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MathBlade · Post Post #3550 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:38 pm

In post 3546, Titus wrote:
In post 3545, Nero Cain wrote:though it is silly to me that you've been pushing that there are 4 scum when you were giving me shit yesterday for pushing 4 scum (wich I never actually did)
Huh? Who thinks four scum exist?

I am treating it as a possibility considering
X has crumbed vig
Y has crumbed newbie

Z has crumbed TA
CSF has claimed backup vig
House has claimed rolecop, roleblocker, neighborizer yet doesn’t use is powerful one.
I am a proven simple jailkeeper unless you scumread DGB or I no kill
Nero has hinted PR of some kind (dunno if I buy it)

Some of this has to be scum. Vig or backup vig can’t.

So looking in the crumbs/people who haven’t claimed

MathBlade · Post Post #3551 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:39 pm

And no I don’t feel like outing all those crumbs and suspected PRs either.
Deal

Titus · Post Post #3552 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:41 pm

Math, the last two times you cried broken setup you were scum...

Nero Cain · Post Post #3553 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:42 pm

y r u townreading me, Math? it it b/c I'm no longer pushing you?

MathBlade · Post Post #3554 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:43 pm

In post 3552, Titus wrote:Math, the last two times you cried broken setup you were scum...

I am not crying broken setup.

I don’t know the setup.

I just know that from a setup standpoint it’s more likely some of the pr claims are scum to balance it out.

You’re literally shading me despite townreading me.

This doesn’t work Titus.

MathBlade · Post Post #3555 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:43 pm

In post 3553, Nero Cain wrote:y r u townreading me, Math? it it b/c I'm no longer pushing you?

No. I am started townreading you towards the end of D1 ans I don’t think you kill A50 or send DGB to do a kill ergo you’re probably town.

MathBlade · Post Post #3556 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:45 pm

By play and by claim House is scum.

I don’t have to elim him today though.

My goal is to setup town to do so even after I get shot tonight.

House · Post Post #3557 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:48 pm

In post 3556, MathBlade wrote:By play and by claim House is scum.

I don’t have to elim him today though.

My goal is to setup town to do so even after I get shot tonight.

Yeah Math. Clearly I'm all about killing people that are pushing me.

That's why Nero is dead right now.

MathBlade · Post Post #3558 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:49 pm

In post 3557, House wrote:
In post 3556, MathBlade wrote:By play and by claim House is scum.

I don’t have to elim him today though.

My goal is to setup town to do so even after I get shot tonight.
Yeah Math. Clearly I'm all about killing people that are pushing me.

That's why Nero is dead right now.

Nah I will be dead because I am confirmed town.

You’re shading me because you can’t kill me so you have to make me look bad else everyone sheeps me like you’re supposed to do conf town.

House · Post Post #3559 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:50 pm

In post 3558, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3557, House wrote:
In post 3556, MathBlade wrote:By play and by claim House is scum.

I don’t have to elim him today though.

My goal is to setup town to do so even after I get shot tonight.
Yeah Math. Clearly I'm all about killing people that are pushing me.

That's why Nero is dead right now.
Nah I will be dead because I am confirmed town.

You’re shading me because you can’t kill me so you have to make me look bad else everyone sheeps me like you’re supposed to do conf town.

That's all well and good except for the fact that, y'know, you're not confirmed town, and all.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3560 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:53 pm

In post 3558, MathBlade wrote:Nah I will be dead because I am confirmed town.

If there's a vig...

MathBlade · Post Post #3561 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:53 pm

In post 3560, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3558, MathBlade wrote:Nah I will be dead because I am confirmed town.
If there's a vig...

They’d shoot (so and so) as they’ve crumbed.

Almost50 · Post Post #3562 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:04 pm

In post 3537, Nero Cain wrote:Why not just get a claim out of Ythan?

One major reason is that you didn't put him @L-1

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #3563 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:07 pm

In post 3295, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3294, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:and if House survives and can name my entire role, we'll basically have two locktowns because there's already a flipped scum role cop and I don't think scum would be given two role cops.
What if you and House are just scum together?

At some point, it would start to look suspicious why neither of us have been NK'd, i.e. we would have to explain why we're both alive despite being conf town. I suppose you could argue that House being a confirmed rolecop does not solidify his alignment as town, but I think it's so unlikely that scum would have a 1-shot rolecop in addition to a full rolecop, which is why I proposed that he confirms his role by checking me.

And it's not entirely out of the question that someone else can investigate one of us.

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #3564 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:17 pm

In post 3333, Dragon of the West wrote: Hmmm...not sure what to make of this claim. I don't feel too great about relying on House to rolecop because I really think he's scum and you could both be scum together making it meaningless. Especially because I think we should be limming House today. If House flips red this ask to be role copped to create conftowns would look kinda bad for CSF.

I'm not super interested in limming a CSF slot I don't feel strongly about that's claiming a vig role. I think the claim should work itself out mechanically

I should also add that there's a decent chance he may just resolve tonight. So I don't think House is a good elim today.

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #3565 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:26 pm

In post 3410, Titus wrote:Kerset, too complicated. CSF just gains the ability to stop another clear down the line.

