AI UPCIK PART II | Compromised

[Radical Rat]

His tone is not well-intentioned, he's manipulating me into my own elimination.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: RR
I definitely prefer this to A50.
This is probably the towniest A50 has been in my experience with him; he's been heavily advancing the game, his tone is well-intentioned, and the high activity is also a good sign for him.


@Gamma, What does 'some room' even mean this late into the day phase?

I mean I want to give him another day phase or two because I think he’s not in a great spot to legitimately show his alignment because he’s kinda trapped

[Aristophanes]

@Ari, when you use your ability does it count as the dead slot taking the action, or as you taking the action?

I didn't ask but it states pretty clearly imo that I het to use that ability, meaning I am taking the action.

I'm like really certain that is the case

[Aristophanes]

Also I don't think a Rad Rad Lim is the right call here.

Also I echo the take that a tow lim is better than a no lim as it at least gives us info!

[Gamma Emerald]

Ari vote A50

[Aristophanes]

i think ari's role could easily be a scum role. rather keep my vote there than vote RR

As I said, Ari can use RR's ability, and we can better judge him by it. Mechanical route >>>> "I think .. could be" route

i think ari's role could easily be a scum role. rather keep my vote there than vote RR

voting based on role rather than play, especially is this kind of setup, sucks ass.

That's probably too direct but meh.

[Aristophanes]

Ari vote A50

Reading ul. Has A50 suddenly turned scummy?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve been suspicious of him for a decent span of time, but more recently he tried to armtwist RR into support his own elimination

[Aristophanes]

My limited experience

Ah, yes.
As the Mafia newbie you totally are...

[Aristophanes]

Oh, and I also have a suggestion: Since RR is being cooperative here, I think we should let him self-hammer. That way we don't have a Hated player on D2. I think that's better than having either Dwlee or Meg start the day @ 1 vote already

Opinions?

Oh, I see. Didn't we have a plan for this already.

This is a kinda scummy post tbh.

I meam, I can see selfhammering as town with that stipulation in consideration, but also selfhammering as town is like...really bad in most cases.

I'm milquetoast to the ehtire suggestion

[Radical Rat]

I reread my role in preparation for potentially needing to claim, and it turns out I'd misread it before.

I am no longer okay dying and letting Ari have it. I mean, not to specifically keep it away from Ari, just that dying makes it lose a lot more of its utility than I had initially thought.

I'm not willing to elaborate further on this, but yeah, I'm a lot less willing to accept my fate now.

[Aristophanes]

I'm supremely intrigued, but also this sounds genuine.

Honestly, this slot feels very town. RadRat, who is a better lim atm?
What is your A50 and your Gamma read?

[unwnd]

VOTE: Yuki Takeya

[Radical Rat]

I'm supremely intrigued, but also this sounds genuine.

Honestly, this slot feels very town. RadRat, who is a better lim atm?
What is your A50 and your Gamma read?

A50 Scum, Gamma Town.
A50 is a better lim.

[Almost50]

VOTE: RR
I definitely prefer this to A50.
This is probably the towniest A50 has been in my experience with him; he's been heavily advancing the game, his tone is well-intentioned, and the high activity is also a good sign for him.


@Gamma, What does 'some room' even mean this late into the day phase?

I mean I want to give him another day phase or two because I think he’s not in a great spot to legitimately show his alignment because he’s kinda trapped

He's TOWN. I'm sure of it now (judging by his responses and will to cooperate after being pushed). This is NOT the issue though. If it was up to me I'd go for a NO LIM because not a single slot has "obv!Scum'ed" to me, but the majority of the players -including and spearheaded by RR- think a mislim is better than No Lim, so I was driving the wagon on him on principle (and it did give me the desired outcome of having a read on him).

Now, we have multiple options and not enough time to discuss and evaluate them all.

1) Go ahead with the RR lim. The most precious advantage is he's willing to self-hammer, so no Hated slot on D2
2) Switch to DotW. I'm cool with that, but what if another "I'm Town and I can prove it"?
3) Go for Titus. She already said she wanted to be eliminated, but I wanted her alive to -at least- try to VCA on D3
4) This may come to you as a surprise, but I myself wouldn't mind going if the likes of Gamma are going to misread my intentions. If Gamma can't tell this is 100% Town!me he's either scum or I have no place in this game.

[Almost50]

Also I don't think a Rad Rad Lim is the right call here.

Also I echo the take that a tow lim is better than a no lim as it at least gives us info!

These two statements do not align with each other.

[Almost50]

I reread my role in preparation for potentially needing to claim, and it turns out I'd misread it before.

I am no longer okay dying and letting Ari have it. I mean, not to specifically keep it away from Ari, just that dying makes it lose a lot more of its utility than I had initially thought.

I'm not willing to elaborate further on this, but yeah, I'm a lot less willing to accept my fate now.

And I take back everything I said in 764.

[Radical Rat]

Alright, let me clarify things here.

Yes, a mislim is better than a no lim.
That does NOT mean we should eliminate someone who we EXPECT to flip Town. In a situation with no strong scumread, you're probably gonna have to bite the bullet and lim someone you might have a light townread on. Strong townreads should still be avoided where possible, and if someone is conftown then they shouldn't even be up for debate.

[Radical Rat]

My problem is, I suspect you already knew that's what I meant. I think you deliberately framed things in such a way that you can push a mislim and not have to be held accountable for it, while removing a lot of my capacity to defend myself.

I went along with it for longer than I should have, because I felt my flip would be informative, and Ari would be able to use my role to similar, if not greater, effect. But that's no longer true after I reread things, and clarified a bit with the mod.

[Almost50]

As I said, we don't -and I mean Town collectively- have the time to discuss all options (this is what happens when you spend several days doing nothing at the start of the game). The thing now is I have several slots I won't touch because I TR, and some others that will resolve themselves within 2 cycles. I have only 3 slots left (if we exclude RR) to vote: Yuki, DotW or superbowl slot. I doubt we have the time to wagon Yuki, and I doubt even more superbowl will be an acceptable lim. I don't oppose a DotW lim, but -as I said- I expect another claim (of course there's going to be one regardless of whether it true or fake), and we all know someone's going to unvote at that point. So my question is: what next? Do we go ahead and throw DotW to the lions regardless? Or do we try to flash wagon yet another alternative? That's why I laid down the options in 764, and I didn't even include Yuki or sb for fear of hitting a strong PR with 5 minutes left to deadline.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Dragon of the West

Let's see how this one goes

[Dragon of the West]

Is it confirmed that 2 mastinas is town-aligned? I know tree stumps

normally

are, just curious if we think there's a chance they aren't.

Also, I'm not the absolute worst mislim...my role is actually weaker than a VT and I don't think Ari would be able to use it because I can't use it on other people. That's good to me because I still think they're scum but bad if we want them to be able to use the PR of the D1 flip N1 to judge them

[Dragon of the West]

If Ari isn't happening I could do NDmath, Yuki, SB9, or Titus

[Dragon of the West]

VOTE: Yuki

[Taroumaru]

I am happy Yuki is on RR because I am happy being on RR