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[Titus]

Vote Count 2.03

Kerset (2)

- MathBlade, House

DrippingGoofball (1)

- DrippingGoofball

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Titus

Not voting (7)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain, Cat Scratch Fever, Andresvmb, Almost50

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.10

Cat Scratch Fever (3)

- DrippingGoofball, Titus, House

Kerset (2)

- Andresvmb, MathBlade

DrippingGoofball (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Ythan (1)

- Almost50

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Cat Scratch Fever was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-27 08:19:12) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.11

Cat Scratch Fever (E-2)

- DrippingGoofball, Titus, House, Almost50, MathBlade

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

DrippingGoofball (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Cat Scratch Fever was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-27 08:19:12) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.13

Cat Scratch Fever (3)

- DrippingGoofball, Titus, House

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

MathBlade (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, Kerset, Nero Cain, Almost50

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Ythan was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-28 07:50:24) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.14

Ythan (4)

- Almost50, House, Titus, Kerset

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- DrippingGoofball

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

MathBlade (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (2)

: Ythan, Nero Cain

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

[Titus]

Why is it that ppl are acting like a50 makes 0 sense as the n1 kill? to me, that's just the simplest solution and explains the no kill. So kinda makes Math's role look real? ofc, there's the tin foil that Math no killed so he looks real but he's in the POE anyways so eh...

I've always thought a50 was the n1 kill. It's possible that's wrong but really unlikely.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Dragon of the West - Mailman
ssbm_Kyouko - VT

Kerset - Put herself into own claim list as (VT?). Not actually claimed (unless I missed it)
Nero Cain - VT
DrippingGoofball - Neighbor (not fullclaimed)
House - JOAT: Rolecop, Roleblock, Neighborizer
Andresvmb - VT
Almost50 - VT
MathBlade - Simple Jailkeeper Neighbor
Titus - Traffic Analyst

Flipped Town
1-shot cop

Flipped Scum
Combined Rolecop Voyeur
Ascetic Bulletproof

I think we need full claims from DBG and Kerset still. I think Kerset implied she's VT with her own list of claims yesterDay but didn't actually claim it outright

[Kerset]

yea i am VT

[DrippingGoofball]

I think it is most likely that scum were propping up Math fwiw.

Was anyone propping him up?

[Titus]

Besides, A50 should be conftown anyway. We can use Math to create 1 conftown per night. If scum no kill, we can just have him jail the same VT again.

[Nero Cain]

I was the biggest reason CSF was wagoned initially. I stayed on that wagon until it got vetoed and came back when people said it could be a thing.

but you were also calling CSF

town

despite sitting on her wagon. So it just looks like you wanting to be on a wagon that you knew was going to flip scum. Yes you spent some time pushing CSF, scum can still push their buddies. You never said much about

WHY

CSF is scum or tried to hard push. You just said that CSF is scum ad nauseam.

[Titus]

I think it is most likely that scum were propping up Math fwiw.

Was anyone propping him up?

Kyouko comes to mind, but I don't want to get too far into things before Math's clear is on the table.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: titus

It's early in the day but I could go for that.

[Titus]

So Kerset, Andresvmb is indulging MathBlade. Let's eliminate him.

who is he scum with?

Guess CSF.

No clue. Lack of interactions in his ISO. My townpool is stronger.

Spoiler: Vote counts

Vote Count 1.23

Dragon of the West (3)

- Titus, Almost50, House

Titus (2)

- ssbm_Kyouko, DrippingGoofball

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Ythan (1)

- Andresvmb

Almost50 (1)

- Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

Wake88 (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (1)

: MathBlade

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

House, Titus, and Math are VLA through the 20th of September. Wake is VLA through Sunday. Andresvmb has been prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-20 04:22:32) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Vote Count 1.24

Dragon of the West (2)

- Titus, Almost50

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

Almost50 (2)

- Wake88, DrippingGoofball

Wake88 (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, House

Titus (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Not voting (1)

: MathBlade

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

House, Titus, and Math are VLA through the 20th of September. Wake is VLA through Sunday.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Vote Count 1.25

Wake88 (3)

- Cat Scratch Fever, House, Titus

Almost50 (3)

- Wake88, DrippingGoofball, ssbm_Kyouko

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

Dragon of the West (1)

- Almost50

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Not voting (1)

: MathBlade

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

House, Titus, and Math are VLA through the 20th of September. Wake is VLA through Sunday.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

CSF has choice of a lot of wagons.
Assume CSF is scum.
CSF busses instead of picking one of the many wagons because….?

