AI UPCIK PART II | Compromised

[Almost50]

If you're town, I will gladly come apologize. I expect an apology too for you leading my mislim

Mate, you're Macho.. a -ve utility. Ari is a +ve utility. I don't know why you're so upset. I did offer myself -albeit as a last option- to save Ari.

[Dwlee99]

Ari can't even act tonight if dotw has no ability

[Almost50]

To eliminate DotW who was actually playing and that I had a townread on

I don't care about your reads. As far as I'm concerned you could be scum claiming that Miller BS. I play according to my own reads and strategy, and you should know that by now.

[Dwlee99]

Yea but looks like my read was right

[Almost50]

Ari can't even act tonight if dotw has no ability

But he probably will have to choose between two abilities on N2. That is a + in itself

[Almost50]

Yea but looks like my read was right

With you shouting I was Scum every other post??

[Dwlee99]

Anyone who voted DotW to sheep mastina needs to be checked. Here's Mastina's first reads list from my last game with her for reference

Green Cap Boys

The Emperor
ta vera

NorwegianboyEE

{

The Limit Does Not Exist

,

Dwlee99

,

Titus

}

cass.bruant

Fairy Circle

(hydra of Momrangal and Flea the Magician)

Bingle

Rough readslist. I realize it's not great but is all I've got.

[Dwlee99]

Yea but looks like my read was right

With you shouting I was Scum every other post??

Given how pro-scum your agenda seems to be can you blame me?

[Dragon of the West]

If you're town, I will gladly come apologize. I expect an apology too for you leading my mislim

Mate, you're Macho.. a -ve utility. Ari is a +ve utility. I don't know why you're so upset. I did offer myself -albeit as a last option- to save Ari.

I'm not actually upset, sorry if my tone comes off that way. Sometimes I think my writing comes off sounding more serious than I mean it

[Dragon of the West]

Also, like I said in an earlier post, I'm not a terrible mislim because my role sucks. But also now Ari can't use a power N1 and that's what you all were arguing you needed to judge him on

[Dragon of the West]

A50 - I genuinely enjoy playing with you; hope you know that. I just think you're scum here

@Skybird - sorry for calling you a ding dong, that was also supposed to be more jovial than it probably sounded

[Almost50]

I just think you're scum here

Repeating that again and again won't make it true, my friend. I dunno if the dead thread is spoilered or not, but if it is then you can both know my alignment and judge my reads. Sorry if I didn't get you right, but I think over all my reads coinciding with those of the mastinas and Titus is a good sign

Oh,and @Dwlee: DO you think mastina is playing it solo? Did you forget mollie's in that hydra too?

[Dragon of the West]

As I stated in the post, I looked at the 3 slots I saw the most chatter about/suspicion on at the time.

Can you quote the chatter/suspicion about me prior to your post about me?

Someone make Ari answer this though for me

[Dwlee99]

I just think you're scum here

Repeating that again and again won't make it true, my friend. I dunno if the dead thread is spoilered or not, but if it is then you can both know my alignment and judge my reads. Sorry if I didn't get you right, but I think over all my reads coinciding with those of the mastinas and Titus is a good sign

Oh,and @Dwlee: DO you think mastina is playing it solo? Did you forget mollie's in that hydra too?

Idk Mollie's accuracy. I assume regardless of player the reads are less likely to be accurate because they don't have the benefit of interacting in thread like we do. My point is that anyone who decided to kill DotW cause of that reads list needs to be looked at

[Almost50]

Where did you get that I have no reads? You asked me who the SCUM are, and I said I don't know. You didn't ask about my TOWN reads, of which I have many.

By play unwnd & Skybird are strong TRs to me.

Gamma is a strong enough but as strong as the two forementioned.

Meg is a Town Lean, and so are you (but only due to your claim if I'm being candid). I also have NDmath in this category but I forgot why that is.

I am still not cpmfprtable with either of Mon or Kop slots, but my push on them has been rebuked and I kind of felt disappointed as that stopped the game from progressing OMHO. They didn't need to actually get eliminated, but I thought some genuine real pressure on either could have given the game a good push forward. Now I'm just watching things develpp naturally and waiting for the day to end so I can start connecting dots.

Anything else you wnna ask? Fell free to shoot .. just as long as you try your best to make it specific, if you please.

