Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Mirio]

Yes. I can go check again if you’d like.

[Bell]

Any thoughts about Wheme, Krow, Mom, Sircakez that I missed?

[Mirio]

Could easily be scum, was debating voting based on lack of nancy, seems fine at the moment but I’d like her scumreads to not both be alts, and likewise for cakez- He goes on to say I’m still scummy but then moves his vote and doesn’t try to push me (while also questioning why I said I missed more engagement from him)

[Toogeloo]

+Town points to Mom for joining raid first.

Why is this a town tell?

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Mastina's role seems a little too good to be true. If stopping raid success is important to scum, then she could be dead soon. However, if scum don't care about stopping the raid's success, this could just be an easy attempt at buying town cred. This raid has the benefit of being +1 to applicable roles, but other raids down the line are likely not going to be the same and mastina's role might lose strength as well, but might have curried enough favor with either faction to maintain her presence. In other words, I still need to be made a believer based on play or as we eventually uncover more of the setup, and not on claim alone.

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Btw, we should not have anyone from raid 1 go on raid 2.

Because scum either have to let raids succeed or give us information, we should not have overlap if it helps.

I'm not entirely sure this is a good idea. All this is suggesting is opening up the likelihood of scum being on raids regardless. It may be better to "vote" people into raids, though voting 8 people in seems a bit monumental of a task and a lot of time to be had. But really, the 8 people in the raid should almost all be people widely town read as best as we can get them.

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I like this mastina post better.

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Reads are in no particular order outside of their categories, and my reads are always fluid, based on my impression of the slot, and likely to change, especially on Day 1.

[T]
Bell
ArcAngel9
Mirio
RealCheeks
Elsa Jay
mastina

[N]
Whemestar
Save The Dragons
Head One and Head Two
dwlee99
tictac
Momrangal
Mystic Bears
Mandelbrot
Tomorrow Corporation

Titus
SirCakez
Qrow and Raven
Sakura Hana
Romance

(Through Page 10 so far)

[RealCheeks]

I don't know who you are but trying to present yourself as a weak little innocent player to avoid scumhunting looks like your strategy here.

Double ouch! :/
~C

[RealCheeks]

The point of the post is that I’ve made a decision to judge Elsa based on their AtE about them rolling scum a lot and sort of rolling over and admitting they were suspicious.

While also saying hey, Sircakez vote on Elsa for the reasons stated and their singular focus sucks.

If multiball the sircakez onto Elsa could still be SvS
~C

[Mandelbrot]

The point of the post is that I’ve made a decision to judge Elsa based on their AtE about them rolling scum a lot and sort of rolling over and admitting they were suspicious.

While also saying hey, Sircakez vote on Elsa for the reasons stated and their singular focus sucks.

If multiball the sircakez onto Elsa could still be SvS
~C

Why couldn't it be single ball distancing?

- House

[RealCheeks]

fix ur dissonance

No u.
~C

[RealCheeks]

The point of the post is that I’ve made a decision to judge Elsa based on their AtE about them rolling scum a lot and sort of rolling over and admitting they were suspicious.

While also saying hey, Sircakez vote on Elsa for the reasons stated and their singular focus sucks.

If multiball the sircakez onto Elsa could still be SvS
~C

Why couldn't it be single ball distancing?

- House

Timing, unless Elsa role gives bonus for being eliminated.
~C

[RealCheeks]

You voted someone and then developed reads on other players. In a catch up post.

Why even vote someone if you don’t have enough information to see whether they’re going to end up being your ultimate vote five minutes from then? It reads backwards.

Quality post. Fine bell can be town.
~C

[RealCheeks]

oh yeah I had meant to say something to that realcheeks post
that looks worse than what t3 posted imo

-Qrow

Explain Gamma you scumbutt.
~C

[RealCheeks]

Qrow and Raven (Gamma Emerald + Nancy Drew 39) - Town
mastina - Lock town
RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)
Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal)
tictac - Locktown
Mandelbrot (House + Yume) - Hard town
Bell - Town
Mirio - Lock town
Tomorrow Corporation - Hard town

I am very comfortable with these reads.
-T3

Where are the hydra reads?
~C

[RealCheeks]

You voted someone and then developed reads on other players. In a catch up post.

Why even vote someone if you don’t have enough information to see whether they’re going to end up being your ultimate vote five minutes from then? It reads backwards.

Not really buying this post as genuine.

I'm pretty sure we're all aware there is more than one scum.

Oh... we are not vibing on this post.
~C

[RealCheeks]

Dwlee is tonally town
mastina is vaguely town
Sakura is definitely town from what I very vaguely remember from her meta

Head One and Head Two have been posting a lot but I feel nothing from their posts. Scum probably?

