all town. I went back to reread RVS because that's where I tend to be best at catching scum and think Roden could be scum from the first 10ish pages

ok well my readrate on skitt is 100% besides perpetual melo so there

VOTE: ceph

:dead:

That's a funny way to spell Roden

Whenever Infinity hasn't been pushing skitter she's fallen back to Ceph. Once in the beginning, and now again. Mostly she's just voting skitter and mediating other discussions though. Recently she said she's ready to basically just defend townreads and jump on the biggest wagon that isn't on her townreads. In the same post she says she'd like to sort Roden or cephrir if they're around. Ceph

has

been around though, and she's had the time to sort him since early today when she made the effort to get away from the skitter push. So it doesnt track to me that she's still looking to vote him over Roden right now. Especially when she seemed receptive to voting Roden until he became an actual wagon.

Highly suspicious :dead:

Fwiw I think if you read cephrir's iso that infinity's point falls apart rather easily. Maybe I'm being too easy in TRing ceph though.

hi! the rescuers (morning tweet iso) if you'd be so kind

Okay, I read them. Was there any information given about who's controlling them?

Presumably it's not MT, since this wasn't listed as a bastard game.

Tetrina told us she was invited to this game by MT and that she plays irl. I believe based on the description of the players that are controlling the callers it is possible that the 5 callers also know MT irl and possibly are from the same player group as Tetrina.

in my experience when there's 2 leading wagons and neither of the 2 have any solid/real read on the other wagon its probly just S/S

They both just repped in, though generally I'd agree. Enchant should at least be able to read S_S via Roden though

VOTE: enchant

E-1 I think

These are all the times you mention the ss/roden sloy and/or interact with it between the roden vote and the enchant vote, unless i missed something

So, uh, where did the townvibes even happen

Like you're explaining your votes with a lot of trajectory that there's no evidende for itt

i literally made that case on ssbm yesterday >.>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have a policy of never reading anything that looks like it will take more than a minute to read

[skitter30]

5 of us without guns but now we have 2 claimed innos. Tbh I think the clearest path is to kill me, Galron, and skitter

If none of us flip scum we know that either Tetrina or Cephrir are scum. If Cephrir is the scum of those 2 we know the last scum is S_S. If Tetrina is scum, it will be up to yall to figure it out. Doing the math on this, lets have an elimination on one of us 3 (me, Galron skitter) and double taps on the other 2. Leaves us with the 4 gunners, Tetrina, and Cephrir. Assuming the worst case scenario, where all 3 of us were town, scum will not kill Tetrina or Cephrir because it means the other one is scum. So it will be 6 players, scum will nightkill one of the gunners, and we will be in 5p ELO with a 50-50 shot at scum in Cephrir, Tetrina.

If the one we elim is town

, but one of the other 2 is scum, then scum will shoot Cephrir or Pooky in the night because otherwise they will both wake up cleared if there is only 1 scum alive. So we will be in 4v1 with a conftown. This is very good odds I think as scum will be forced to kill conftown and we will have a free mislim before ELO where scum's kill is forced.

If the one we elim is scum, then the gunners can have free reign to shoot who they want. Cephrir and Pooky would be cleared before the Night Actions by the flip, so we would have at least 1 conftown in the morning as long as none of the gunners fuck up and shoot one of them. Presumably scum will shoot one of them.

I actually think eliminating Town amongst the 3 of us and having the gunners doubletap the other 2 to force final 5 is ideal. I know I'm town so if the gunners will agree to this plan I'll self-vote

UNVOTE:

ah she didn't actually self-vote but she's clearly willing to ^
i think this post is really, relaly, really townie

[Gamma Emerald]

well why is ydra town

her d2 posting gives me goodvibes :)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ah she didn't actually self-vote but she's clearly willing to ^
i think this post is really, relaly, really townie

yea I didn't read any of that also offering to self-vote is usually just performative nonsense when I've encountered it, I don't think that plan actually goes thru

no i didnt read her plan.

[skitter30]

ok well i'm running out of people to scumread so that's not a good enough reason anymore

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok i tried to read her plan and i didnt understand it at all

[skitter30]

ah she didn't actually self-vote but she's clearly willing to ^
i think this post is really, relaly, really townie

yea I didn't read any of that also offering to self-vote is usually just performative nonsense when I've encountered it, I don't think that plan actually goes thru

no i didnt read her plan.

well maybe read it and get back to me
i thought it was very sincere and unlikely to come from scum, i don't think ti's performative at all and it hink if people had taken her up on the plan she would have done it

pedit the actual plan doesn't matter, the point is she thinks it does and she's willing to selfvote over it
i dont' tget the plan either but that's not the point

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've used self-voting as a ploy to get townread a lot of times so uh I'm usually unconvinced by such tricks because towns rarely ever take people up on plans that involving self voting