1. Almost50 - Town
2. NDmath - Lean Town
3. Dwlee99 - Town
5. Yuki - Lean Scum
6. Taroumaru - GTMH town would elim
7. Aristophanes - Lean Scum
8. Gamma Emerald - Lean Town
9. Skybird - Strong town lean
10. Momrangal - Wait on replacement
11. Superbowl9 - Need more
12. Titus - Pathetic town
13. Pesto - Who?
14. Radical Rat - Ok with elim to see if town is going in the right direction but not my favorite
15. KittyTacky - Lean Scum
16. Dragon Of The West - Lean Scum

2m

During DAY, only 1 100-letter'r

2m

T

A50
GE
Ari
Tits
D99
Meg

LT

Yu

ki

S

ky

sb

9

N

Taro
ND
unw

R

R

S

KT/K
STD
DotW

Evidently I was working on my on reads, but I did find comfort in these two read lists that were both posted AFTER my own.

[Gamma Emerald]

>_<

[Gypyx]

votecount 1.15

Dragon Of The West (9) :

Aristophanes ; Titus ; Almost50 ; Skybird ; Radical Rat ; unwnd ; Yuki Takeya ; NDmath ; Dwlee99

Aristophanes (4) :

Save The Dragons ; Taroumaru ; Dragon Of The West ; Gamma Emerald

Almost50 (1) :

superbowl9

Skybird (1) :

Kop

Not Voting (0) :

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-03 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute someone

[Gypyx]

Dragon Of The West was...

Spoiler:

The Wicker Man

Welcome ! You are

The Wicker Man

You may not be protected from attacks

You win if

The Kingdom

Survive to see all threats to them dead

Night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-10-05 11:55:44)

[Gypyx]

2m, aka two mastinas

Hi there. This is mastina writing this, though hopefully, what I send will have mollie's blessing by the time I submit it with mollie having a chance to say everything they want to say as well in here. (We're obviously a bit limited on time given that we only have 48 hours to submit a night post and if we don't use it, we lose it.)

Apologies that this is going to be a wallpost of wallposts, but sadly, we cannot post unlimited during the night phase. We get one 100-character post during the day (thankfully, bbcode doesn't count towards the total, but if it's visible as a letter/number, it counts as a character, so while we can do a fair amount, we still have only a finite amount we can say), and we get one unlimited-character post during the night. Given we only get the one post, we've no choice but to make the unlimited post be a wall with a full day phase's worth of information to go through.
(For clarity, we start the game confirmed to be town aligned, but considered dead, and as we are dead, our communication is limited. Unfortunately a basically-nerfed treestump. So DO try to make the most out of when we DO use our posts, please.)

First off, let's start with this.

During DAY, only 1 100-letter'r

T

A50
GE
Ari
Tits
D99
Meg

LT

Yu

ki

S

ky

sb

9

N

Taro
ND
unw

R

R

S

KT/K
STD
DotW

I was a

little

miffed that the discussion after I posted this was about speculating on our role instead of speculating on our reads. If literally any of you have QUOTED this post, you'd have seen I did the absolute best I could to work around the limited characters by even including links to our scumreads here! (Did you read how I linked to the MegAzumarill posts on Kop? Did you notice the link to STD's scum entrance into the game? The post mollie and I both instantly locked onto as being proof of STD being scum this game? Did you? Because literally nobody said anything about this.)

To go into these reads, Almost50 is a common townread as both mollie and I universally believe this is Almost50 at his absolute towniest he's ever been. He's locktown of locktown.

Aristophanes is not that far behind, so shame on you for repeatedly trying to wagon him in spite of the person who has the best read accuracy on Aristophanes listing Ari as town even before Ari's claim (which shoulda elevated Ari to conftown for y'all). A50 is excluded from this, obv, as he was one of the only slots who

did

listen to us on Ari being town (thanks A50 <3), but Ari is a never-eliminate here.

Titus is mostly a treat-as-town read from us, although she may be higher as town especially from mollie. I particularly liked her entrance into the game with her unwnd suspicion (see below for more on that), mollie thought that Titus's later posting in the game was quite town.

Gamma Emerald is a weaker townread I believe we both hold. (This read may need reevaluation given the townflip on DotW obv but for

now

GE is "town enough".)

MegAzumarill lacks the meta experience I have on other townreads, but is just so absurdly town from this game alone. Purely by play, Meg would be one of my strongest townreads, up there with A50 and Ari in strength. mollie initially didn't have a read there, but now also thinks the slot is townish.

Dwlee looked town to me from their claim but this is a read I am currently reevaluating. mollie currently thinks Dwlee's play doesn't line up with their claim and while I'm not sure one way or another, the townread there was

largely

role-based and is something I find is not unreasonable to now put into question. mollie wants Dwlee dead before mylo for sure, and I'm inclined to agree.


