Micro 1026: 09:12 | Game Over

[Alisae]

I think Datisi is town based on my conversation with him on D2. They strongly believed it was not Save the Dragons for reasons that were good and when I asked them "who dun it" it seemed like they just didn't know since we talked about IV prior. I genuinely believe he didn't know anything. Very hard to fake.
I don't buy that IV's actions come from scum. Period. End of discussion there. And honestly even if they do, I will give Datisi his win. He deserves it. His actions during the duration of the game compared to the events that happened in the game do not match with what scum wants to be doing. It's much more likely the guy just doesn't know anything.
Both of the players above if scum consider me fooled.

I have a really hard time seeing ur actions based on this day phase alone as villagery.
I can sense the unease you feel knowing that you just played right into my hands.
I can sense the danger you feel as you as you quickly switch your target from IV to me knowing that IV might just not be possible.

[Alisae]

I think ur push on IV comes from scum. That's about it really

[Dwlee99]

No, I'm gonna get jailkept tonight after we kill IV and then I'm gonna vote you and we can hand Datisi the win like you want if you and IV are town.

[Alisae]

that's really cute that you think you have any authority in deciding that

[Dwlee99]

I'm obvtown but okay

[Dwlee99]

Datisi gets to win if both of you are town cause you'd both be playing terribly

[Dwlee99]

Also this is a totally incongruency with your play under the M&M account so yea you actually might be more likely scum than IV here now. You've even got the scum gloat

[Dwlee99]

For future reference, it will almost always work better to buddy me as scum

[Alisae]

I'm obvtown

im sorry i don't see it how?

[Dwlee99]

Okay lemme reproduce the towncase I've already done on myself again, this time computer edition

[Dwlee99]

1.) Faker slot was obvtown. You even said you were probably never voting Faker slot because of it.

[Dwlee99]

2.) This whole sequence

VOTE: georgebailey

VOTE: George

Rn I'm going all in on "dats has scum read on person he seems sure about" because of the time he nailed Ico day one in Garfield minus Garfield mini normal.

to be precise, i don't have a scumread on georgebailey, i have an absence of a townread due to absence of [thing]

which is different than a full blown scumread, but if george is insisting on not playing the game, then it half turns into policy so /shrug

Not town = scums

Sounds like meta but we will ignore that for now

absence of a townread =/= scumread

in that game, scum fucked up by saying something scummy
rn george is not saying something townie
but absence of evidence isn't evidence of absense or something like that

Sounds like meta but we will ignore that for now

also my read in that game was 100% meta but you weren't complaining about the d1 scumflip were you

Okay look meta bad but that game he did scummy thing and it just so happened that he had done said scummy thing a different time as well so it made it extra bad. Meta still bad though, he was just caught on doing scummy thing.

[Dwlee99]

3.) I was saying we should conftown STD instead of Mathblade D2 because I was pretty sure Math was town anyway

If scum!std then he is blocked anyway. STD is good at the game so he is a good confirmed town

Happy scum day

I think STD is good to keep around if he is town and if he isn't we lim him tomorrow because he is being jailkept anyway so another no kill would be a pseudo guilty. Scum also have to decide if they even want to kill when the follower can catch them.

If you jail STD tonight and a kill happens he is confirmed. How is this keeping him alive for a mislim?

Here's STD's reads btw, where if I'm scum I have literally no reason to want to keep STD alive and conftown.

i don't think it's you
i don't think it's datisi
i don't think it's math

i think it's IV
if not it's like dwlee or norwee or something
if not fuck me

i feel like scum IV could have just gone along with the STD killing plan though so i'm definitely not confident

[Dwlee99]

4.) Further anti-associatives from the George himself, not me just voting him

I only really have time to look at mathblade rn. My initial impression was "scum who doesn't get jokes" cause that's a read that can be strangely accurate.

But it seems like he's very serious most of them time. like:

Scum doesn't want the vote counts to be readable, clear protown agenda imo

This is NAI.

I have done the same as both alignments.
I struggle reading neon and mods use it anyway so I give up asking.

seems genuine.

I also love this interaction though.

It kinda is though. If you’ve skimmed enough to have an opinion then you’ve skimmed enough to be held to it.

VOTE: Dwlee

I don’t like their ISO.

And if Dwlee flips scum I have a gut read M&Ms is.

Like I kinda wanna vote M&Ms based on gut but Dwlee is more likely.

Ok I read a bit THEN I thought "hey I'll ISO marci!" and then I skimmed it because I can't read but what I noticed is that Marci hasn't placed a vote the entire game. So I crossreferenced this with the mini that t3 just hosted where she vote parked on scum. And I think here she comes across like she is afraid to place a vote so therefore
VOTE: Marci

It feels like DWlee was pressured by Mathblade to make a vote and then dropped one on Marci haphazardly.

If Dwlee is scum then I don't see Mathblade as being scum here.

No opinion on Unwnd. It seemed like that whole Krazy-alt fiasco muddied things up for me.



I'll get to you later but uh i gotta leave now sorry

See large bolded. If I'm scum with george why would he be willing to give towncred to a slot if I flipped. It doesn't make sense.

[Dwlee99]

5.) Expanding on the earlier point, look at how fast George is to just cede to me. He knew his case was dumb cause I'm town

Look at time stamps. That post had nothing to do with Mathblade.

My b, those were only like 3 minutes apart yeah. Unless your wpm is like 300 and this is a ruse.

