open 826; trist fall (over)

[Enchant]

Pooky confmafia for eating eggs.

Skitter confmafia for thinking it's yummy.

[MegAzumarill]

Eggcelent observation

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is the one game where if i rolled mafia with skitter i wouldnt immediately die :3

[skitter30]

:)

[Pavowski]

i am eating breakfast right now

a fried egg, a radish pastry, two pumpkin mochis, 1 soup dumpling and 1 fried roti flatbread

Obvious scum overshare.

Kidding, but feck that's a lot of food.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am a bear

[Enchant]

Imagine bear eating eggs.

[Faker]

@faker: without knowing who inutile was, i liked how she was questioning meg's plan and trying to understand it
upon learning who she was, most of the townpings from that were negated because i think she would have done that as either alignment

i also had not yet read 21 at the time of my posting 22, so when infinity said intuile == shiki, i went back and read inutile's posts with that and mind and also saw 21, and realized i didn't like it, to the point where i wanted to take back the initial townpings i had given

I think post 21 is more in line with trying to figure out Meg's plan, and reflecting on the implications, than you're giving it credit for.

i saw the post. i read it as inutile disliking meg's plan since that is how she approached the game in *her* scumgame, and calling meg scummy for it. but then later hedging around actually calling meg scummy, so it looked like she just wnated to make meg look bad without fully commiting to it

My counterpoint was that the scum who hedge are typically nervous and too afraid to just go for it. I don't think inutile fits that bill.

[Faker]

I don't really think I have too much to add right now. Nothing in the last page or two does anything for me, and while I agree with most of what I wrote yesterday but think I was a bit overaggressive. I'm happy to leave the ball in others' hands at the moment.

[Faker]

Skimming inutile's ISO in their last game, it definitely hedges them as scum. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'll think more about it.

[Faker]

inutile, after playing through this setup once as scum, what are your impressions of the setup: What were your "final" thoughts on the setup as mafia, and what lessons from that game have you carried forward with you as town this game?

[Faker]

12 days is a brutal long time to wait. Waiting makes the game not fun.

I plan to fire off a trust or two within a day or so.

After reading through a few of your games, I'm increasingly curious about the reason for this. You don't hesitate to comment on mechanics as scum.

[inutile]

Pooky we should trust each other

not liking this

[inutile]

Skimming inutile's ISO in their last game, it definitely hedges them as scum. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'll think more about it.

? am i misunderstanding this? or are you saying that you skimmed my iso from the last trust fall and now think it is more likely i am mafia than before? and if i am not misunderstanding, could you explain why you think this?

[inutile]

inutile, after playing through this setup once as scum, what are your impressions of the setup: What were your "final" thoughts on the setup as mafia, and what lessons from that game have you carried forward with you as town this game?

that was actually the second time i've played through the setup as mafia, though the first was part of a four person hydra and i didn't really post,

uh, patience generally good for town, probably the biggest one, not going to lay out things i am looking for players doing right now for pretty apparent reasons

[Faker]

Skimming inutile's ISO in their last game, it definitely hedges them as scum. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'll think more about it.

? am i misunderstanding this? or are you saying that you skimmed my iso from the last trust fall and now think it is more likely i am mafia than before? and if i am not misunderstanding, could you explain why you think this?

My point to Skitter was that it was a weird place to hedge a scumread. I think going after Meg would be an awful play to begin with, and even if you do it anyway hedging it is pointless. This was primarily a counter to skitter, but I had you as a townlean for the initial repartee.

In the last Trust Fall, you repeatedly hedged possible scum motivations as town ones. Exhibit A, Exhibit B, Exhibit D. You begin to press more specific reads later. I've done some analysis of context but not enough to be confident that I'm not falling prey to confirmation bias.

"More likely to be mafia" is on the face of it literally true, but the more complete picture is a more neutral "My reason for townleaning you is likely wrong in process, even if not in result"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Biggest tips for town imo:

1) Never accept an offer impulsively, you can always shop for better after you are offered a trust fall.

