Every time I was almost convinced he was Town, I'd just keep getting caught in "But what if he's not???" and of course the jail didn't help with that.
Rat don't feel too bad about that, I didn't love the Kenny lim either, especially after he was spewing town (as Dw pointed out), but with a no-kill in that spot if you don't lim there you have paranoia for the rest of the game
Sorry for the replace out, realized a short time in I wasn't in a mental state fit to be playing the game at that point in time. Congrats to town on the win.
In post 1843, Uranus wrote:Sorry for not being as good as I could have, forum mafia is... very different in playstyle that I didn't expect
also sorry StrangeMatter for replacing in too late
Very few people are good in their first game. I think in particular drawing mafia is hard for a new player because without a frame of reference for what playing town is like, you won't have a mindset to emulate. Like anything else it takes practice. Don't feel too bad about it.
Every time I was almost convinced he was Town, I'd just keep getting caught in "But what if he's not???" and of course the jail didn't help with that.
paranoia's a real beast, fell into it more than i want to mention this game
In post 1847, Radical Rat wrote:Cows, I never got a chance to say this during the game itself, because by the time you were confirmed I was dead, but you were an absolute joy to play with and I loved your style and shenanigans.
However, your pirate icon was better, so you lose some points for that.
aa, i'm glad you vibed with it
i'm pretty comfortable with how it developed over my first few games here
Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
I have absolutely no hard feelings about my elim. It was the logical thing to do. And as I wrote: if it benefits town it is very much OK for me in a town spot.
I have a question left for LQ: Was your deleted post intended for the private mafia chat of newbie game 2076?
@ mod: Is there a mixup in the setup? I just realised that we had two mafia goons but with a friendly neighbor and a jailkeeper there should be a mafia rolecop.
Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
In post 1863, kennyk wrote:I have a question left for LQ: Was your deleted post intended for the private mafia chat of newbie game 2076?
No. It was part of this post which I put in a Private PM. I had been preparing the post in this thread so I could see it but I accidentally hit submit. The other game at the time was in night phase.
Why does Mega claim that Cheeky visited DGB N2? That seems like utter suicide if Cheeky was RBed. If DGB was RBed, then wouldn't Cheeky still get a result? If DGB were Rolestopped then Shrek would be semi-innocent. If Cheeky was RBed, then Shrek is guilty. But if Mega didn’t know Cheeky’s result, then DGB was either Rolestoped or Abducted. That still says nothing about DGB/Shrek so we have to look at other data to sort DGB/Shrek given I am alive now.
Progression
DrippingGoofball
Spoiler: Progression on Mega
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In 479 DBG says, quoting Mega, “I’m Town binning this player.”
DGB chainsaws Mega against Shek in 503. For some reason, DGB TRs Nero for making the case against Mega and SRs Shrek for agreeing with Nero. In Mega’s case against Nero, DGB puts down essentially a FoS on Mega in 505. 513 and 617 (back to back posts) are interesting.
In 1231 DGB says explicitly they don’t SR Mega.
Then Mega doesn’t turn up until 2884 where DGB sides with Mega against Cheeky.
DGB shades both Shrek and Mega in 3095, which further confirms both Shrek and Mega are not Scum if DGB is Scum. Shrek would have to be Town then.
In 3172 DGB says Cheeky’s claim is just as bad as Mega’s.
In 3236 and 3244, DGB finally gets around to SRing Mega and makes their last 2 posts.
Shrek
Spoiler: Progression on Mega
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Reads List in 839 says this about Mega: Null: mega - has actively been trying to solve, but nero has raised good points against him. i would put him at lean town if it werent for his interaction with nero to begin with
Strong SR on Mega in 1125 accompanied by a vote.
In 1127 says there is resistance to Mega. Reiterates in 1129.
In 1211 asks DGB if they SR Mega. In 1234 Prods DGB about what they think of the case on Mega. In 1269 tells DGB to look at the case on Mega.
