White flag #824 game over

[Dwlee99]

Pooky did chainsaw for goats last day phase.

[Infinity 324]

pooky also voted that slot and it really didn't seem like a bus to me

[cyrus62]

vote count 3.4

Northsidegal

: (3),,Dwlee99,Enchan,Not_Mafia,

Not_Mafia

:(2)infinity324, implosion

PookyTheMagicalBear

:(1) Northsidegal
Not Voting:(3) ,FleaThemagician,GuiltyLion,PookyTheMagicalBearwith 9 alive it takes 5 votes to be kicked off the island

day3 ends in

(expired on 2021-09-02 18:37:50) p.s i think im doing good with vcs thank you

[Dwlee99]

pooky also voted that slot and it really didn't seem like a bus to me

Goats or northside?

[Infinity 324]

goats (bloodhail)

[Dwlee99]

You said you didn't think pooky was bussing in my tttt though and I don't feel much difference here from there. Goats was crashing and burning

[Dwlee99]

Ignore the word my

[Infinity 324]

fair although pooky still rarely busses and it's still probably +town for him

[Infinity 324]

maybe it is just pooky idk

do you think enchant could be scum here? i don't really think they are but too many trs

[Dwlee99]

Enchant is a hard maybe.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: N_M

If there's momentum on Pooky for whatever reason I'll happily switch but prefer this.

@Dwlee if nsg is scum, what person/people do you see as likely partners?

Transparent scum

[Infinity 324]

nm i appreciate you not hammering anyway

[GuiltyLion]

I'm finally around with some time to reread D1

early game goats comments on bugs:

I want everyone to pick out two people. For the rest of D1, you must treat them as hard town

If someone sticks to a questionable TR it’s probably a partner tell

how quickly you contradict yourself is pretty weird, these two statements cannot exist together

Sticking to a questionable TR because you have to as part of the wackstrat could never be a partner tell.

You literally skipped the post with the connection

you absolute baboon

Weird overreaction to a simple misunderstanding. You are probably scum.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This is outed actually. He was angry at bugspray being a baboon, implying anger at bugspray's stupidity or lack of reading comprehension. But then he votes bugspray on the basis that they were mafia and intentionally trying to make them look bad. Which makes them scum, not someone who lacks reading comprehension. I think Gamma is mafia who got tilted at being suspected for the wrong reasons by a townie who didn't read their post properly. Which is why he initially calls them a baboon and then switches to a fake reason to attack them after.

actually i think i'm gonna VOTE: bugspray

i don't think gamma provided any *great* rebuttals to bugspray, so the fact that they unvoted him anyway, and then voted implo (who just so happened to be the leading wagon) without any actual thoughts written out for why they did that? and with seeming a lot of confidence?

Did you see me explain why Gamma was most likely the mafia in that equation?

this is pretty consistent attitude with the later posts implosion already mentioned in the 500s where goats was calling bugspray LHF and doubting the wagon on bugs. overall the pattern is a default assumption that bugs is town, and using that to build a push on Gamma. bugs doesn't really strike me as particularly useful for scum to buddy if town, and I also don't get much of a sense that goats was worried about their bugs townread TMI-ing an otherwise mislimmable slot, especially since goats was fairly townread at this point. Overall it's easier for me to see benefits to goats taking these angles if scum!bugs rather than if town!bugs.

I also think this post:

name two people in this game other than me that want bugspray to live today. go

FWIW this read is also applicable to the mcat wagon. my bad for not picking it up earlier. but now mcat is acting much townier so it was probably right then and I don't see why it isn't right now

stands out, kinda feels to me like goats may have had an "oh shit, my reason for defending bugs also applies to murder, I'm being inconsistent" moment and felt self-conscious enough to try to retroactively address it

[Dwlee99]

NM who do you think is implo's partner?

[GuiltyLion]

another post I noticed in rereading that I wanted to address separately:

I can see goats being scum who is just trying to derail by throwing out umpteen aggressive accusations

I'd say this kind of comment normally looks like distancing, shade but from a safe position where he doesn't follow it up at all, but the timing of it came when the general thread vibe was wholly pro-goats and both Dwlee/myself were picking up heat instead. I don't know if scum!N_M gains anything from casting light suspicion on a buddy in a singular post that largely goes ignored, I feel it's more likely he just wouldn't post this at all if they were partnered. There was no follow up/explanation on his goats read for a long time after this either, so if it was intentional distancing he didn't go anywhere with it

[GuiltyLion]

I am curious why bugspray is so high up and implosion is so low though @Klick

if goats is townreading bugs, why do they ask Klick to elaborate on his townread there - reinforce a townie's errant read on their partner? I notice that pattern a lot, scum love to ask townies why they townread scum (including themselves, the classic "why am I town?") so townies spend more time explaining and convincing themselves of the read. could also generate content to push Klick if bugs flips scum

[Infinity 324]

none of this matters if there's no partner for nsg yeah? you were the one who brought that point up to begin with.

unless you're comfortable just calling the team as nsg/flea.

