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[Nathann]

I didn't read everything in depth but I actually expect if it's DGB that DGB would have a kind of grandiose interaction with ythan based on dead silence III that just ended. In my skimming I didn't find anything though so I'm pretty sure it's just enchant

Could you elaborate on this a bit? And I see that Enchant was Town in that game, alive late into it, and their posts actually seem to be

trying

to play the game, as opposed to their last Day here which honestly feels like lolcatting to me. How do they compare elsewise?

[Nathann]

My biggest problems with DGB is the somewhat lack of transparency (which by itself isn't Scummy but my god it does it make solving that much more difficult) and the convenient posts around Ythan/GrandpaMo.

[Dwlee99]

DGB and Thor had an elaborate SvS interaction at one point. I'll find it in a bit.

I agree on Enchant. In would you like to be my hydra I felt like he was trying to do something and made the first move to vote scum in ELO whereas here he feels less proactive than there (and definitely less proactive than dead silence 3)

[Enchant]

Plottwist:
Kazyan is Mafia.

... No, really. I expect that. Ythan accusation on Kazyan was... Eh. Like way to say "we are not partnered, honest!"

Ythan did nothing to protect self and made really bad accusation on Kazyan. Considering Ythan was kinda drowning already...


Don't mind me. I just making my last call before demise. But if i was right, i will laugh.

[Nathann]

So you think Ythan's vote on Kazyan at the end of Day 1 was also distancing?

[Enchant]

I will tell you one secret.

Some people are not same.
I act differently as town and mafia always. Because alignment doesh't really affect my touch with game.

[Enchant]

So you think Ythan's vote on Kazyan at the end of Day 1 was also distancing?

Day 1 is rarely matters, everyone just screwing around.
I see mafia SO OFTEN VOTING EACH OTHER ON DAY 1 (knowing it doesh't endanger but will give distancing points regardless), so i am more surprised when i don't see that.


Don't think too much about it, it's mine probably insane though.

[Nathann]

Except that Day 1 vote was at (I believe) less than 24 hours left, it brought Kazyan up to 4 votes, and at the time there was no counterwagon. I don't think that can be classified as a vote that "doesn't endanger".

Granted, it was after Dwlee and I unvoted there, so maybe an argument could be made it wasn't

that

much of a dangerous vote, but still - your last post (where you plainly dismiss it as "Day 1 rarely matters" while not really looking at the context or timing of the vote) doesn't give me the feeling you're trying to actually figure out if you're wrong or not.

[Enchant]

Yeah. I am just quessing. Kazyan is Mafia.

I already told that. I am not trying to prove you anything.

[Nathann]

Why do you seem utterly disinterested in trying to figure the game out?

[Nathann]

I'm hearing Andres's voice who's telling me this is too wacky to be Scum, and that means it's bed time for me.

Kazyan, why do you want to discuss DGB Today if you're already set on yeeting Enchant?

[Dwlee99]

Is there something that made you stop thinking it was Nathan?

[Dwlee99]

The best piece of evidence I can give is that I never treat my scum partner like this, and DGB never reacts like this if we're partners

I don't think I've ever interacted with a scum partner like this ever. It's very unnecessary for DGB and I as scum to both hard push each other in this manner when the most vital thing at that stage would be looking for masons and getting info from wagons on potential masons or VTs

Also, the reason why DGB's reaction is so bad is because they're either (1) trying to counterwagon someone since they were the main wagon
or (2) actually genuinely confused about the setup and thinks what I did was me as scum scumclaiming
(1) can't be the case because they're not gonna try to counterwagon a scum buddy,
and (2) can't be the case because scum have a PT and DGB would never be confused about what I did in the first place, since there would be communication

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Weird that they insist on not posting in the mason PT, despite my several questions towards them. Also didn't like their vote on Enchant.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Weird that they insist on not posting in the mason PT, despite my several questions towards them. Also didn't like their vote on Enchant.

What the hell is that????

You are not my mason.

VOTE: Thor

100% Thor is scum, I am not moving my vote.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Weird that they insist on not posting in the mason PT, despite my several questions towards them. Also didn't like their vote on Enchant.

thor's motives are beyond mortal understanding

HE IS NOT MY MASON AND HE NEEDS TO DIE

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Weird that they insist on not posting in the mason PT, despite my several questions towards them. Also didn't like their vote on Enchant.

thor's motives are beyond mortal understanding

Show me the coords

i hope this clears things up

Why didn't you just post these before...

I'll send Dwlee and DGB pms to see if we can work something out

JUMP OFF A SPEEDBUMP, SCUM

Show me the coords

i hope this clears things up

Why didn't you just post these before...

I'll send Dwlee and DGB pms to see if we can work something out

DIE SCUM DIE

What a ridiculous overreaction, please tell me people don't believe that

VOTE: DrippingGoofBall







edited for VC
-Pooky

DGB has the capacity to recognise humour, they're not dumb as bricks, so they must be scum

Actually unbelievable you think DGB's reaction is real there

They don't know if I'm or anyone I talk to is actually a mason or not though, I'm obfuscating and making it harder for them to determine that

DGB's reaction is illogical on so many levels that I'm actually astounded others don't see it the same way

There's "randomly claiming mason" and "randomly claiming mason with a player being wagoned while spouting off that THAT PLAYER ISN'T RESPONDING ON THE MASON PT."

