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[Dwlee99]

Vote Count 2.13

Cat Scratch Fever (3)

- DrippingGoofball, Titus, House

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

MathBlade (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, Kerset, Nero Cain, Almost50

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Ythan was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-28 07:50:24) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

[MathBlade]

Unless it's eliminated toDay, I'm Neighborizing DGB so we can trade gossip toMorrow if I live.

There's something else y'all can use to base a vote on me for.

Do not do this if Math flips town. There is a Traffic Analyst that needs to check DGB and if you neighborize it you will break the TA's result.

Why are we talking if I flip town?

I go off as asked and come back to this?

I don’t see myself living past tomorrow in most worlds as I will be shot.

Because if you are town, I think DGB is scum, and neighborizing it, or claiming to neighborize it, is a way to circumvent TA guilties. I am preempting this in case the team is House/DGB, to prevent them from wriggling out via this fakeclaim.

If you flip town, and House neighborizes DGB, I'll treat any "can communicate with living players" as a guilty on DGB. If that situation occurs, then DGB flips scum, House will be next. If DGB flips town there I would consider other options.

If I don't say any of this, House and DGB have plausible deniability (assuming you are town, assuming there is a TA). I need this out there for legacy in the event I am NKed after you are eliminated (which is what scum!DGB would be angling for right now if you are town).

Just covering my bases because if I'm wrong I think I die. If I'm right and you're scum though, none of this applies. Maybe I get killed, maybe not.

If you think I am scum then DGB is de facto scum.

Help me bus DGB.

[Dragon of the West]

There is nothing and the predecessor was scum and replaced out

Sell me on scum!Gamma because my townread on Gamma is still influencing my read of Ythan's slot, even though I don't think Ythan has seemed particularly townie

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Unless it's eliminated toDay, I'm Neighborizing DGB so we can trade gossip toMorrow if I live.

There's something else y'all can use to base a vote on me for.

Do not do this if Math flips town. There is a Traffic Analyst that needs to check DGB and if you neighborize it you will break the TA's result.

Why are we talking if I flip town?

I go off as asked and come back to this?

I don’t see myself living past tomorrow in most worlds as I will be shot.

Because if you are town, I think DGB is scum, and neighborizing it, or claiming to neighborize it, is a way to circumvent TA guilties. I am preempting this in case the team is House/DGB, to prevent them from wriggling out via this fakeclaim.

If you flip town, and House neighborizes DGB, I'll treat any "can communicate with living players" as a guilty on DGB. If that situation occurs, then DGB flips scum, House will be next. If DGB flips town there I would consider other options.

If I don't say any of this, House and DGB have plausible deniability (assuming you are town, assuming there is a TA). I need this out there for legacy in the event I am NKed after you are eliminated (which is what scum!DGB would be angling for right now if you are town).

Just covering my bases because if I'm wrong I think I die. If I'm right and you're scum though, none of this applies. Maybe I get killed, maybe not.

If you think I am scum then DGB is de facto scum.

Help me bus DGB.

Explain why DGB is scum with you "de facto"

[Kerset]

If math is town then DGB has to be neighbor already. Then TA will always give "can communicate with living players" anyway. I don't get your point green kerset.

[MathBlade]

Unless it's eliminated toDay, I'm Neighborizing DGB so we can trade gossip toMorrow if I live.

There's something else y'all can use to base a vote on me for.

Do not do this if Math flips town. There is a Traffic Analyst that needs to check DGB and if you neighborize it you will break the TA's result.

Why are we talking if I flip town?

I go off as asked and come back to this?

I don’t see myself living past tomorrow in most worlds as I will be shot.

Because if you are town, I think DGB is scum, and neighborizing it, or claiming to neighborize it, is a way to circumvent TA guilties. I am preempting this in case the team is House/DGB, to prevent them from wriggling out via this fakeclaim.

If you flip town, and House neighborizes DGB, I'll treat any "can communicate with living players" as a guilty on DGB. If that situation occurs, then DGB flips scum, House will be next. If DGB flips town there I would consider other options.

If I don't say any of this, House and DGB have plausible deniability (assuming you are town, assuming there is a TA). I need this out there for legacy in the event I am NKed after you are eliminated (which is what scum!DGB would be angling for right now if you are town).