Still pressures Mega in 1449.
In 1459 says they have Mega as leading in Elim order.
In 1466 votes Gamma because the Mega wagon didn’t take.
In 1676 says this: "mega - literally self explanatory. disappeared for half the last phase after not tryin to scumsolve at all and i wouldnt mind him flipping today"
In 1696 says I should have Mega in my low impact players list.
In 1733 votes Mega again.
In 1750 says Red Mega makes Cheeky Green.
Calls out Mega on the BS of reading them in 1760. 1775 Shades Mega.
Says “mega who is almost certainly scum” in 1878.
Tells Nero in 1901 they want to lynch Mega before Cyrus.
In 1947 tells me to ISO Mega.
“i want mega over cyrus” in 2099.
Stops the pressure on Mega to vote for Cyrus and says we will catch Mega with their claim, which is exactly what happened.
In 2635 says we should have Limed Mega.
Pressures Mega in 2733. Says they want one of Cheeky or Mega gone in 3152 with a vote on Mega. Gives reasons for SRing Mega in 3160. Puts pressure on Mega for 3 more posts.
DrippingGoofball
Spoiler: Progression on Cheeky
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In 357 Cheeky asks DGB if they SR both Shrek and Roden. DGB say Roden is more likely Scum.
Vote’s Cheeky in 509 with very poor reasoning IMO.
In 513, DGB gets the order reversed and says if Cheeky flips Red then Mega is Green.
In 778 DGB chainsaws Mega to Cheeky.
In 2250 DGB tells Cheeky they are 1-Shot. 2287: You’re welcome! 2308 looks like a buddy attempt. 2610 is a WIFOM read on Gamma in response to Cheeky asking about them.
In 2642 DGB calls Cheeky Scum.
In 2883 DGB calls both Shrek and Cheeky Scum.
In 2886 DGB asks what Cheeky’s claim is.
Shrek
Spoiler: Progression on Cheeky
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In Reads List: “cheeky - i honestly think that the interaction between her and nero right now is strictly tvt… I'm putting him the highest outta everyone.” in 177.
Reads list in 839 cheeky - i dont entirely agree with the reads list they posted but its basically the same case as with lq where i cant see them being partnered with anyone.
Lots of cooperation with Cheeky until:
Asks for a Town block including Cheeky in 1463.
“me/cheeky/lq/nero/possibly roden is the townbloc” in 1676. 1677 “cheeky is not scum wtf are you smoking” 1682 “i'm hard town reading cheeky”
Some cooperation, and defending Cheeky, then,
“cheeky is obvtown” in 1864. 3146 “n1 im sure i wasnt blocked because std visited cheeky”
DrippingGoofball
Spoiler: Progression on Shrek
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Empty shade on Shrek in 503.
Goes directly against Shrek as a principle in 1165. Continues in 2131.
In 1266 DGB, in response to Shrek says they “forgot the case” against Mega. In 1287 DGB, in response to Shrek, acknowledges the case on Mega and says, “I can see it” but does nothing with it.
Next mention of Shrek by DGB is in 2641 where DGB naked votes Shrek.
DGB complains about Shrek being Scum until 3041 where DGB finally is asking questions about what happened to trying to get Shek in the hood?
DGB goes back to saying the opposite to Shrek in 3172
Shrek
Spoiler: Progression on DGB
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Reads List in 839 “inconclusive: dgb - wanna say that hes town based on how it seems like hes actively tryin to sort and scumsolve but i am completely unfamiliar with his style of play
In 895 “dgb's take makes me want to move them up to leans town”
“i agree with dgb’s play here actually.” 1850. 1904 “idk what motivation dgb would have to fake claim especially if its to save mega.”
To Cyrus: “what do you think of dgb’s PR claim then? are they faking it?” In 2076.