Still reading

these reads feel overly hedgy

I don’t agree with it but that doesn’t make it scum.

another bad post from Mirio again reads LAMISTy

I gave Cakez the opportunity to engage and he opted not to.

lol what?

HAVENT READ BUT

join raid join raid join raid

(SirCakez is another 1-2% scum name here.)

I mean Mirio is right but am I that different from Nancy?
There’s also the fact that I am male and Qrow is male
-Qrow (aka Gamma)

However I think I have a much better vote now.

VOTE: Qrow and Raven.
Pretty sure they're scum. Like, compared to the 1-2% of SirCakez and RealCheeks, this is a solid 50-75%. Not 100% for sure but pretty damn high.
(To be clear, these percentages are on a scale of 0 to 100, where 0 is neutral, dead-null, and 100 is guaranteed scum.)

This is further indication that mastina is town but I don’t believe her SR on us is real

-Qrow

I concur with this
Or mastina just RNGed it

this also doesn't vibe that well
VOTE: cakez

-Qrow

Maybe Cakez is just LHF as I initially thought since both Elsa and now Gamma are voting there when there seems to be enough interest in thread to lim there.
~C

[Toogeloo]

I very much like Mandelbrot's posts in the teens pages. There was a lot of discussion of alts and horseplay during this time, but House was all business here. I ended up skimming a lot of 11-20 because the discussion wasn't very serious. I went from liking to hating Elsa during this time though.

[T]
Bell
ArcAngel9
Mirio
RealCheeks
mastina
dwlee99
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears

[N]
Whemestar
Save The Dragons
Head One and Head Two
tictac
Momrangal
Tomorrow Corporation

Titus
SirCakez
Qrow and Raven
Sakura Hana
Romance
Elsa Jay

[RealCheeks]

Town
Mandelbrot, mastina, Mirio, Head One and Head Two
Mystic Bears, Sakura Hana, Romance, dwlee99, Bell
Save The Dragons, Titus, tictac, Whemestar
Elsa Jay, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation, Momrangal, Toogeloo
RealCheeks
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SirCakez
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Scum

this is approximately where I'm at reads wise, EJ shares space with my nulls but is there for mix of towny and scummy vs. being true null

-Qrow

This will be important. Concensus-y anyone?
Seriously when tf am I going to get to play a towngame with Nancy :/
~C

[RealCheeks]

VOTE: Q&R
~C

[Head One and Head Two]

Qrow and Raven (Gamma Emerald + Nancy Drew 39) - Town
mastina - Lock town
RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)
Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal)
tictac - Locktown
Mandelbrot (House + Yume) - Hard town
Bell - Town
Mirio - Lock town
Tomorrow Corporation - Hard town

I am very comfortable with these reads.
-T3

What's your RealCheeks read? I notice you didn't include them in 787.

lean town

[Qrow and Raven]

myeah this straight up doesn't feel like cheeky!town at all
-Qrow

[RealCheeks]

myeah this straight up doesn't feel like cheeky!town at all
-Qrow

You should know that's blatantly false. If you think you can easily get me limmed today you got another thing coming buster.
~C

[RealCheeks]

oh yeah I had meant to say something to that realcheeks post
that looks worse than what t3 posted imo

-Qrow

Explain Gamma you scumbutt.
~C

Also answer this Gamma.
~C

[Qrow and Raven]

myeah this straight up doesn't feel like cheeky!town at all
-Qrow

You should know that's blatantly false. If you think you can easily get me limmed today you got another thing coming buster.
~C

suuure
the fact I'm not coming after you harder should honestly let you know I'm town
I think your hydra's been kinda suspect, but it's my meta with you and RCE's self-meta that's been holding me back

oh yeah I had meant to say something to that realcheeks post
that looks worse than what t3 posted imo

-Qrow

Explain Gamma you scumbutt.
~C

Also answer this Gamma.
~C

the delayed TR on mirio was kinda bad timing-wise but I didn't like how you hopped on it
the way you lorded the diminished townread over T3 looked manipulative

-Qrow

[Toogeloo]

OK so Mastina claim problem, from the chaotically screwed up but mechanically functional mind of Flea.

Mastina's claim only gives us today as a solid success. Future raids are not locked in to be successful even with Mastina alive, I suspect the future raids will have different rewards.

So assuming today succeeds, I assume the mod has taken measures to prevent breakage of the game from this, and we only get say a maximum of 2 successes. Mastina's smart enough to not announce when the second shot is used, and can be on a raid that fails with plausible deniability.

