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Post Post #4900 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:12 pm

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In post 4899, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4896, Dragon of the West wrote:There really isn't much of a wagon and I haven't seen anyone give much of a reason why I'm scum. Titus has been riding a scumread on me since I made a joke they didn't like in RVS and hasn't engaged with any of my posts until now
You could like scumhunt? We are sort of at an impasse here. I think its likely Titus but I could sorta see where scum is given a role that would be undetectable to her.
Like, perhaps,

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Post Post #4901 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:26 pm

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Post Post #4902 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:00 pm

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but why DBG over DOTW?

DGB was also all over CSF yesterday. You could maybe make the argument that DGB is scum and therefore knew CSF was scum. I think DGB is right that DOTW posting since getting off of v/la has been lackluster.

VOTE: dotw

I think id this doesn't end the game then scum is prob you or Titus.
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Post Post #4903 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:02 pm

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In post 4902, Nero Cain wrote:but why DBG over DOTW?

DGB was also all over CSF yesterday. You could maybe make the argument that DGB is scum and therefore knew CSF was scum. I think DGB is right that DOTW posting since getting off of v/la has been lackluster.

VOTE: dotw

I think id this doesn't end the game then scum is prob you or Titus.
DGB over DotW because DGB has an alibi for a TA guilty.
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Post Post #4904 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:11 pm

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but so does DOTW
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Post Post #4905 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:12 pm

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In post 4904, Nero Cain wrote:but so does DOTW
Messenger gives a guilty to TA?

Cool. I'm not used to the role. Never played with it before (or TA)

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Post Post #4906 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:08 pm

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In post 4885, Dragon of the West wrote:@A50 - looking at the game state toDay, does my plan even make sense or add value? The only person remaining that might make sense would be 5?
I don't think it's worth the trouble anymore, but you may target 5 and ask them for their opinion too

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Post Post #4907 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:09 pm

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In post 4906, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4885, Dragon of the West wrote:@A50 - looking at the game state toDay, does my plan even make sense or add value? The only person remaining that might make sense would be 5?
I don't think it's worth the trouble anymore, but you may target 5 and ask them for their opinion too
How sure, exactly, are you that DotW is town?
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Post Post #4908 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:09 pm

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In post 4887, Titus wrote:Remind me what your plan is again please?
It was in the message I received from him, so you wouldn't be privy to it

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Post Post #4909 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:10 pm

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In post 4907, House wrote:How sure, exactly, are you that DotW is town?
As sure as a VT can ever be

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Post Post #4910 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:11 pm

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Like... without a mod-confirmation I can't be more sure

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Post Post #4911 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:11 pm

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VOTE: DrippingGoofball
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Post Post #4912 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:25 pm

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OK.. sharing the plan without the code works for me..

He was mainly asking if it's worth giving each of us a code number (ex: #4 would be me) and then message the PRs with it (but wanted my feedback on who's Scum to avoid letting them in). PRs then would crumb their target using that code. That way -say- if Math died while he was supposedly blocking Kerset we know Kerset didn't do it.

The upside is Scum can't tell if Math was on them, so can't try a No-Kill gambit, nor can they avoid shooting Math's target. The downside is there's still a none-zero chance the last Scum isn't Vanilla, but has claimed to be, so Math's block isn't a guilty (but a lack of a NK is still likely an innocent check on the target)

And before anyone thinks "DotW is SCUM and wants to know who Math would be targeting to work around that" I ask you this: Why waste a night asking for a claimed VT advice before he messages Math?? And even assuming 2 Scums alive (very doubtful, but still a none-zero chance) why won't he message Titus before me?

So, the very fact that he decided to delay the plan and ask for advice from me clears him, because TODAY he still doesn't get any info, because none of the living PRs knows what number would be assigned to their target.

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Post Post #4913 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:46 pm

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maybe it's just b/c it's late but that doesn't seem like it does anything? idk
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Post Post #4914 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:54 pm

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That's what I said in 4906

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Post Post #4915 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:10 pm

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but you are town reading him for it?
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Post Post #4916 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:11 pm

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Are you just flattered that he asked you? So he's kinda buddying you?
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Post Post #4917 (ISO) » Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:27 pm

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First: Happy Birthday to you :]

Second: I've laid out why it is a Town move. Wake only has his Neighborizer anility shot left. Titus can't catch Scum if only one is remaining, and DotW already has an alibi for a +ve on him. If he has malicious intentions he should have sent his PM to Mathblade if anyone. Scum want to know who Mathblade is targeting regardless of whether they're a Goon or not (If they're a Goon it doesn't really matter if Math was on them or on another VT because a NO KILL GAMBIT would have the same outcome).

If the last Scum isn't a Goon they don't even care who's targeting whom. Either way; Scum don't just come up with a plan like this and decide to PM a confirmed VT with it. Time is vital for them. They don't have much of it to waste.

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Post Post #4918 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:13 am

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In post 4899, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4896, Dragon of the West wrote:There really isn't much of a wagon and I haven't seen anyone give much of a reason why I'm scum. Titus has been riding a scumread on me since I made a joke they didn't like in RVS and hasn't engaged with any of my posts until now
You could like scumhunt? We are sort of at an impasse here. I think its likely Titus but I could sorta see where scum is given a role that would be undetectable to her.
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Post Post #4919 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:18 am

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In post 4911, House wrote:VOTE: DrippingGoofball
LOL

When I posted the vote analysis I made during night 1 (MathBlade can confirm) the strongest evidence for scum was in CSF and all day my preferred wagon was CSF (save for a brief moment when I thought the full cop claim was dodgy, and I wasn't wrong since it turned out to be one-shot).

As if, in the context of this game, I would make the decision to go at it solo.
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Post Post #4920 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:22 am

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In post 4917, Almost50 wrote:he should have sent his PM to Mathblade if anyone.
Maybe

But MathBlade is a paranoid-style player and that would be an extremely poor idea.
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Post Post #4921 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:26 am

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VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Well then, I'm back to my theory that the scum stayed off the CSF wagon.

...although

It could also be Kerset who hammered. I can vote Kerset too.
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Post Post #4922 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:52 am

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In post 4908, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4887, Titus wrote:Remind me what your plan is again please?
It was in the message I received from him, so you wouldn't be privy to it
That's really manipulative.
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Post Post #4923 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:54 am

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In post 4900, House wrote:
In post 4899, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4896, Dragon of the West wrote:There really isn't much of a wagon and I haven't seen anyone give much of a reason why I'm scum. Titus has been riding a scumread on me since I made a joke they didn't like in RVS and hasn't engaged with any of my posts until now
You could like scumhunt? We are sort of at an impasse here. I think its likely Titus but I could sorta see where scum is given a role that would be undetectable to her.
Like, perhaps,

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

?
But if Math was eliminated, then DGB would be detectable. DGB doesn't cast doubt on Math early if it suspects a TA exists unless desperate and it wasn't at that point in the game.

DotW makes much more sense as immune scum.
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Post Post #4924 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:05 am

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Vote Count 3.09
Dragon of the West (2)
- Titus, Nero Cain
Andresvmb (1)
- MathBlade
MathBlade (1)
- Andresvmb
DrippingGoofball (1)
- House
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- DrippingGoofball

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