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[MathBlade]

What elim Kerset jail Kyo does is that it establishes that if a kill happens overnight it had to have been done by a PR.

Elim me tomorrow if you must due to paranoia if scum are stupid and don’t kill me but don’t do their job.

[Andresvmb]

The Scum isn’t stupid enough to see that they’re not going to be Jailkept and not shoot you. They will find themselves in a 1v1 with you at this rate if they don’t react, or they don’t care because they have a power and cannot be stopped. But then the Mod created your role for the lols so that you could what, slowly clear Town that doesn’t have a power? Seems idiotic.

[MathBlade]

The Scum isn’t stupid enough to see that they’re not going to be Jailkept and not shoot you. They will find themselves in a 1v1 with you at this rate if they don’t react, or they don’t care because they have a power and cannot be stopped. But then the Mod created your role for the lols so that you could what, slowly clear Town that doesn’t have a power? Seems idiotic.

That’s why I think the last scum is a goon. I think they will be caught. Worse comes to worse tomorrow I am wrong and there’s another death and I jailkeep Titus the only player yet to prove a PR.

[Dragon of the West]

@Nero or I guess anyone else who agrees with the 5 VT setup spec - what about 5 VTs makes so much sense in the case of this game? Is 5 PRs and 5 VTs for town just super common and balanced? Or is there something about this game that makes that amount more likely?

[Dragon of the West]

Scum shot A50 because of Kyo’s posts.

Which of Kyo's posts?

[Kerset]

Adres was the most townreaded VT out of all of us...

[Kerset]

I was hoping to not claim and save the kill or something and see if someone complained about being blocked then claim and out them. Now I am fucking useless.

How many times do I have to say fucking “jail” in my ISO huh?

Told Titus I was a clone of her like the Flubber game c’mon.

HARD COUNTERCLAIM

One of {Mathblade/Me} has to die today.

Math is a scum jailkeeper.

I'm a town roleblocker & Rolecop.

Mod is fucking with us by switching typical roles between town & scum.

I don't even care if you lim me first. When i flip exactly as i say, turbolim Math.

You're claiming roleblocker AND rolecop? Like a JOAT? Is that a hard counter to JK?

Town isn't going to have 2 blocker abilities.

Just, no

Town isn't going to have 2 players that can both block & have a weak investigative.

Just no

now when no one can argue House claim legitimacy, here is last scum

[Kerset]

VOTE: Math

[Kerset]

Also now we know for sure that CSF was baiting rolecop to protect Math from House check. Flips are clear now.

[Dwlee99]

Vote Count 4.01

Kerset (2)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball

MathBlade (1)

- Kerset

Not voting (5)

: Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain, Andresvmb, Titus

It takes

5

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Vote counts will likely be less frequent as I am on vacation.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-19 22:40:40)

[Titus]

VOTE: Dragon

Peace out. Working today.

Can we stop drama fighting and go for scum?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So here's the problem - if Math and Kerset are both town, and the last scum is either a goon faking a PR or is an actual PR like Titus/DotW, they can abuse no kills to direct the town through 3 straight mislims to their victory.

In this situation:
8 players now. Lim Kerset or myself (town flip)
7 Players. Scum No kills while Math JKs the other of Kerset or myself.
7 Players toMorrow. Lim the other one of us (town flip)
6 players in the Night. No kill
We lim Math because after 3 nights of No kill his claim looks highly suspicious

I think we lim him now to lock Andres in as town, we have 2 conftown in Andres/Nero if Math is town. Scum can only kill 1, we go into 6 player MELO with 1 conftown so it's like 5P but we have an insurance policy of conftown wielding the hammer so it's harder for scum to quickhammer.

VOTE: Math

[MathBlade]

So here's the problem - if Math and Kerset are both town, and the last scum is either a goon faking a PR or is an actual PR like Titus/DotW, they can abuse no kills to direct the town through 3 straight mislims to their victory.

In this situation:
8 players now. Lim Kerset or myself (town flip)
7 Players. Scum No kills while Math JKs the other of Kerset or myself.
7 Players toMorrow. Lim the other one of us (town flip)
6 players in the Night. No kill
We lim Math because after 3 nights of No kill his claim looks highly suspicious

I think we lim him now to lock Andres in as town, we have 2 conftown in Andres/Nero if Math is town. Scum can only kill 1, we go into 6 player MELO with 1 conftown so it's like 5P but we have an insurance policy of conftown wielding the hammer so it's harder for scum to quickhammer.

VOTE: Math

Ah yes the classic “some really rare scenario play it out trope”

It’s much more likely scum is in Kerset/you.

No reason we can’t wait to prove it tomorrow. Also it wouldn’t be 6 player MELO? You’re both just taking advantage of Andres’s paranoia. It can’t be 6 player MELO unless you’re scum and two scum left.

VOTE: Kyo

[MathBlade]

I do not want to elim outside of Kerset or Kyo today.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh yeah were down to 1 scum in this game I forgot UNVOTE:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wake and CSF were scum here...

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So here's the problem - if Math and Kerset are both town, and the last scum is either a goon faking a PR or is an actual PR like Titus/DotW, they can abuse no kills to direct the town through 3 straight mislims to their victory.

In this situation:
8 players now. Lim Kerset or myself (town flip)
7 Players. Scum No kills while Math JKs the other of Kerset or myself.
7 Players toMorrow. Lim the other one of us (town flip)
6 players in the Night. No kill
We lim Math because after 3 nights of No kill his claim looks highly suspicious

I think we lim him now to lock Andres in as town, we have 2 conftown in Andres/Nero if Math is town. Scum can only kill 1, we go into 6 player MELO with 1 conftown so it's like 5P but we have an insurance policy of conftown wielding the hammer so it's harder for scum to quickhammer.

