Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

We clearly dont have a watcher as MB aluded to, or we'd have a guilty by now. Any watcher would've been on Romance N2 to confirm me and find the roleblocker.

[Mandelbrot]

Can mastina pass the raid by herself with her role?

That's her first claimed ability.

- House

I mean if the raid was just mastina and no one else

Her ability is already spent.

That's why she needs the fresh charge.

- House

[Sakura Hana]

Even if we dont massclaim, mastina should 100% full claim today.

[Mandelbrot]

Even if we dont massclaim, mastina should 100% full claim today.

Agreed, her role has served its purpose.

- House

[Toogeloo]

I probably did, back when I was moonlogicking mastina being scum using scum's ability to pass/fail raids and role knowledge for janitored kills that the Janitor gets.

If you think about it, she's literally claiming scum power. It's enough to make a body paranoid.

I concur I had these thoughts. I'm not over them either since we were promised that mastina's ability would make H1/H2's flip public, and we literally took two people out of discussion over it.

I also do not think we should be failing this raid. I very much would prefer scum never gain the ability to multi-task, regardless of their roles.

My opinions for the raid makeup are:
Romance
Sakura Hana
Bell
Mastina
Qrow and Raven
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dwlee99
Save The Dragons

Below the line I have the less confidence, but still stronger town reads than the rest of the PList. 8th slot I'd prefer myself, but reaching the bottom of the barrel for PoE, I'm thinking Tomorrow Corporation might be a possibility of safe choice too.

I don't think a mass claim is necessary. We currently have 4 townies for every 1 scum.

[Bell]

mastina had her chance at the coroner, supposedly we'd know the flip even if she died, well she's alive, and we don't know the flip so i'm assuming she either got interfered with or was lying.
So there should be no reason for her to withhold a full claim.

We should probably just let her post.

[Mandelbrot]

I probably did, back when I was moonlogicking mastina being scum using scum's ability to pass/fail raids and role knowledge for janitored kills that the Janitor gets.

If you think about it, she's literally claiming scum power. It's enough to make a body paranoid.

I concur I had these thoughts. I'm not over them either since we were promised that mastina's ability would make H1/H2's flip public, and we literally took two people out of discussion over it.

I also do not think we should be failing this raid. I very much would prefer scum never gain the ability to multi-task, regardless of their roles.

My opinions for the raid makeup are:
Romance
Sakura Hana
Bell
Mastina
Qrow and Raven
---
dwlee99
Save The Dragons

Below the line I have the less confidence, but still stronger town reads than the rest of the PList. 8th slot I'd prefer myself, but reaching the bottom of the barrel for PoE, I'm thinking Tomorrow Corporation might be a possibility of safe choice too.

I don't think a mass claim is necessary. We currently have 4 townies for every 1 scum.

So you can understand where I'm paranoid about mastina, but don't want me on the raid?

If I'm scum, why would I be paranoid of mastina? Why would I make her claimed roles being scum abilities even higher visibility?

I don't get your logic.

- House

[Bell]

I still think we should just do the same composition as last time and just add me to it.

Either scum out themselves or they weaken themselves. Seems like a good deal to me. We have the better hand and we should probably take advantage.

In mind hacker or whatever it was called, it was a fairly traditional strategy.

[Toogeloo]

So you can understand where I'm paranoid about mastina, but don't want me on the raid?

If I'm scum, why would I be paranoid of mastina? Why would I make her claimed roles being scum abilities even higher visibility?

I don't get your logic.

I have been flip flopping on you all day while I was at work. I still feel extremely suspicious of how you fought tooth and nail about Elsa being town yesterday, and then joined the wagon after I outed that he had to be a VT. I put you in my hero solve, but those are generally inaccurate.

I concur that I had those thoughts, but that doesn't mean we are on the same page or buddies. Tin foil hat club is not a thing .

[Sakura Hana]

For the record, if mastina is scum she already knows H1/H2's role via Elsa inheriting it.
So regardless she requires a full claim with flavor included.

[Mandelbrot]

So you can understand where I'm paranoid about mastina, but don't want me on the raid?

If I'm scum, why would I be paranoid of mastina? Why would I make her claimed roles being scum abilities even higher visibility?

I don't get your logic.

I have been flip flopping on you all day while I was at work. I still feel extremely suspicious of how you fought tooth and nail about Elsa being town yesterday, and then joined the wagon after I outed that he had to be a VT. I put you in my hero solve, but those are generally inaccurate.

I concur that I had those thoughts, but that doesn't mean we are on the same page or buddies. Tin foil hat club is not a thing .

Did you space my explanation on that?

- House

[Toogeloo]

Did you space my explanation on that?

No, from what I gathered, you thought he was a PR or something, and you felt misled by it. I mean, the moment I shot down any PR possibility from that character, it would need to be abandoned.

I'm not hard-licking you as scum, but I can't remove you from my PoE either. Anyone not on my raid list probably has good reason not to be there.

[Toogeloo]

hard-licking

hard locking... Definitely meant hard locking.

/ahem...

[Sakura Hana]

Hmm mastina wanted STD dead D2, and started gunning for Elsa after the Janitor...
Am i just getting way too paranoid or something.

[Mandelbrot]

Did you space my explanation on that?

No, from what I gathered, you thought he was a PR or something, and you felt misled by it. I mean, the moment I shot down any PR possibility from that character, it would need to be abandoned.

I'm not hard-licking you as scum, but I can't remove you from my PoE either. Anyone not on my raid list probably has good reason not to be there.

Not just a PR.

Specifically, that play had Masonprints all around it.

Those 2 never showed any doubts about each other.
MB fought me over kicking Elsa out of the raid.
MB said Elsa "never gets limmed".
Elsa was cool with MB taking his spot.

Everything screamed Mason buddies.

So, I backed off.

Then, you outed Elsa as VT at best & he claimed VT.

So, I voted him.

- House

[Toogeloo]

I'm good with eliming MB today.

[Toogeloo]

We sort the raid first though.

[Sakura Hana]

Currently the one thing giving me pause about MB is:

2) I bus my buddy Elsa there. What do I gain from being so certain he's town. Literally nothing but a buttload of scum reads when he flips red. Absolutely wouldn't do that.

[Mandelbrot]

Currently the one thing giving me pause about MB is:

2) I bus my buddy Elsa there. What do I gain from being so certain he's town. Literally nothing but a buttload of scum reads when he flips red. Absolutely wouldn't do that.

After that's exactly what happens, it's an easy statement to make.

- House

[Sakura Hana]

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VOTE: Bears

[Mandelbrot]

I'm with Toog on sorting the raid first, though.

[Bell]

Can you imagine me being 3 for 3.
Super unlikely.

[Dwlee99]

Can we please make Aa9 play the game? Pretty please?

[Bell]

All she's gunna do if she comes back is berate everyone for voting/suspecting her.

[Mandelbrot]

When he's right, he's right.