Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

[cowsloveSushirolls]

i request that i do not get limmed on my birthday

also, i think there's zero reason to try to save if it's pretty plain that tomorrow's discussion, if norwee flipped red, was going to center around uranus

if you confirm their alignment right away then thread goes an entirely different direction and has an even higher chance of winning than they had if you picked anyone else in a norwee/deepwolf world

[cowsloveSushirolls]

not to mention norwee's apathy toward the game as mafia suggests that the world is more often than not norwee/lurksack, which there was only one of

[Pavowski]

Seriously frustrated by the end of the previous day. Norwee claims town after they're limmed and Uranus just slinks out ... why?

I seriously don't want to jump all over somebody repping into the slot but that doesn't look great.

Want to hear who got jailed but for now VOTE: Kenny instead

[StrangeMatter]

Ok so I looked through ISOs and saw things from LQ that I don’t quite get.

[Radical Rat]

Seriously frustrated by the end of the previous day. Norwee claims town after they're limmed and Uranus just slinks out ... why?

I seriously don't want to jump all over somebody repping into the slot but that doesn't look great.

Want to hear who got jailed but for now VOTE: Kenny instead

Explain the kenny vote please. I have my own wacky conspiracy for why he's totally still scum despite Norwee's flip, but I want to hear your thoughts here too.

[Radical Rat]

i request that i do not get limmed on my birthday

also, i think there's zero reason to try to save if it's pretty plain that tomorrow's discussion, if norwee flipped red, was going to center around uranus

if you confirm their alignment right away then thread goes an entirely different direction and has an even higher chance of winning than they had if you picked anyone else in a norwee/deepwolf world

Happy birthday!

I do agree that trying to save seems silly, but that doesn't mean a save isn't what happened anyway.

[StrangeMatter]

Also, Scum are WAY more likely to claim PR than VT.

Ok it wasn't things but it was something I legitimately don't get where this comes from. In what world would scum claim PR over claiming VT? Just hear me out but if I remember correctly scum claiming PR is a horrible idea except for two scenarios, and that itself is very risky. Fakeclaiming PR in elo requires that Town ends up voting their PR instead of you, and just outright claiming when outside of elo to me literally needs PRs to say nothing about it when they should.

[Radical Rat]

Also, I don't think the JK should claim just yet. I'd also like to think we've won here, but in the event we didn't (it was a save, or scum just no killed), I want the JK to live to jail another day. Or night, I suppose.

[Pavowski]

Seriously frustrated by the end of the previous day. Norwee claims town after they're limmed and Uranus just slinks out ... why?

I seriously don't want to jump all over somebody repping into the slot but that doesn't look great.

Want to hear who got jailed but for now VOTE: Kenny instead

Explain the kenny vote please. I have my own wacky conspiracy for why he's totally still scum despite Norwee's flip, but I want to hear your thoughts here too.

Very weird interactions from Norwee on the slot, versus Norwee's consistent TR on LQ which just strikes me as tmi telling.

Also don't see a great reason to bus in this position, which means Kenny or Uranus slot. Since I don't want to pile on Uranus slot until his rep gets a chance to speak, I'll settle for Kenny to lead off.

It's prob Uranus though.

[Pavowski]

Sorry I didn't realize strange was already posting, gonna stop calling you Uranus slot lol

[Pavowski]

Btw welcome to the dumpster fire Strange

[Radical Rat]

Also, Scum are WAY more likely to claim PR than VT.

Ok it wasn't things but it was something I legitimately don't get where this comes from. In what world would scum claim PR over claiming VT? Just hear me out but if I remember correctly scum claiming PR is a horrible idea except for two scenarios, and that itself is very risky. Fakeclaiming PR in elo requires that Town ends up voting their PR instead of you, and just outright claiming when outside of elo to me literally needs PRs to say nothing about it when they should.

It makes sense for the goon to try claiming PR if they're gonna die anyway. VT is a "safe" claim, but also isn't likely to change anyone's minds, whereas a PR claim could scare the less sure townies off, or bait the real PR into revealing themselves to be nightkilled. It also gives plausible deniability if a tracker catches them performing the kill.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, Scum are WAY more likely to claim PR than VT.

Ok it wasn't things but it was something I legitimately don't get where this comes from. In what world would scum claim PR over claiming VT? Just hear me out but if I remember correctly scum claiming PR is a horrible idea except for two scenarios, and that itself is very risky. Fakeclaiming PR in elo requires that Town ends up voting their PR instead of you, and just outright claiming when outside of elo to me literally needs PRs to say nothing about it when they should.

That's why I said if there was an intent to hammer. If Scum claim PR then they either out an actual PR before getting Elimmed or live to fight another day.

[StrangeMatter]

Yeah, I can see why you'd say that Pavowski about this game.

Also yeah that makes a little more sense with context but definitely doesn't without.

[Radical Rat]

Very weird interactions from Norwee on the slot, versus Norwee's consistent TR on LQ which just strikes me as tmi telling.

Also don't see a great reason to bus in this position, which means Kenny or Uranus slot. Since I don't want to pile on Uranus slot until his rep gets a chance to speak, I'll settle for Kenny to lead off.

It's prob Uranus though.

I'm actually more interested in Salsa's interactions there. Particularly, how she came right out the gate gunning for kenny, pushed there very aggressively, albeit also with somewhat weak reasoning, only to back off as soon as it became a viable wagon because it was "too easy"

In light of the flip, this now reads to me like trying to distance from a partner, while also defending the slot from actually getting eliminated, and potentially earning towncred for scumreading/leaning him without a full bus.

Also, Salsa's offer to quickhammer Uranus seems odd if that's the scumteam. Could be a bus attempt, definitely, but in that case I might have expected her to just hammer anyway.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't think it's uranus/strangematter due to the offer to hammer

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: kennyk
With a renewed sense of vigor!

I don't plan to back down on this today unless JK does decide to out who they jailed, which I reiterate I don't think they should.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't think it's kenny either for the way she went after him

[Radical Rat]

But that's just it, she

didn't

go after him when she actually had the chance! She jumped on the chance for an easy lim on Uranus, but not kenny

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Just like Salsa was born weird i was born awkward.

That feels weird and awkward.

IKR

i think stuff like this is pretty on the nose for a kenny/salsa scumteam. why wouldn't it be buddying?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

and compare it to uranus/salswee where we have:
the end of d1 having no hammer when majority wagons were salsa/uranus. uranus has a confident case on regrider
salsa offering to hammer uranus despite no prior major suspicion on them
both e-1 uranus wagons do not include norwee / salsa

[Radical Rat]

It certainly could be buddying.
But I don't think most buddy attempts start with overly aggressive pushing and repeated votes, alongside never actually giving kenny a proper townread until Norwee took over, IIRC

[Radical Rat]

i don't think it's uranus/strangematter due to the offer to hammer

i don't think it's kenny either for the way she went after him

Who do you think it is then?

[Radical Rat]

Also, that sock gif... Red and Green, a deliberate ploy to prevent us from realizing they should actually BOTH be red!


I don't actually think that one's on purpose though.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

But I don't think most buddy attempts start with overly aggressive pushing and repeated votes, alongside never actually giving kenny a proper townread until Norwee took over, IIRC

i'd have to look back at the progression
but my first confbiased idea is that salsa was trying to conform to thread consensus to minimize attention, since the post was after the kennyk wagon (that went to E-1) dissipated