VOTE: Math

So I rescind all this, I thought we were at 2 scum

[MathBlade]

So here's the problem - if Math and Kerset are both town, and the last scum is either a goon faking a PR or is an actual PR like Titus/DotW, they can abuse no kills to direct the town through 3 straight mislims to their victory.

In this situation:
8 players now. Lim Kerset or myself (town flip)
7 Players. Scum No kills while Math JKs the other of Kerset or myself.
7 Players toMorrow. Lim the other one of us (town flip)
6 players in the Night. No kill
We lim Math because after 3 nights of No kill his claim looks highly suspicious

I think we lim him now to lock Andres in as town, we have 2 conftown in Andres/Nero if Math is town. Scum can only kill 1, we go into 6 player MELO with 1 conftown so it's like 5P but we have an insurance policy of conftown wielding the hammer so it's harder for scum to quickhammer.

VOTE: Math

So I rescind all this, I thought we were at 2 scum

Help me here…I really think this is a traitor slip…someone convince me I am paranoid again.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Dragon

Peace out. Working today.

Can we stop drama fighting and go for scum?

I don’t think Dragon is scum sorry.

[MathBlade]

Like Kerset doesn’t want the elim and Kyo doesn’t want the block is the simplest explanation for the dogpile

When tomorrow this all just ends up sorted.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I dont think Kerset and I are correct mechanically. Math can confirm us if he is town, and if he is scum he has to claim he confirmed us each night in order to maintain his cover. So we dont kill him and we dont kill Kerset or I, and Math has to keep confirming us. I think he just tells DGB his targets rather than publicizing it so if either of us are scum we cant try to no kill to frame the other. Nero and Andre's are conf, Kerset and I are confirmable, DGB is useable for Math's targets in the case Math ever dies. So we kill DotW/Titus during the day, let Math do his Jailkeeper investigations, if he clears all the VTs he just gets POEd I think.

Let's try this again with the correct #of scum left

8 alive, 1 scum. Lim Titus/DotW
Scum kills not Math, presumably Nero or Andres, Math clears either me or Kerset
6 alive, we lim the other of Titus/DotW
Scum kills not Math, one of the cleared VTs
4 alive, we have Math, 2 cleared VTs, and DGB. Scum either in Math or DGB.

Scum can diverge and kill Math early and we still have some confirmed VTs.

The only way we can go wrong right now is specifically if Math is scum AND we lim in the VTs. Lim claimed PRs, if they're town, we confirm their power and can reassess how balanced a simple JK is in the setup later.

Idc which, DotW or Titus

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also if Math ever jails an already confirmed town we lim him

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just force him to keep confirming VTs

[MathBlade]

I dont think Kerset and I are correct mechanically. Math can confirm us if he is town, and if he is scum he has to claim he confirmed us each night in order to maintain his cover. So we dont kill him and we dont kill Kerset or I, and Math has to keep confirming us. I think he just tells DGB his targets rather than publicizing it so if either of us are scum we cant try to no kill to frame the other. Nero and Andre's are conf, Kerset and I are confirmable, DGB is useable for Math's targets in the case Math ever dies. So we kill DotW/Titus during the day, let Math do his Jailkeeper investigations, if he clears all the VTs he just gets POEd I think.

Let's try this again with the correct #of scum left

8 alive, 1 scum. Lim Titus/DotW
Scum kills not Math, presumably Nero or Andres, Math clears either me or Kerset
6 alive, we lim the other of Titus/DotW
Scum kills not Math, one of the cleared VTs
4 alive, we have Math, 2 cleared VTs, and DGB. Scum either in Math or DGB.

Scum can diverge and kill Math early and we still have some confirmed VTs.

The only way we can go wrong right now is specifically if Math is scum AND we lim in the VTs. Lim claimed PRs, if they're town, we confirm their power and can reassess how balanced a simple JK is in the setup later.

Idc which, DotW or Titus

Nah I think we elim in the VTs. I block the other.

If scum no kill they gain nothing. I don’t think you’re town.

Scum are much more likely in the VT claims.

Titus being TA makes sense for balance
DoTW if scum pulled a move from Shadowrun so I highly doubt him.

[Kerset]

I dont think Kerset and I are correct mechanically. Math can confirm us if he is town, and if he is scum he has to claim he confirmed us each night in order to maintain his cover. So we dont kill him and we dont kill Kerset or I, and Math has to keep confirming us. I think he just tells DGB his targets rather than publicizing it so if either of us are scum we cant try to no kill to frame the other. Nero and Andre's are conf, Kerset and I are confirmable, DGB is useable for Math's targets in the case Math ever dies. So we kill DotW/Titus during the day, let Math do his Jailkeeper investigations, if he clears all the VTs he just gets POEd I think.

Let's try this again with the correct #of scum left

8 alive, 1 scum. Lim Titus/DotW
Scum kills not Math, presumably Nero or Andres, Math clears either me or Kerset
6 alive, we lim the other of Titus/DotW
Scum kills not Math, one of the cleared VTs
4 alive, we have Math, 2 cleared VTs, and DGB. Scum either in Math or DGB.

Scum can diverge and kill Math early and we still have some confirmed VTs.

The only way we can go wrong right now is specifically if Math is scum AND we lim in the VTs. Lim claimed PRs, if they're town, we confirm their power and can reassess how balanced a simple JK is in the setup later.

Idc which, DotW or Titus

why are you sure that last scum is vanilla?