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[MathBlade]

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MathBlade (1)

- Kerset

Kerset (1)

- DrippingGoofball

Dragon of the West (1)

- Titus

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Mathblade

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: Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, Andresvmb, ssbm_Kyouko

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I wanna hear from Titus DoTW and Andres.

Nothing has changed.

You’re still arguing DoTW scum despite me saying the message from DoTW requires coaching from someone who knew the Shadowrun game which fypov shouldn’t be possible?

I don't get it.

DoTW is showing too much originality and forethought into the messages to be scum. In Shadowrun I did similar with my messages and milked it for all it was worth. DoTW doesn’t seem to be doing the same here. There’s no Lamisting just working with people. I don’t see DoTW as scum.

I don’t see you as scum either.

So Kerset/Kyo seems the right move then if a kill still happens then scum had a PR

[Titus]

Even if you disagree with DotW being scum (I feel like he's manipulating the gamestate to his liking, particularly when A50 can't out what he sent), then it doesn't follow to eliminate in the VTs at all.

It would logically follow to eliminate DGB.

[MathBlade]

Even if you disagree with DotW being scum (I feel like he's manipulating the gamestate to his liking, particularly when A50 can't out what he sent), then it doesn't follow to eliminate in the VTs at all.

It would logically follow to eliminate DGB.

But I can out what he sent to A50. So yeah I have like no interest in DoTW. I elim you if it’s a you v DoTW but I think you’re both town.

DGB is a “meh” have to elim but I much prefer VTs.

[Kerset]

So Titus you think that your role has 2 scum and between two~four townies, which can't be checked? Also got novice for some reason?

[DrippingGoofball]

So Titus you think that your role has 2 scum and between two~four townies, which can't be checked? Also got novice for some reason?

That has been on my mind.

[Dragon of the West]

@Nero or I guess anyone else who agrees with the 5 VT setup spec - what about 5 VTs makes so much sense in the case of this game? Is 5 PRs and 5 VTs for town just super common and balanced? Or is there something about this game that makes that amount more likely?

I don't really want to out my thought process here yet but I'd like this answered

[DrippingGoofball]

A50 NK'd... and not MathBlade...

[Dragon of the West]

I don't think that is what's going on. It's a brain fart of the kind that scum is unlikely to do.

I usually don't give any credence to dumb tells, but unless this is a traitor game I think that's a real townslip from Kyo...and I don't think this is a traitor game

[Dragon of the West]

No result is as good as guilty in that situation

Because of this, I'm not sure if CSF was trying to protect someone from being rolecopped or just buy another day.

This ties into my 5 VT paranoia

[MathBlade]

A50 NK'd... and not MathBlade...

Which lends to me being town. If scum shoot me they instantly reveal I am useful and scum in the VTs.

If I am scum then scum don’t need a rolecop voyeur.
Titus as claimed is not a threat until N2 and enough fake guilties to be dodged.
DoTW as claimed is not a threat.
Ythan is one shot.

The only semi sorta threat in that list is House and a vig if one even exists. Hell I am thinking a vig shot CSF and claimed VT.

But I think without scum being in the VTs my role just isn’t a thing a mod puts in.

[MathBlade]

I don't think that is what's going on. It's a brain fart of the kind that scum is unlikely to do.

I usually don't give any credence to dumb tells, but unless this is a traitor game I think that's a real townslip from Kyo...and I don't think this is a traitor game

Thank you for answering my question

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Kerset

[Dragon of the West]

OK.. sharing the plan without the code works for me..

He was mainly asking if it's worth giving each of us a code number (ex: #4 would be me) and then message the PRs with it (but wanted my feedback on who's Scum to avoid letting them in). PRs then would crumb their target using that code.

That way -say- if Math died while he was supposedly blocking Kerset we know Kerset didn't do it.

The upside is Scum can't tell if Math was on them, so can't try a No-Kill gambit, nor can they avoid shooting Math's target. The downside is there's still a none-zero chance the last Scum isn't Vanilla, but has claimed to be, so Math's block isn't a guilty (but a lack of a NK is still likely an innocent check on the target)

And before anyone thinks "DotW is SCUM and wants to know who Math would be targeting to work around that" I ask you this: Why waste a night asking for a claimed VT advice before he messages Math?? And even assuming 2 Scums alive (very doubtful, but still a none-zero chance) why won't he message Titus before me?

So, the very fact that he decided to delay the plan and ask for advice from me clears him, because TODAY he still doesn't get any info, because none of the living PRs knows what number would be assigned to their target.

@Titus - if you were paying any attention at all rather than blindly tunneling without a case, you'd see A50 ALREADY SAID what I messaged him. The only detail he didn't include is the number assignments for obvious reasons.

Math can choose whether he wants to use the numbers, announce in thread like yesterday, tell DGB in the hood PT, or any combination of those. And if town!Math, using some combination of those frankly gives him and town the best chance to coordinate and potentially catch scum. Scum can't kill Math, DGB, myself, and the person I message tonight all at once

[MathBlade]

OK.. sharing the plan without the code works for me..

