Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

[LicketyQuickety]

You might be right *in general* but I've seen plenty of proactive scum.

I'll even amend my statement:

If I were scum, I would rather be an early vote on a wagon than the e-1 or hammer vote.

Of course. Who wouldn't want to be early on the wagon as Scum. It makes you look better. But often times Scum have to try and figure out which direction Town is going to go and adjust accordingly.

I personally try and mimic my Town game as Scum. So I make pushes. But I don't make pushes without having information first. I will push a wagon I think has a chanced to flip, but that doesn't look like I'm trying to Elim LHF.

Of course usually as Scum I get Elimmed, often early. I get elimmed early as Scum because my play is uncharacteristic of my Town game in some sense.

I just don't really get why you are pushing the angle that there is a better chance of the people early on the wagons being Scum vs Town without something else to back it up. It's just an empty accusation that should ultimately end in a null read since Town have just as much reason to do it as Scum.

So, you are pushing NAI stuff as Scummy, which is Scummy.

[Pavowski]

If you think me thinking scum could be in the early votes on the D1 wagons is scummy, you're welcome to think it. Personally I think you're resisting my suspicions a little strongly given how passively I described them. I'm not even thru reading the thread yet.

No, I don't have stronger evidence yet. I've only been in the heckin game for a few hours, man. But I disagree with you that votes, and vote order, is NAI.

[LicketyQuickety]

But I disagree with you that votes, and vote order, is NAI.

That's not my argument, bro.

I jumped on you because I saw your argument was fundamentally flawed. And I've seen Scum "work up" progression before.

[Pavowski]

So, you are pushing NAI stuff as Scummy, which is Scummy

What am I pushing as scummy, then, that is NAI?

[Pavowski]

I'll finish reading the thread tomorrow, btw. I'm just about at the end of D1.

[kennyk]

Hello and welcome to the cursed spot Pavowski.

Although I can understand why you want us to point out interesting posts to you, i think an unbiased reading and getting an unbiased view on things might lead us to new insights. So right now I won't give you any hints on special posts.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

doing something similar
i won't be ignoring your posts, i promise

[Pavowski]

Up and doing a page or two before work. Uranus, at e-1 on p 39, tries to redirect attention to reg. This gains no traction, but the wagon on Uranus doesn't reach completion, and in the night Reg is killed.

Interesting.

[Pavowski]

That being said, why does scum!Uranus leave a reads list if he thinks he's hammered. Doesn't track. Uranus probtown. CLS probtown for the post not-actually-hammered reaction.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

That being said, why does scum!Uranus leave a reads list if he thinks he's hammered.

and then to kill of their largest scumreads after? a lot of WIFOM but it's way easier to just be like "uranus likely isn't in control of the nightkills"

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
quick iso got me feeling heeheehaahaa again

[NorwegianboyEE]

That being said, why does scum!Uranus leave a reads list if he thinks he's hammered.

and then to kill of their largest scumreads after? a lot of WIFOM but it's way easier to just be like "uranus likely isn't in control of the nightkills"

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
quick iso got me feeling heeheehaahaa again

What?
Why voting me again? I even tried to make sure nobody just hammered you when you were E-1 and now you scumread me?

[Save The Dragons]

sorry, other way around, meld of the mind variety

i dunno if it's true

can you talk a bit more abt your doubts, std? assuming this is about me being town, you had me at a "scum probably doesn't say this sort of thing" for a while and it's understandable that it isn't exactly reliable. if you're looking for more specific questions, do you find that you're questioning my tone more or my content?

my doubts are about my solve being right in general, i always have doubts but i try to be confident because otherwise i'd never progress the game if i let my doubts take over.

VOTE: Norwee

[cowsloveSushirolls]

What?
Why voting me again? I even tried to make sure nobody just hammered you when you were E-1 and now you scumread me?

extending the same question i did to LQ a couple of days ago to you:

[everyone knows] thread reception to a hammer would not be good, why [say] this?

i think there is a thousand reasons why scum wouldnt want anyone to hammer me there

this feels like level 1 marination, which in turn makes me think you don't see me as threatening, despite being beetlejuiced onto thread because of what i said
"i was there supporting you at your lowest points, please keep me around!"

what's your opinion on pavowski right now? i'm not convinced of your solve at all

[Pavowski]

Grinding thru these last few pages a bit more closely/slowly while at work. Kenny's vote on CLS (1064) is bad. CLS's joke about the floo claim (that didn't happen) is also bad but so blatant and weird there is no way to assume scum!CLS thought he would not be called on it.