For Lean Towns, I'm pretty sure Yuki's town here (tho mollie was the gray--mollie's read on Yuki is more ambivalent, divided between gut/head on scum/town). since then, mollie has said that they're not townreading Yuki, but they at least think that Yuki isn't scum with Taro so if Taro flips scum, it'd look good for Yuki. (Note: the people reading my list actually got the me/mollie colors backwards. I consistently listed MY read first and mollie's read second. So for the green Yu, that's me, and the gray ki, that's mollie.)

When it comes to Skybird, Skybird is someone who I initially thought was scum (Skybird's entrance gave off STRONG scum vibes to me), but mollie is very very very sure that Skybird is town here. Since then, I've become a lot more receptive to Skybird being town from Skybird's later posting. I'm not

convinced

Skybird is town, but I'm willing to trust mollie's read on Skybird.

superbowl9 initially looked town to me, but mollie hard-scumread sb9 here. With the slot being replaced as of the end of the day, it's up in the air as to what this slot's alignment is, we won't be able to really know until the slot is filled and the slot is posting on D2.

It's at this point I feel it's important to mention:

mollie and I believe that this game, being AI-generated, will not necessarily conform to conventional balance standards.

I, personally, believe there should be less than 9 anti-town members to find, in order for the game to still be a game, and that if the AI generated a setup with 10 or more anti-town, Gypyx would reroll things.

So we're expecting there to be anywhere from 4-7 anti-town, mayyyyybe 8, but shouldn't be 9 or more.

Spoiler: Setup stuff

With 17 players we'd normally be looking for ~4 scum. Obviously, that's not the most applicable for the AI generated setup as we could have multiball or a lot more scum than normal but I'd

assume

that the game, being reviewed for balance, means that the town has reasonable odds of winning, so something like 9 antitown is unrealistically high meaning that a more realistic amount of antitown is in the 4-7 range.

(this part was later)
Multiball is explicitly possible--even if there's a sizeable scumteam, the scumteam is probably not assuming it's singleball. Given Gypyx explicitly said the AI could generate a multiball setup, even if there were 5 members in a scumteam they could still be genuinely scumhunting assuming there's another (smaller, like 2-4 member) scumteam in the game.

Meaning I'd explicitly expect the rules of multiball scumhunting to apply, in that you can't rely on "this slot is scumhunting" as a metric for them being town because scum will do that, too; we should be looking more into other scum indicators and other town indicators (things town do that scum are less likely to do, things that scum do even in multiball games).

Meaning that when I say that names are 'null', what I really mean is,
"This is where the scum pool begins", in that when we get to the bottom ~7 names on the readslist, it's not too unrealistic to think that literally all of them could be scum.

Taro there's just not much of anything there to be seen. I did however actually slightly misplace Taro. mollie did

initially

have Taro as null like I do, but later said Taro was acting scummy, so Taro should've been slightly lower (albeit not to the same strong-scum levels as our other reads).

NDMath there's also very little to be seen--NDMath has been posting, and more constructively so at that, but nothing truly sticks out as really alignment-indicative. Initially mollie had NDMath as a null. However, mollie thinks the slot is townish currently.

unwnd is a slot we had heavy ambivalence on at the time, although we've since come to the conclusion unwnd looks sus-as-fuck and unwnd is one of our main scumreads. I initially thought that unwnd's entrance looked hella-suspicious and didn't give off townvibes, but then later doubted this with ambivalence where I could see it either way. However, mollie, too, ALSO thinks the same: that if unwnd were town here, that unwnd would look town here and unwnd here just...doesn't look town. At all.

Radical Rat is basically an inverse Skybird: I have liked, rather strongly, basically everything Radical Rat has posted, including RR's claim looking town to me. mollie...hasn't, with mollie having thought RR's content was quite strong scum overall. At the time we posted our combined readslist, mollie had moved RR up to null, but that was the highest point RR has been to mollie and for both before, and after, that, RR has been a scumread of mollie's. I trust mollie's ability to read RR more than I trust my own, but I DO disagree with the scumread there, in spite of my willingness to trust mollie on it.

Then we get to the scumreads.
I could explain the DotW scumread (it was mostly mine tho mollie did share it), but given the townflip there, best to focus on the others.