He was mainly asking if it's worth giving each of us a code number (ex: #4 would be me) and then message the PRs with it (but wanted my feedback on who's Scum to avoid letting them in). PRs then would crumb their target using that code.

That way -say- if Math died while he was supposedly blocking Kerset we know Kerset didn't do it.

The upside is Scum can't tell if Math was on them, so can't try a No-Kill gambit, nor can they avoid shooting Math's target. The downside is there's still a none-zero chance the last Scum isn't Vanilla, but has claimed to be, so Math's block isn't a guilty (but a lack of a NK is still likely an innocent check on the target)

And before anyone thinks "DotW is SCUM and wants to know who Math would be targeting to work around that" I ask you this: Why waste a night asking for a claimed VT advice before he messages Math?? And even assuming 2 Scums alive (very doubtful, but still a none-zero chance) why won't he message Titus before me?

So, the very fact that he decided to delay the plan and ask for advice from me clears him, because TODAY he still doesn't get any info, because none of the living PRs knows what number would be assigned to their target.

@Titus - if you were paying any attention at all rather than blindly tunneling without a case, you'd see A50 ALREADY SAID what I messaged him. The only detail he didn't include is the number assignments for obvious reasons.

Math can choose whether he wants to use the numbers, announce in thread like yesterday, tell DGB in the hood PT, or any combination of those. And if town!Math, using some combination of those frankly gives him and town the best chance to coordinate and potentially catch scum. Scum can't kill Math, DGB, myself, and the person I message tonight all at once

I pretty much said you came up with a Shadowrun system which meant a code for who does what when which I did with Jailkeeper/doctor with Frozen Angel years ago. I think it’s too try hardy to be scum. I have already said what I am doing openly. If we disagree and elim a PR I will give DGB only a two digit number. Then DoTW will be able to decode it as I am one number and the other my target and it’s not the player list.

[MathBlade]

DGB if scum then has to give the number honestly or out itself or shoot you. Which means I just out it the next day.

So I think elim Kerset block Kyo to be sure wins the game.

[Titus]

So Titus you think that your role has 2 scum and between two~four townies, which can't be checked? Also got novice for some reason?

So Titus you think that your role has 2 scum and between two~four townies, which can't be checked? Also got novice for some reason?

That has been on my mind.

This is why I want to eliminate in the people I cannot check.

[Dragon of the West]

Math - are you cool with me messaging the list to 2?

I'm now kicking myself for not making the code multiple digits or more complex lol

[Titus]

I still don't get the point of a code. No one doubts DotW is a mailman. There's no unclaimed to keep hidden.

[MathBlade]

So Titus you think that your role has 2 scum and between two~four townies, which can't be checked? Also got novice for some reason?

So Titus you think that your role has 2 scum and between two~four townies, which can't be checked? Also got novice for some reason?

That has been on my mind.

This is why I want to eliminate in the people I cannot check.

Isn’t that everyone? *confused*

[MathBlade]

Math - are you cool with me messaging the list to 2?

I'm now kicking myself for not making the code multiple digits or more complex lol

Yep. I am cool with it.

[Dragon of the West]

Which lends to me being town. If scum shoot me they instantly reveal I am useful and scum in the VTs.

This is a little shortsighted, I feel. If scum don't shoot town!you, it could be because they're a PR fake claiming VT and they're eagerly awaiting their "clear". It's also why I'm paranoid that CSF was baiting rolecop to remove a fakeclaimed VTs ability to get caught

[MathBlade]

If I was wrong scum would agree and nuzzle up and go “Yeah sure”

They aren’t. It’s been fighting each day.

Anything scum don’t want I do.

[Kerset]

A50 NK'd... and not MathBlade...

Which lends to me being town.

and Math being nightkilled would lend towards him being scum. #MathLogic

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I still don't get the point of a code. No one doubts DotW is a mailman. There's no unclaimed to keep hidden.

It allows Math to crumb targets via the code without having to rely on DGB's honesty in the event of Math's death. I think right now only Math and DotW know the code - I was worried about, what if Math dies, DotW can say the numbers mean anything he wants, but as long as he keeps sending the code to someone new every night until Math dies (at which point the code is kinda useless), it's fine. If he doesn't send the code to someone new one night and Math dies it gets sus.

I'm wary of DotW putting stock in my memory lapse as a townslip because I feel like scum are more likely to take that at face value. But idk if holistically he seems scummy. I feel like if I don't step up and solve I just never die and I stay somewhat lost in this game. I think the mech spec is getting to me here a bit too much and I've long since lost sight of the forest. Do we actually have cases on anyone at this point or is it mostly "there's 5 PRs, we should lim in the PRs" vs "there's 6 PRs, we should lim in the VTs"?

[Dragon of the West]

If I was wrong scum would agree and nuzzle up and go “Yeah sure”

They aren’t. It’s been fighting each day.

Anything scum don’t want I do.

Well you're still proposing scum in VTs, which under my scenario they wouldn't like. They would never nuzzle up to that if they could focus lims in the PRs AND get you to "clear" them.

But this is exactly why I want to understand what's so common about 5 VTs; I have such little experience with setup spec I have no idea how confident I should be that there'd definitely be 5 VTs in a game like this or if my paranoia is warranted at all