I’d probably be TRing math if I didn’t feel he was a strong scum player but unwnd was fine so

I'd be TRing you rn if u wrnt so tilted xd

[Dwlee99]

6.) Timestamps on these posts. You think I hop onto the strongman's wagon, ask Mathblade to tell me if his analysis says the strongman is evil, and then I just peace out of the thread for a whole day. I'd probably be trying to do literally anything to not let the lim go through like hopping back onto Marci or onto another wagon. This reminds me that some people were totally doing the "I could see town player x paired with GeorgeBailey, vote: x" and I need to revisit that.

Does your analysis say George is evil

Goodnight friends

[Dwlee99]

Okay so now for the scumcase on Alisae if IV is town because the IV scumread I think I've already explained

[Dwlee99]

Votecount:

• GeorgeBailey (4): Dwlee99, Datisi, MathBlade, Save The Dragons
  innocentvillager (2): GeorgeBailey, NorwegianboyEE
  marcistar (1): The M&Ms
  NorwegianboyEE (1): innocentvillager
  Save The Dragons (1): marcistar

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-09-03 14:04:01).
MOD NOTES: I'm doing VCs by hand so let me know if there are any errors.

probs want to changes The M&Ms to Alisae

also
VOTE: george

Bad hammer. Doesn't care about claim cause if he's scum he knows what it'll flip.

This game is over, let's start by massclaiming. This is the order I propose.

Marci
Ali
Math
IV
Datisi
Dwlee
STD
Norwee

I'll be honest I do not care when I claim but Norwee's position I will not change.

@STD, Dwlee, Norwee

- Any objections or positions that you want moved?

Proposes mass claim to out the jailkeeper and all the VTs to narrow down who the last PR is. I probably went too hard "slipping" that I'm a PR cause Norwee ended up dead, but the mass claim basically told who the PR was when another townie night kill would have clinched the game for us.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee I'm really not buying it

Dwlee I'm really not buying it

Okay, so it is Datisi? Or what?

please continue

very cool dwlee
what else ya got

i'm not buyin IV
and I'm not buyin it's Datisi
only 1 option left really

This is just textbook scum gloating

[Dwlee99]

that's really cute that you think you have any authority in deciding that

also this one

[Dwlee99]

I think Datisi is town based on my conversation with him on D2. They strongly believed it was not Save the Dragons for reasons that were good and when I asked them "who dun it" it seemed like they just didn't know since we talked about IV prior. I genuinely believe he didn't know anything. Very hard to fake.
I don't buy that IV's actions come from scum. Period. End of discussion there. And honestly even if they do, I will give Datisi his win. He deserves it. His actions during the duration of the game compared to the events that happened in the game do not match with what scum wants to be doing. It's much more likely the guy just doesn't know anything.
Both of the players above if scum consider me fooled.

The reasoning on IV is completely shallow

I have a really hard time seeing ur actions based on this day phase alone as villagery.

Analyzing my play in a vacuum in this day phase instead of the fact I've thought it was IV for literally forever and I'm presenting good reasons for him to be scum

I can sense the unease you feel knowing that you just played right into my hands.

Nonsense gut read

I can sense the danger you feel as you as you quickly switch your target from IV to me knowing that IV might just not be possible.

oh no they caught me

[Dwlee99]

IV + Math or Dwlee's Marci concern is on the money and so were my gut concerns. It's not impossible for it to be george but either my reads are shit and he is or I have too many suspects and its likely that he's just not it. who knows mafia is a weird game.

I am probably never voting Faker slot.
I would rather vote one in the first 3 before voting Datisi.
I have not been presented with a reason to vote STD. Honestly same goes to IV I kinda don't get that one but I can see unwnd + IV being a team so like /shrug. Kinda leaving STD to the side for now.
don't have a norwee read yet. No reason to right now anyways. Tho I'm actually kinda mad that he won't let me troll him as easily

I feel like contributing so these are just my thoughts. I may or may not go back to trolling or actually contributing based on mood.

Dwlee I wouldn't worry about the pressure from math too much.
It's either irrelevant or its scum.
In one case you want to just let it do its own thing (talking sometimes doesn't rly help), the other you want to kill it.

I think we can kill it but like tbh idrc. Math gets easier to read overtime anyways.

it ain't IV
it ain't dwlee
and we can just keep a jailkeeper on STD for the rest of the game and honestly I'm happy with that.

idunno this game is over
Faker is not a wolf.
Datisi you're not a wolf
IV doesn't make sense to be a wolf and if he is like bro guy can't even win. Also throughout the whole game he defended MathBlade you think this guy's stances come from scum? 0 chance. Nada. Nope.
Norwee not a wolf.
Marci not a wolf.
Mathblade not a wolf.

Like hello?
Dats do you think it's me?

me
Datisi
Dwlee
IV
Marci

Dwlee I'm really not buying it

Here is Alisae's progression on me. Can't tell if it's worse than IV's but it's awful either way. Like I'm locktown, I should ignore Math's push, etc. buddying posts and then after I come up with this whole case against IV it's a total pivot to me being scum. Scum!Alisae would see that an IV flip is inevitable if I flip, so my flip seals his win condition.

[Dwlee99]

why the hell do people think i'm a masochist and insist on turbobussing my strongman for the whole goddamn day 1 when i know very well that 99/100 ends in me entering autoloss

And if it isn't IV then PoE means it is Alisae anyway

[Dwlee99]

Okay now here's some addendums to the IV scum case from earlier cause I am bored and took my concentration pills today so I'm popping off

[Dwlee99]

hi

im scared of spewing my partner as well

VOTE: Datisi clearly scum

;)

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