“i completely understand where dgb/lq are coming from so do NOT get on them either just yet” In 2668. 2720 “cheeky dgb isnt ascetic. im a tracker and dgb didnt perform an action last night which means it was either rbed or is lying about what it is” 3134 “dgb may have actually targeted me but it didnt show up then” 3183 “why would scum choose to rb cheeky randomly when dgb not being able to add someone to its hood is an infinitely better option"
DrippingGoofball
Spoiler: (Bonus) Progression on Roden
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111 is Sketchy since it looks like DGB is drawing at straws on a read like that. 118 and 121 look a bit like early distancing with Roden (confirmed in 343).
In 618 DGB posts a “WTF?” at Roden and then starts to TR them in 621, for what I can see of very little reason.
618 is very weird because Roden says, “You're pushing a false narrative that Mega wants you bussed.” I can see no reason why DGB wants to TR Roden for that post (this post came up earlier).
DGB makes a very WIFOM-y read on Roden in 786.
There’s a huge gap where there’s not mention/interaction between Roden and DGB and they now have a strong TR on Roden at this point in the game (see 2604).
Town/Scum Analysis
DrippingGoofball
Spoiler: Town/Scum
Here’s a list of number and times that DGB calls a player Town/Scum (In cohesive order):
Here’s a fancy way of interpreting DGB’s reads (given DGB is Scum):
Scum = Town
Mixed = Town
Town = Scum
Town
Cheeky 0/10
Shrek 0/5
Cyrus 1/4
StD 1/1
Gamma 1/1
T3 2/1
AA9 1/0
A50 1/0
DW 2/0
Nero 3/0
Roden 3/0
Everyone DGB has called Scum is actually Town if Kitty and Shek are Town that is. That means Kitty and Shrek are both Town (See 3035) because of them being outliers and them being SR. We know Cheeky is confirmed Town. And Shrek resolves as Town with a DGB Scum flip. So we can reasonably guess that Kitty is Town as well.
Shrek
Spoiler: Town/Scum
Here’s a list of number and times that DGB calls a player Town/Scum (in cohesive order):
Interpreting Shek's reads (given Shek is Scum):
Scum = Town
Town = Town
Mixed = Mixed
N/A = N/A
Cyrus 0/4
Cheeky 7/0
Nero 6/0
DW 5/0
Roden 3/0
Norweirgh 2/0
StD 0/2
A50 1/0
Gamma 1/0
DGB 1/0
T3 1/4
Mega 1/5
Kitty 0/0
AA9 0/0
DotW 0/0
Results are a bit inconclusive. It's possible Shek's Null Reads are Scum, but that would be weird given the mixed results are Null.
Non-Associatives
DrippingGoofball
On a DGB Red flip:
Soft-Clears: Gamma, DW, Cheeky
Shrek
On a Shrek Red flip:
Clears: AA9, Roden
Soft-Clears: Gamma
Conclusion
These two players could not be more diametrically opposed to each other. They have opposite reads on the Elimed and on each other. Where DGB TR's Mega, Shrek SR's. Where DGB SR's Cheeky, Shrek TR's. And DGB reads Shrek as Scum whereas Shrek reads DGB as Town. To make matter more polar opposite, You could virtually flip the reads upsidown in terms of what reads they gave on all the rest of the players in this game.
If DGB is Scum, then they are likely teamed with a PoE of Roden and/or Nero, and AA9 and/or A50. If Shrek is Scum the PoE is likely DotW, Kitty, and A50.
So that is the information I have for you. Vote wisely.
VOTE: DGB
I think it was a good post, but I came to the wrong conclusion on it. My mistake was that Shrek had TMI and DGB didn't.
I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.
In post 1864, kennyk wrote:@ mod: Is there a mixup in the setup? I just realised that we had two mafia goons but with a friendly neighbor and a jailkeeper there should be a mafia rolecop.
You're right kennyk, I just fixed it. It was 2:00 am in India when i released the flip. I made an error.
I'm waiting for someone to say something special in mafia game(s) about me, so that, I can change my pathetic signature.
~ AurorusVox