Simplest answer CSF is town

CSF was absent but when the Wake wagon took off, they start wagon shopping. VCA is actually bad for CSF and I'd go back if A50 was willing.

VOTE: CSF

A50, we can pray for an investigation on Andres. CSF is likely scum too.

@Math, Major rule of 3 violation in Wake88 ISO btw.

CSF was absent but when the Wake wagon took off, they start wagon shopping. VCA is actually bad for CSF and I'd go back if A50 was willing.

On one condition: If CSF flips green then you help me shoot both Kerset & Ythan to the moon. I am almost sure one of CSF/Kerset is Scum and

I am leaning it's Kerset

. I also have a strong feeling Ythan is Scum here. YOU are blocking the wagon on Kerset and Math is blocking the one on Ythan, so between the two of you TOWN has decided to mislim today.

I'd do Ythan, not Kerset.

[Nero Cain]

We can use Math to create 1 conftown per night.

lol, the vts are already conf town.

I mean, I just find it hard to believe that this is a 6/4 town split.

Who is scum, Titus?

[DrippingGoofball]

What do you think of House mentioning Ascetic yesterday Nero?

Also, you just have your reality straight up wrong for what happened yesterday Nero.

He probably wouldn't bring this up if he actually knew for fear of it being self-incriminating.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dragon's role is a bit sus, even though we know the role is real. It's not necessarily town.

[Titus]

We can use Math to create 1 conftown per night.

lol, the vts are already conf town.

I mean, I just find it hard to believe that this is a 6/4 town split.

Who is scum, Titus?

I'm working that out. I don't buy the 5/5 split though when all the PRs but Math wanted scum dead and every PR has a nerf. If I did go for a 5/5 split, I'd say House then DGB.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I can appreciate thinking Titus is scum here as she's been pinging me from D1, but unless we have like, 3 groupscum AND a traitor I just don't think that's the case. The existence of neighbors, mailman, neighborizer, an immune mafia (ascetic), and a mafia that can become aware of town's false positives (combined rolecop voyeur would see upon targeting DotW, DGB, or Math, if Titus targeted the same person, that a Neighbor or Mailman was targeted by a TA), I just feel like Titus's role makes sense as some mostly negative utility that can catch only Wake if there is a traitor, otherwise could catch 2 scum, but has a plethora of false positive landmines to dodge.

I think mechanically, unless the theory is that there are still 2 scum, a group and a traitor, Titus's role just doesn't belong to scum. I haven't seen enough town power to believe we're in a 3+1 scum game.

Now it is possible mechanically speaking that the mailman is scum, which gives 1 scum immunity to Titus, and 1 scum a confirmable escape from a Titus guilty (because we have a town Rolecop in this scenario), but I've been jiving with what DotW was saying most of yesterDay. I'm going to go back and reread the message he sent me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I remember DotW mentioning a few things - 1 that he was not confident in how to use his role and he asked for advice. He asked I crumb the advice by mentioning him as Dragon instead of DotW. 2 That I was his strongest TR from D1 and that's why he targeted me. It could have been a pocketing attempt as my read on him definitely ended up going upwards after that, during D2. So like, if it was, it worked. But I'll reread it and think on it. Have to check my and his ISOs as well to see if I TRed him at all D1 or if he expressed a strong TR on me.

[Titus]

That moment when I realize I forgot Dragon existed.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Mmm, I just reread the PM. It was pretty short - examining the verbiage I don't think he was trying to pocket me.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's possible that Titus isn't a TA.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I do kinda agree with you that towns investigation power being a 1x cop and possibly a 1x rolecop seems weak so

maybe

the TA with a ton of nerfs is needed but her play around CSF is just wonky.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Dragon's role is a bit sus, even though we know the role is real. It's not necessarily town.

Do you have any other roles or modifiers that would be relevant to determining the setup balance?

[Nero Cain]

Titus, if you felt CSF was town as you said near EOD, why were you still on the CSF wagon?

[MathBlade]

Ythan died over the night. He was a

Spoiler:

Town One-shot Cop

Called it.

Titus and Ythan both town and Ythan was baiting the kill.

I also am the world’s biggest idiot on the CSF read.

Still was right on mechanics and it woulda been a guilty on CSF.

I am gonna go into shut up land on reads.

Protected A50 last night

[Nero Cain]

4497 is so cringe

[DrippingGoofball]

Dragon's role is a bit sus, even though we know the role is real. It's not necessarily town.

Do you have any other roles or modifiers that would be relevant to determining the setup balance?

In my role? None.