Just covering my bases because if I'm wrong I think I die. If I'm right and you're scum though, none of this applies. Maybe I get killed, maybe not.

If you think I am scum then DGB is de facto scum.

Help me bus DGB.

Explain why DGB is scum with you "de facto"

Because no nightkill overnight.

I as scum do not no kill with a vig crumb
A (redacted crumb) which I signaled I saw
A (redacted crumb) from today
A (redacted crumb) of X
And a buddy who is an invest dying on D1.

That does not happen.

Therefore House town DGB scum has to be true in a me scum world.

So help me “bus” DGB.

[MathBlade]

If math is town then DGB has to be neighbor already. Then TA will always give "can communicate with living players" anyway. I don't get your point green kerset.

Unless Kyo is scum who is gonna kill me.

That’s the only way her plan works.

She has to wait until I flip which makes the TA a duh.

If anything she could use the TA on House.

Wait for him to say CSFs role then see if he has a hood or not.

Then if he doesn’t he’s either town or traitor (my suspicion).

Or he’s scum because he has a hood and said a role for CSF.

[MathBlade]

The worst thing is that House gets shot tonight.

Which means they shoot an unconfirmed player instead of me who can stop kills
Over X who has said they are (blah)
Over Y who has crumbed (blah)

The second worst is that scum shoot CSF which means the pullers away from DGB are more than likely scum.

I think good plan but most likely result is I die and a 1v1 between House and CSF
With TA bringing up a check on House

[Dragon of the West]

Also, I feel a bit like House is just aimless and I'm not sure if that's really a town mindsight. Can I get some opinions on House not using his rolecop ability last night?

Vote Count 2.11

Cat Scratch Fever (E-2)

- DrippingGoofball, Titus, House, Almost50, MathBlade

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

DrippingGoofball (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Cat Scratch Fever was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-27 08:19:12) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

yeow at me being the top wagon with two votes from people who don't really think I'm scum afaict?

I probably should've declared a v/la for the weekend, but as there's basically no hope of me absorbing the last 20 pages, and admittedly I don't look great by VCA, I'm just going to claim Town [redacted] Backup Vig. Incidentally, I think I'd make for a good rolecop target tonight, and if House survives and can name my entire role, we'll basically have two locktowns because there's already a flipped scum role cop and I don't think scum would be given two role cops.

Hmmm...not sure what to make of this claim. I don't feel too great about relying on House to rolecop because I really think he's scum and you could both be scum together making it meaningless. Especially because I think we should be limming House today. If House flips red this ask to be role copped to create conftowns would look kinda bad for CSF.

I'm not super interested in limming a CSF slot I don't feel strongly about that's claiming a vig role. I think the claim should work itself out mechanically

[Dragon of the West]

Dude, posting from mobile sucks. I must keep hitting Q+ trying to zoom and not realizing it

[Dragon of the West]

Can I get some opinions on House not using his rolecop ability last night?

I think town!JoAT that House claimed would and should use rolecop N1, it's the most valuable of his roles to make sure are used. The roleblock has such a low chance of success at stopping scum and if he blocks N1 kill to "keep himself alive", why wouldn't scum just shoot him N2 before he can get a role cop result now that they know he doesn't have his roleblock left?

[MathBlade]

Also, I feel a bit like House is just aimless and I'm not sure if that's really a town mindsight. Can I get some opinions on House not using his rolecop ability last night?

Vote Count 2.11

Cat Scratch Fever (E-2)

- DrippingGoofball, Titus, House, Almost50, MathBlade

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

DrippingGoofball (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Cat Scratch Fever was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-27 08:19:12) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

yeow at me being the top wagon with two votes from people who don't really think I'm scum afaict?

I probably should've declared a v/la for the weekend, but as there's basically no hope of me absorbing the last 20 pages, and admittedly I don't look great by VCA, I'm just going to claim Town [redacted] Backup Vig. Incidentally, I think I'd make for a good rolecop target tonight, and if House survives and can name my entire role, we'll basically have two locktowns because there's already a flipped scum role cop and I don't think scum would be given two role cops.