2) Get everyone's opinion before you accept an offer, more information is always helpful regardless of whether the offer is good / not good.

3) Don't offer someone without good reasons, probably better to get people's opinions on whether your TR on someone is good prior to offering them.

[Faker]

I guess I never learned my ABCs. As much as I wish I could blame the American education system, I am the kind of stupid which has proven unassailable to any amount of love, care, and attention.

[Faker]

Biggest tips for town imo:

1) Never accept an offer impulsively, you can always shop for better after you are offered a trust fall.

2) Get everyone's opinion before you accept an offer, more information is always helpful regardless of whether the offer is good / not good.

3) Don't offer someone without good reasons, probably better to get people's opinions on whether your TR on someone is good prior to offering them.

Why was your solve Infinity/The Worst? You seemed to think it implausible that Enchant could have 0 thoughts; am curious what points you in that direction.

[inutile]

Skimming inutile's ISO in their last game, it definitely hedges them as scum. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'll think more about it.

? am i misunderstanding this? or are you saying that you skimmed my iso from the last trust fall and now think it is more likely i am mafia than before? and if i am not misunderstanding, could you explain why you think this?

My point to Skitter was that it was a weird place to hedge a scumread. I think going after Meg would be an awful play to begin with, and even if you do it anyway hedging it is pointless. This was primarily a counter to skitter, but I had you as a townlean for the initial repartee.

In the last Trust Fall, you repeatedly hedged possible scum motivations as town ones. Exhibit A, Exhibit B, Exhibit D. You begin to press more specific reads later. I've done some analysis of context but not enough to be confident that I'm not falling prey to confirmation bias.

"More likely to be mafia" is on the face of it literally true, but the more complete picture is a more neutral "My reason for townleaning you is likely wrong in process, even if not in result"

gotcha; yeah i try to emulate my thought processes as mafia, and it makes sense if you were looking closely at exactly that instead of play as a whole, especially if just looking at my iso not entire game to come away thinking oh this is similar

why do you think scumreading megazumarill would be awful play?

[Faker]

why do you think scumreading megazumarill would be awful play?

There's no threat, either from the plan itself or from someone more dedicated to its followthrough than sorting the other players. It's unpredictable what will happen when they swing to the latter, and you don't want to be on the wrong side of it if they wind up looking town. This is general, but individually the specific point you presented was especially unlikely to ever go far. This is all even before other players (myself, Skitter) find Meg's approach town to begin with.

I did not have these concrete points in mind when I made the statement. Going after Meg was very intuitively wrong to me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why was your solve Infinity/The Worst? You seemed to think it implausible that Enchant could have 0 thoughts; am curious what points you in that direction.

it's a bullshit hero solve because it has little reasoning and is just thrown out for fun.

here is more or less the only thought I put into it:


1) TW was town in the last TF game I played against him and I was scum and him trusting me was the last fall that sealed the game.

2) This game I'm town so I'm thinking maybe Karma gave him red to get his revenge on me.

3) Infinity got thrown in there cuz I thought 97 is the sort of cheeky shit TW would say to his scumbuddy.

4) Also Infinity totally lied about never misreading skitter (cough perpetual mylo cough)

5) I think it's implausible for someone to have no thoughts because when you read stuff you think things.

Possibly stupid things but still something.

It's weird when someone tells me they have no thoughts.

[Faker]

And on myself, or perhaps Skitter/inutile?

[inutile]

2) This game I'm town so I'm thinking maybe Karma gave him red to get his revenge on me.

this could be applied to infinity having the opportunity to get her revenge on me as well, and i am perhaps even more likely to give thought to this type of logic than usual on account of having /outed from the queue and still having ended up in the game,

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this could be applied to infinity having the opportunity to get her revenge on me as well, and i am perhaps even more likely to give thought to this type of logic than usual on account of having /outed from the queue and still having ended up in the game,

That is certainly very strange!