[LicketyQuickety]

So, you are pushing NAI stuff as Scummy, which is Scummy

What am I pushing as scummy, then, that is NAI?

Is this a serious question? It's staring you right in the face. You think it's more Scummy than Townie for the early voters on the wagons. That's NAI at best.

[Pavowski]

But I disagree with you that votes, and vote order, is NAI.

That's not my argument, bro.

I jumped on you because I saw your argument was fundamentally flawed. And I've seen Scum "work up" progression before.

So, you are pushing NAI stuff as Scummy, which is Scummy

What am I pushing as scummy, then, that is NAI?

Is this a serious question? It's staring you right in the face. You think it's more Scummy than Townie for the early voters on the wagons. That's NAI at best.

Am I having a stroke?

[Pavowski]

Know what, please forgive the tone of that last post. I just don't know what we're arguing about. I absolutely think the order of votes means something. I wouldn't say somebody is scum based on that info alone, but in light of other factors it can be useful.

[Radical Rat]

Yeah, I'm not comfortable here anymore

UNVOTE:

I'll need to ISO Norwee later probably.
Right now, I'm not comfortable voting there, but I'd also kinda just been letting him coast by on my Salsa townread.

[Radical Rat]

That being said, why does scum!Uranus leave a reads list if he thinks he's hammered.

and then to kill of their largest scumreads after? a lot of WIFOM but it's way easier to just be like "uranus likely isn't in control of the nightkills"

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
quick iso got me feeling heeheehaahaa again

What?
Why voting me again? I even tried to make sure nobody just hammered you when you were E-1 and now you scumread me?

This is a very bad post though. Just straight up emotional manipulation.

[Save The Dragons]

STD voting me for no reason is pretty annoying.

hey look here's more

[LicketyQuickety]

Am I having a stroke?

I personally think it's Townie that someone was first on the wagon. That's why I think your argument is flawed. I said at best it's NAI, because I think you can make an argument that it is, but I DON'T think it's Scummy to be first on the wagon by itself.

[LicketyQuickety]

What am I pushing as scummy, then, that is NAI?

Is this a serious question? It's staring you right in the face. You think it's more Scummy than Townie for the early voters on the wagons. That's NAI at best.

Am I having a stroke?

Know what, please forgive the tone of that last post. I just don't know what we're arguing about. I absolutely think the order of votes means something. I wouldn't say somebody is scum based on that info alone, but in light of other factors it can be useful.

This reaction is a bit Townie, I think.

I'd still prefer to Elim Uranus.

VOTE: Uranus

They've been slanking hard every since getting put at E-1.

[Pavowski]

LQ I agree with that assessment on Uranus, but do you think he's scum in light of his post-not-really-hammer readslist?

I don't see scum saying a damn thing in that spot, though I could see manufacturing it to look town, maybe (I do not know Uranus's meta at all so not sure how possible that is).

He's not a terrible vote but wouldn't be my first choice at the moment.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ I agree with that assessment on Uranus, but do you think he's scum in light of his post-not-really-hammer readslist?

I don't see scum saying a damn thing in that spot, though I could see manufacturing it to look town, maybe (I do not know Uranus's meta at all so not sure how possible that is).

He's not a terrible vote but wouldn't be my first choice at the moment.

There's always the idea that Uranus can do anything and everything to post something so that they don't get Eliminated. I would have to view the context of when Uranus was put at E-1 to really give a better take on that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Looking back, it looks like you are talking about Uranus' 991. IDK, I feel that RL could have been given to throw off Town if Uranus is Scum here. Uranus would have been in anti-spew mode if they were Scum there. Therefore, you would not be able to read into the RL for correct information.

I would say it's lightly Townie given Uranus gave a RL after they

*might*

have been hammered, but it's not enough to change my read there.