[GuiltyLion]

none of this matters if there's no partner for nsg yeah? you were the one who brought that point up to begin with.

unless you're comfortable just calling the team as nsg/flea.

I think I'm looking for engagement from you/implo on these points mainly as you could both still be partners as well, despite my reads

I'm also gonna reread Flea interactions but there was a lot of friction between fae and NSG yesterday and I also felt Flea/goats tag teaming me on D1 didn't feel like two scum both piling on

I'm not sure how to resolve the "nsg feels most likely to be scum but has little to no partners" dilemma tbh

[GuiltyLion]

guiltyloion is obvtown i sus datisi, implo, and flea

guiltyloion is obvtown i sus datisi, implo, and flea

you are scum just for these reads

I could see this as cheeky theater

also I don't like that bugs called me obvtown but didn't engage with or even mention goats tunneling me

[Infinity 324]

fair enough. i think your point about 523 applies no matter bugs' alignment. your other points make sense but aren't enough to sway anything for me. i don't think there necessarily needs to be an agenda behind townreading a townie as scum.

maybe my tinfoil should actually be implo scum instead of dwlee scum, especially if nm flips town. for right now though, i'm happy with a pool of nm/enchant/pooky and am unlikely to change my mind today.

[implosion]

I think the angle for goats-scum to act like that toward bugspray-town is that they were just already pushing a lot of people and no need to add another to the pile. I agree that's slightly shaky and if bugs was town then it'd be natural for goats to push/they don't really directly gain anything out of buddying bugspray.

[implosion]

I like,

can

be convinced on nsg but it'll take a fair amount. I do kind of buy her saying there's no way she'd have been trying to engage with the thread when she needed to sleep as scum to like some extent. Tbh there's a part of me that feels Pooky might even be the better lim than N_M but I just like, hate the idea of N_M living to 5p if we screw up twice and him auto-voting me and us just automatically losing if he's town. Though if he is town and we lim two other people I'd be quite surprised if we hadn't won at that point.

Pooky's play today is like quite underwhelming I think. Tonally I feel like they could just feel defeatist as scum.

[GuiltyLion]

as a previous Dwlee tinfoiler I gotta say actually sitting down and rereading through the first 15-20 pages of the game again has put me a lot further away from any paranoia there, the voting/sparring with Dwlee was a lot more substantial than my initial recollection of it and there's a few interactions I see as really unlikely to be S-S. A big one being this whole sequence:

Also regarding you and goats it just isn't a priority for me to figure out right now. Neither of you are up for lim today and there's no point in me putting in effort with less information when I can do it with more later

vote GL and he'll be up for lim. we still have lots of time left

I don't want him up for lim.

how come?

More info will help us read him later in the game. Right now I think we hit scum limming in bugs/murdercat

More info will help us read him later in the game. Right now I think we hit scum limming in bugs/murdercat

that's a cop out answer and now I think you're partners again

GL has posted repeatedly this day phase and the case against as well as for him has been hashed out in great detail. how do you have no way to read him whatsoever?

Goats can you reread my post!

i reread it

still don't get why you aren't making an effort to sort GL when he has so much content this day phase to read into and want to just sit back and let info in future days help you read him

I'm not gonna get nightkilled. I have bigger scumreads. It's a waste of time

feels like goats trying to bully Dwlee into voting me rather than a dressed up argument with each other

[GuiltyLion]

I like,

can

be convinced on nsg but it'll take a fair amount. I do kind of buy her saying there's no way she'd have been trying to engage with the thread when she needed to sleep as scum to like some extent. Tbh there's a part of me that feels Pooky might even be the better lim than N_M but I just like, hate the idea of N_M living to 5p if we screw up twice and him auto-voting me and us just automatically losing if he's town. Though if he is town and we lim two other people I'd be quite surprised if we hadn't won at that point.

Pooky's play today is like quite underwhelming I think. Tonally I feel like they could just feel defeatist as scum.

I've only read through the most recent pages once without deep thinking about them

I guess if I assume town!NSG, Pooky claiming his vote today is just sheeping me is worrying. but I agree with Infinity that I don't think his behavior D2 felt like a bus

what'd you think of my point on NM's 248?

[GuiltyLion]

I don't really know what to do with the NSG posts from a couple days ago, I definitely believe she is busy and frustrated with being suspected for being busy so the emotions she was putting forward were real, but I don't think she necessarily doesn't feel those emotions as scum there? I'd like her to at least have time to reread D1 and partner hunt as she mentioned wanting to do