Hmmm...not sure what to make of this claim. I don't feel too great about relying on House to rolecop because I really think he's scum and you could both be scum together making it meaningless. Especially because I think we should be limming House today. If House flips red this ask to be role copped to create conftowns would look kinda bad for CSF.

I'm not super interested in limming a CSF slot I don't feel strongly about that's claiming a vig role. I think the claim should work itself out mechanically

I think forcing House into the dilemma is best. Then if House is scum the TA (assuming it exists) will reflect that.

If scum want to avoid that dilemma of House confirmed alignment then have to shoot the TA. Which all town neighbors would have long since claimed by now so then taking out a minor role to avoid the dilemma.

I think if House is scum we force him to do shit and if I am wrong and House is town better for us.

But I think this plan is good.

Then if I am right and TA is town then we got some not newb newb scum.

And it’s House DGB X

But House DGB TA can also be a thing

[MathBlade]

Can I get some opinions on House not using his rolecop ability last night?

I think town!JoAT that House claimed would and should use rolecop N1, it's the most valuable of his roles to make sure are used. The roleblock has such a low chance of success at stopping scum and if he blocks N1 kill to "keep himself alive", why wouldn't scum just shoot him N2 before he can get a role cop result now that they know he doesn't have his roleblock left?

Oh I agree. House is almost certainly scum.

But I think the dilemma here proves it.

Besides no town player goes “I am going to neighborize the person I thought did the scum kill”.

House is scum here prolly with DGB.

[MathBlade]

We have to keep House alive on the off chance he is not scum here though.

I would rather elim DGB then revisit this tomorrow after I am almost certainly dead and people have invests.

Then since normals don’t have any invest fuckups except Miller/ascetic which shoulda been claimed then invests can do their stuff. I just don’t think they’re town. But then again MS does run super imbalanced setups so *shrug*

[MathBlade]

The other theory is House already neighborized DGB and elim in the invest claims but that’s just too ewwwww.

DGB is the safer play.

[House]

Besides no town player goes “I am going to neighborize the person I thought did the scum kill”.

More proof that you're lying. You know I'm a spiteful ass when I'm pissed off.

Your sister also knows it, and knows that you know it, so idk what you're even trying to accomplish.

[MathBlade]

Besides no town player goes “I am going to neighborize the person I thought did the scum kill”.

More proof that you're lying. You know I'm a spiteful ass when I'm pissed off.

Your sister also knows it, and knows that you know it, so idk what you're even trying to accomplish.

What am I lying about?

I don’t think that’s a Townie mindset,

Are you arguing I do think that’s a Townie mindset? Because I don’t.

[MathBlade]

What’s your game plan here House?

Shade me? Even if you get my miselim then tomorrow you still have to have a result on CSF and TA checks you,

If I flip all that does is show my plan as truth and you’re stuck with it.

[Kerset]

Besides no town player goes “I am going to neighborize the person I thought did the scum kill”.

More proof that you're lying. You know I'm a spiteful ass when I'm pissed off.

Your sister also knows it, and knows that you know it, so idk what you're even trying to accomplish.

CSF gives RC request and you keep quiet but here you get out of lurk in 30min?

[House]

I stopped caring what you do a while back.

I thought i made myself clear on that.

[MathBlade]

I stopped caring what you do a while back.

I thought i made myself clear on that.

Then help me “bus” DGB if you don’t care.

And if you don’t vote DGB you do care and that’s a lie.

[House]

I also told you that I'm not doing shit that you want me to do.

Spiteful ass, and all.

[MathBlade]

I also told you that I'm not doing shit that you want me to do.

Spiteful ass, and all.

Or just scum and all.

If you don’t rolecop CSF and say the modifier I will tunnel you to the ends of the earth tomorrow and I think everyone else will here as well.

TA will then out if you have had a hood or not.

Seems like pretty simple alignment checks.

CSF gets checked by you verifying their claim.
You get checked by saying the modifier
TA checks you by saying if you have a hood or not.

Pretty straight forward.

We could hero it and go outside DGB but that doesn’t seem smart.

[MathBlade]

Because no one is gonna like my suggestion on hero elim. So safe is better.

[House]

If DGB gets eliminated, I'm Neighborizing

*rolls die*

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