open 826; trist fall (over)

[skitter30]

I'm having coffee and a banana for breakfast, what about everyone else?

I'm a little dubious of 623

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when did you get so bad at reading me dude

even skitter thinks im town this game

she

never

does that >.>

[skitter30]

This is an exceedingly rare event indeed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r u mafia or something ~.~

[skitter30]

No >.>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

<.<

[skitter30]

>.>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[skitter30]

:)

[Faker]

3 slices of whole wheat bread with peanut butter, an apple, and black coffee.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

every1 eats so much healthier than me :O

[Faker]

There is no issue with the "tiers" of trust presented by Pooky, at least as a useful tool of thinking about the game, though it is critical to understand that the tiers do not actually equate to being town.

I am aware of the argument that Infinity thought strategically rather than left myself and Koba to our own devices. I think this assumption is a mistake, because it relies on all of the town deciding to move forward with that plan and it not getting changed up. This is a big assumption — there's a reason I briefly entertained Infinity accepting as town. I was very worried that people would townread Koba for throwing (and indeed, those people would have been right)

It also depends on Infinity being able to successfully convince a second townsperson to trust her. One world has her partner in Meg/Enchant, and being scared of pairing with the wrong one. Similarly, Meg/Enchant pairing up leaves her out, and pairing outside leaves her with a chance of going with her partner.

The final element of this is just the time constraint. Skitter responded to my timestamps by pointing out there was

some

time to strategize, however this was very minimal, no more than 7/8 minutes at most. It is very difficult to work through all of the pairing suggestions, possibilities, etc. in that time even if you take the above assumptions as a given. Infinity would not, which adds some stress. She showed up, she read, and she made her decision all in the span of that 13 minutes.

[Faker]

Let's tackle the more qualitative side of this read next.

I don't think Megs emotions feel like someone who is town, I believe Meg is very desperate to leave and that doesn't make sense IMO from a town POV at this stage in the game.

There is a certain level of desire to leave that rings out in Meg's gameplay.

There are a lot of posts I can highlight that I think point towards the opposite — the first 15 posts of the game, for example, have Meg advocating for a plan that decentralizes decisionmaking. This minimizes both their own agency and that of other, mistake-prone players in favor of group rule. There's towncred to be won but I wouldn't say any of this advocacy smacked of "desperate to leave"

259 I think is the nail in this coffin.

Hi Koba!
I am not going to trust fall with you (at least today)
Also please retract your trusts until we can discuss them first please.

If Meg is so eager to leave, Infinity hasn't shown up at this point. Just take it. Retracting trusts is both potentially fatal, especially in a Infinity/Meg world where in Pooky's view they are apt to be paired off.

I think there are further posts here, such as 306 and Meg's townread on inutile, but I would much rather Pooky highlight exactly which posts of Meg's are "desperate to leave" and have a desire to leave shine through.

[Faker]

That being said, I think Pooky has just about townlocked himself for me, I feel good about faker too, and I'm probably ok on skit and enchant.

Good analysis, tone, and basically does not at all sound like my experience with scum!pooky as I mentioned last night

Granted that was only one game, and I'm not shooting off a trust yet, but if we still had 2 scum I'd be giving trust there already.

What do you think about Meg?

Also curious why skitter is so far up there for you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

There are a lot of posts I can highlight that I think point towards the opposite — the first 15 posts of the game, for example, have Meg advocating for a plan that decentralizes decisionmaking. This minimizes both their own agency and that of other, mistake-prone players in favor of group rule. There's towncred to be won but I wouldn't say any of this advocacy smacked of "desperate to leave"

I didn't read the first couple of pages of the game at that point.

I said the desperation feeling came from my sense of her posting after infinity left with koba

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If Meg is so eager to leave, Infinity hasn't shown up at this point. Just take it. Retracting trusts is both potentially fatal, especially in a Infinity/Meg world where in Pooky's view they are apt to be paired off.

I don't think trust retraction is a valid fear when it comes to someone like koba.

also once an opportunity has been presented it kind of sticks to you.

[Faker]

I trust Meg

Don't accept if you're town, just acknowledge and move on, can lead a horse to water but can't make this dude get his head out of the sand and think for 5 seconds.

[Faker]

Sometimes I give up on players and this is one of those times.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

There is no issue with the "tiers" of trust presented by Pooky, at least as a useful tool of thinking about the game, though it is critical to understand that the tiers do not actually equate to being town.

I am aware of the argument that Infinity thought strategically rather than left myself and Koba to our own devices. I think this assumption is a mistake, because it relies on all of the town deciding to move forward with that plan and it not getting changed up. This is a big assumption — there's a reason I briefly entertained Infinity accepting as town. I was very worried that people would townread Koba for throwing (and indeed, those people would have been right)

It also depends on Infinity being able to successfully convince a second townsperson to trust her. One world has her partner in Meg/Enchant, and being scared of pairing with the wrong one. Similarly, Meg/Enchant pairing up leaves her out, and pairing outside leaves her with a chance of going with her partner.

The final element of this is just the time constraint. Skitter responded to my timestamps by pointing out there was

some

time to strategize, however this was very minimal, no more than 7/8 minutes at most. It is very difficult to work through all of the pairing suggestions, possibilities, etc. in that time even if you take the above assumptions as a given. Infinity would not, which adds some stress. She showed up, she read, and she made her decision all in the span of that 13 minutes.

yea you're probably right that it's more like infinity made a snap decision rather than planned deeply in a few minutes or had pre-planned anything

[Faker]

If I am wrong and Meg is scum it's a wellearned win.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I trust Meg

Don't accept if you're town, just acknowledge and move on, can lead a horse to water but can't make this dude get his head out of the sand and think for 5 seconds.

well if this loses the game I get to say I told you so and if this is fine then you saved me a lot of time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I am wrong and Meg is scum it's a wellearned win.

kinda disagree but w/e

[Faker]

And you wasted a ton of mine

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we're here to play a game and lay out our thought process.

if you are not interested in playing the game then ~shrug~ ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I've played scum with infinity,

one thing she loves to do is give out easy townreads like candy.(when she's scum)

but she won't tie herself to her teammate cuz it's bad for associatives and also its kinda shitty for 2nd scum.

if meg is sooooo obvtown, why does infinity's early iso not include a meg townread?