For DGB to fail to recognise the WIFOM/joke of my statement, they would need to think I am scum genuinely claiming I'm a mason with them, and hoping this is a good play for me and that they'd go along with it.

They're calling me scum because they think me claiming mason with them is an actual viable strategy for me to make as scum. There is no way they actually believe that.

Where did Thor claim mason with everyone and it's a joke I missed?

I have never played with Thor before, the shading and the VOTE smelled of scum gambit.

Please explain what the "gambit" is there, what's my goal?

Please explain what the "gambit" is there, what's my goal?

You tell me it's your dumb gambit

Yes I did miss 191. It sounds more like a scum PT joke.

Never mind then I guess I misinterpreted.

DGB can't come up with a reason for what the "gambit" is, if they can't think of a reason why scum would do it over it simply being WIFOM/a joke, their thought process just isn't genuine. They're scum who latched onto the first thing they could given they're getting heavily wagoned

Pedit: hmm

Here is the SvS interaction between DGB and Thor. I'm noticing now that DGB did the die scum die thing which I feel like might be emulating town meta. In this game I questioned DGB on not having the same fire as LN 233 and it responded with the die scum die thing on ythan like it did to me in LN 233 and like it did to Thor in dead silence.

[Dwlee99]

In 233 we were both town to be clear

[Enchant]

Why do you seem utterly disinterested in trying to figure the game out?

1. I have no damn idea, so i can actually only make insane quesses. I don't want actually to quess someone wrong and then get elimmed anyway (which is instant loss). You (means not only you, everyone else too) have better chances to figure it our than me, i will only distraction.
2. You not gonna believe me anyway, disregard what i say today and go wild. I don't think my voice matter from grave, because again, i am bad at persuading and explaining things.


Just make me one promise. No-Elim next day. Don't even try to say "Oh, we have one confirmed townie, don't want to lose!". Because no one damn confirmed. 3 people is better than 4. Pretty enough to bust our chances from 0 to 1%.

I am not attacking Bulletproof claim directly, could be legit, but still it's not clear on 100%. Mafia dies as strongman and "bah", mafia hit me! Immediatly yeah!

I also can imagine how moderator laughts and puts "Strongman" which can use ability only on damn 1n. Imagine quessing Bulletproof on Day 1...
Or... Is this to force mafia to think there's protective PR, so they can kill confirmed IC? But it's damn useless without protectors... So basically it's for forcing mafia to kill IC 1n, because "no other chance". Then i can only wonder, about what mafia was informed.

... Well. Seems like i can only trashtalk about setup. Again.

[Dwlee99]

Oh people should claim unless it's a role that can confirm itself

Unless there's something else in the game I don't see how the setup could be IC + named townie vs N1 strongman + ?? and be balanced.

[Dwlee99]

White flag is 47.8% chance of winning random elims and town only need to hit two of three. Hitting two of two with only an IC and backup watcher is much harder than white flag so I don't think it would pass balance review

[Enchant]

Well, we on 33% chance of win for now if we elim me (50% from townie perspective, where townie simple votes one of two suspects. After that he need also not getting hammered, so... Well maybe less than 50%, but still solid).

Interesting thing is, i don't really sure if my elim busts our chances to win or decrease.
Like, i most likely can persuade you if try harder, then... Who we will elim? Because i told already, i am semiblind now. We elim townie (or mafia, but i don't really believe in that). And then it will be even harder for me to off from the hook, but there will be win on stake. Nah...

I go to sleep.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 5.1

Not Voting(4)Kazyan;DrippingGoofball;Enchant;geraintm;

Enchant

MargotRosa

(2)Nathann;Dwlee99;

Kazyan (0)

Nathann (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

Dwlee99 (0)

geraintm (0)

No Elimination (0)

With 6 alive it is 4 to execute.

Day 5 ends in (expired on 2021-09-23 04:25:00) or when an elimination has been achieved.

Still valid.

[DrippingGoofball]

I wish the OP was updated.

[DrippingGoofball]

Anyhoo

There are 2 scum left.

It's not me, it's not geraintm, it's not Nathann, it's not Kazyan.

It's

Dwlee and Enchant

, that's my solve.

I'm willing to vote Enchant if you all can promise not to eat each other alive if I'm dead tomorrow while scum!Dwlee chews gum.

[Dwlee99]

Why are you still ignoring what I'm posting

[Kazyan]

Kazyan, why do you want to discuss DGB Today if you're already set on yeeting Enchant?

I want to double-check my work with you, gera, and Dwlee to make sure I've got this right before we take the plunge and commit to eliminating exactly Enchant -> DGB. It will also help if we're all on the same page and committed to this solve in case Enchant flips green and we (maybe) do that No Elimination in his honor--I don't want an endgame with something like town!gera, town!Dwlee, and scum!DGB, where after so much downtime, DGB manages to smooth-talk gera into voting Dwlee.

gera, do you have any thoughts on DGB? If not, I'll place my vote.

[Kazyan]

That said, I'm starting to think I want to do DGB today?

[DrippingGoofball]

Why are you still ignoring what I'm posting

Because you're scum.