Placing Mastina onto every raid to set a success removes a potential PoE tool for town.
A failed raid gives us a pool of 8 to hunt in, we know we have a minimum of at least 1 to find, and a pool of 8 is much better than a pool of 20+ even if we're looking for multiple. Mastina is a massive double edge sword here for this one reason.

Anyone townreading Mastina on claim credibility needs to step back and reassess if possible. Mastina's above null for me rn personally, but that's because I know she can powerwolf and there's something not sitting well with me with that firsts reads list.

Mastina doesn't need to use her ability to make a raid succeed I'm guessing, especially if confidence is high that most on the raid are town. This is why I postulated the idea that we "vote" the most town read players on to the raids. A raid failing that contains the most town read players outs deep wolves, which is a bonus. Having Mastina on raids though, whether she uses the ability or not can fux with scum through WIFOM if she is town. I don't think anyone should be on a raid though without receiving approval from multiple other players for being on the raid.

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ftr multiple sum factions being in a raid and disagreeing on success/fail would lead to undefined behaviour.
so glaring design flaw in the ruleset or this is in fact single ball.

I don't think this is the case. I think that scum would likely know this is multi-ball based on faction sizes, and even if they didn't, all this does is reveal to one scum team that another scum team exists.

second:
In post 2, GuyInFreezer wrote:
If at least one member of the hostile factions are in the raid group, the said member will decide whether the raid succeeds or fail.


pedit @qrow

The quoted text is ambiguous. It states "factions" which can be inferred that multiple hostile factions exists, and hostile factions aren't just hostile to town. In multi-ball, or third party setups, they are hostile to each other as well.

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I'm going to do phys hw

I've played too much FFXIV and read this as you were playing physical dps in Heavensward the first time I saw it.

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How does one add a 1-shot to a VT?

This seems like a blatant attempt to get some town credit.

tictac is mechanically town; just trust me on this one. I'll elaborate on day 4 so hold me to this.

I am a pacifist so I will be opting to glare very menacingly at suspects to intimidate them into speaking.

Menacing glare at SirCakez

I will remove my vote before the hammer to stop any damages claims.

I don't even know what to make of your posts at this point.

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Actually, going to correct this slightly,

How many scum are usually in a game this size? 7?
That's still 7:21/1:3. Drop that down to a pool of 8 and it's still much much easier to look at a pool of 8 over a pool of 20

I mean, if we want to math... only 1 scum needs to be on the raid to make it fail. So 1 in 8 or 7 in 21? What's better odds of finding scum? That being said, I still continue to push for only having the most town read people in raids for as long as possible. Force scum to let the raid pass or expose themselves as a deep wolf.

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Dwlee is tonally town
mastina is vaguely town
Sakura is definitely town from what I very vaguely remember from her meta

Head One and Head Two have been posting a lot but I feel nothing from their posts. Scum probably?

Still reading

This comes from scum. Sakura is more than likely the partner here too.

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[T]
Bell
ArcAngel9
Mirio
RealCheeks
mastina
dwlee99
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears
tictac
Head One and Head Two

[N]
Whemestar
Save The Dragons
Momrangal
Tomorrow Corporation

Titus
SirCakez
Qrow and Raven
Sakura Hana
Romance
Elsa Jay

(through page 30)

[Toogeloo]

You might also be feeling the fact I haven't played town in legitimately a year while a few months back I played 4 scum games in a row.

I don't know how to play town anymore.

Me either. I get it.

anyone else think this sort of reads like buddies?[/quote]I want to scum read you, then you say this. I have both as scum reads, and I doubt you double bus partners here.

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Town
Mandelbrot, mastina, Mirio, Head One and Head Two
Mystic Bears, Sakura Hana, Romance, dwlee99, Bell
Save The Dragons, Titus, tictac, Whemestar
Elsa Jay, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation, Momrangal, Toogeloo
RealCheeks
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SirCakez
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Scum

this is approximately where I'm at reads wise, EJ shares space with my nulls but is there for mix of towny and scummy vs. being true null

-Qrow

Parsing your tier list, it looks like everyone is town except Cakez.

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Here is my final catch up Tier List.

[Town]
Bell
Mirio
RealCheeks
mastina
dwlee99
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears

[Lean Town]
tictac
ArcAngel9

[Null]
Momrangal
Tomorrow Corporation
Head One and Head Two

[Lean Scum]
Save The Dragons
Whemestar

Titus
SirCakez
Qrow and Raven
Sakura Hana
Romance
Elsa Jay

[Toogeloo]

Those are in no particular order still.