I mean, there really aren't that many roles that can be conclusively cleared by a rolecop. At best, you only know if someone is trueclaiming their role.

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #3566 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:30 pm

In post 3479, Ythan wrote:Looking forward to discussing it with you postgame.

What do your reads look like rn?

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #3567 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:36 pm

In post 3528, Nero Cain wrote:could swore there was a post from House rhetorically asking why he didn't block me or maybe it wasn't House that made that.

but you didn't believe me so why would you block someone you didn't believe?

In post 3420, House wrote:
In post 1826, Nero Cain wrote:I have bullets, who do I shoot
tonight
and why?
@Math: In case I haven't been clear, please stop talking to me. You don't even know what's going on but you want to be a tyrant.
but House not believing me yesterday to quoting me and using
my fake vig claim as evidence that there's a vig is lol

After no one died last night?

House · Post Post #3568 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:39 pm

In post 3567, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 3528, Nero Cain wrote:could swore there was a post from House rhetorically asking why he didn't block me or maybe it wasn't House that made that.

but you didn't believe me so why would you block someone you didn't believe?

In post 3420, House wrote:
In post 1826, Nero Cain wrote:I have bullets, who do I shoot
tonight
and why?
@Math: In case I haven't been clear, please stop talking to me. You don't even know what's going on but you want to be a tyrant.
but House not believing me yesterday to quoting me and using
my fake vig claim as evidence that there's a vig is lol
After no one died last night?

*shrug* unless it's compulsory, vigs can holster.

I fully expected to wake up dead on d2, though.

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #3569 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:18 pm

In post 3329, Kerset wrote:If math is town then DGB has to be neighbor already. Then TA will always give "can communicate with living players" anyway. I don't get your point green kerset.

My point hinges on Math being eliminated and flipping town toDay, at which point DGB will no longer be able to communicate with a living player in private if it is a town neighbor, but will be able to if it is a scum neighbor.

Math flips.scum here anyways, but if I'm wrong, it's possible House and DGB are partners so he cannot be allowed that out.

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #3570 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:24 pm

In post 3330, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3328, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 3326, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3322, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 3291, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3277, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 3116, House wrote:Unless it's eliminated toDay, I'm Neighborizing DGB so we can trade gossip toMorrow if I live.

There's something else y'all can use to base a vote on me for.
Do not do this if Math flips town. There is a Traffic Analyst that needs to check DGB and if you neighborize it you will break the TA's result.
Why are we talking if I flip town?

I go off as asked and come back to this?

I don’t see myself living past tomorrow in most worlds as I will be shot.
Because if you are town, I think DGB is scum, and neighborizing it, or claiming to neighborize it, is a way to circumvent TA guilties. I am preempting this in case the team is House/DGB, to prevent them from wriggling out via this fakeclaim.

If you flip town, and House neighborizes DGB, I'll treat any "can communicate with living players" as a guilty on DGB. If that situation occurs, then DGB flips scum, House will be next. If DGB flips town there I would consider other options.

If I don't say any of this, House and DGB have plausible deniability (assuming you are town, assuming there is a TA). I need this out there for legacy in the event I am NKed after you are eliminated (which is what scum!DGB would be angling for right now if you are town).

Just covering my bases because if I'm wrong I think I die. If I'm right and you're scum though, none of this applies. Maybe I get killed, maybe not.
If you think I am scum then DGB is de facto scum.

Help me bus DGB.
Explain why DGB is scum with you "de facto"
Because no nightkill overnight.

I as scum do not no kill with a vig crumb
A (redacted crumb) which I signaled I saw
A (redacted crumb) from today
A (redacted crumb) of X
And a buddy who is an invest dying on D1.

That does not happen.

Therefore House town DGB scum has to be true in a me scum world.

So help me “bus” DGB.

Oh, I think either you or House could conceivably no kill as scum to obfuscate the other's result, so the premise that you dont no kill isn't solid for me.

Logic stands, but the premise is flawed imo, so I dont agree with the conclusion.

At least you answered coherently this time though.

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #3571 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:24 pm

I gotta snooze, already 1:30

Titus · Post Post #3572 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:42 pm

Story of this thread

MathBlade · Post Post #3573 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:02 pm

In post 3569, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 3329, Kerset wrote:If math is town then DGB has to be neighbor already. Then TA will always give "can communicate with living players" anyway. I don't get your point green kerset.
My point hinges on Math being eliminated and flipping town toDay, at which point DGB will no longer be able to communicate with a living player in private if it is a town neighbor, but will be able to if it is a scum neighbor.

Math flips.scum here anyways, but if I'm wrong, it's possible House and DGB are partners so he cannot be allowed that out.

A> I am not scum
B> I am not being elimmed today
C> Why are you ignoring the multiple people who have known me a super long time saying I don’t no kill?

Assume I am mod confirmed IC then what?

MathBlade · Post Post #3574 (ISO) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:04 pm

My suggestion is the TA check House.
I don’t think in a I am miselimmed world the TA should check DGB anyway they should check House.

It will force him to do as town asks which is rolecop CSF.

Titus, me, Nero, DoTW, Kerset I believe all asked for it to be used.

A50 said he’d judge House based on the actions which I count as a tentative.

So TA house makes sense.