When it comes to KittyTacky/Kop, KittyTacky was heavily null-at-best (with a minor lean towards scum). Kop's posting, per MegAzumarill's reasoning, is incredibly suspect. I realize Kop claimed a confirmable role--but both me and mollie remain skeptical of this, especially given the need for a replacement in the first place for KittyTacky.

And when it comes to SaveTheDragons, both mollie and I are sure that the immediate wallpost of effort from STD is a scumclaim from him, and that literally everything STD's done since coming into the game has been incredibly scum-motivated.


Other (potentially) important things:

Spoiler: mastina RVS posting

*glares at whoever killed mastina*

The person who killed us is whoever submitted 'Lord of the Tomb' as our role as our role is what killed us.

Also while I realize there's not much point in me doing my normal town town? scum? scum list due to the mechanics, for my own sanity I'm doing it anyway.

First

VOTE: Pesto

Town.

Also I'm a universal miller

Why can’t we be friends, and unite against the real enemy, the jocks?
VOTE: Superbowl9

​Town?

VOTE: MegA
Thanks for sabotaging 3d20 with that fake bus driver roll claim just to replace out lol

Scum.

VOTE: Dragon of the West
(Yes I know we don't have a vote but this is where I'd vote if alive.)

Spoiler: more mastina rvs posting

No read on NDMath yet but as of p3 I'm upgrading my townreads on both Dwlee and Gamma and putting Radical Rat as a lean town.

Skybird is scum? to me. (As in, not as confscum as Dragon of the West is because Dragon of the West is painfully obviously scum here, but still looks more scum than town to me right now.)

I also lean town on superbowl9; I have no read on Titus and am ambivalent on Momrangal (my first instinct was town but then I second-guessed it to scum so not sure).

I buy Meg's claim enough to have Meg as town enough.

So on page three, my reads:

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Taroumaru (not posted)
Pesto (not posted)
KittyTacky (not posted)
NDmath (no read)
Titus (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Aristophanes (not posted but below the others because of the ol' Aristophanes tell)

Skybird

Dragon Of The West

Loosely: town, lean town, null, null-with-a-lean-scum, weak scumread, hard-lockscum.

(The Aristophanes tell being Ari posting = Ari town, Ari not posting = Ari scum. Obviously, this is both an oversimplification and outdated, as basically a straw-tell: not really real as a true tell which isn't truly applicable, because it's a lot more complicated and nuanced than that. Once Aristophanes DID start posting, though, Ari immediately became obvtown.)

Spoiler: mastina Setup stuff + more early initial takes of mine

With 17 players we'd normally be looking for ~4 scum. Obviously, that's not the most applicable for the AI generated setup as we could have multiball or a lot more scum than normal but I'd

assume

that the game, being reviewed for balance, means that the town has reasonable odds of winning, so something like 9 antitown is unrealistically high meaning that a more realistic amount of antitown is in the 4-7 range.

Given that, I'd say to look for 4-7 scum, which I legitimately honestly think my readslist is already in the right zone for.

All of my townreads I'm pretty damn confident in;
All of my townleans I also feel pretty damn good about.

So that'd leave 4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Titus, Momrangal, Aristophanes, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.

9 names for 4-7 scum is a pretty damn good start imo.

Spoiler: page 5 mastina reads

Okay with Aristophanes having posted on page 5, I lean town on Ari (well actually I kinda want to locktown Ari), which brings me to:

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Taroumaru (not posted)
Pesto (not posted)
KittyTacky (no read from the singular post)
NDmath (no read)
Titus (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Skybird

Dragon Of The West

4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Titus, Momrangal, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.

Spoiler: mastina initial unwnd read + readslist progression

unwnd (Pestro's slot)'s entrance is not giving me the townvibes here at all--very alarming, as I'd expect unwnd to look town here if town. I realize unwnd tried to excuse this with "don't expect the normal from me", but that in of itself was also somewhat suspect in my opinion. Beyond that, unwnd's content since replacing in is immediate sus vibes so unwnd can join the Skybird level of scumread. (I'm not SURE unwnd is scum in the way I am instantly sure Dragon of the West is scum, but I do THINK unwnd is scum here.)

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Taroumaru (not posted)
KittyTacky (no read from the singular post)
NDmath (no read)
Titus (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Skybird
Pesto/unwnd

Dragon Of The West

Locktown townread various forms of null scumread HARD-lockscum.

4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Titus, Momrangal, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.

Spoiler: mastina most-of-D1 reads, Titus townread, to ~199

Titus voting unwnd immediately gives me overall +townvibes here--she could be scum bussing, she could be scum with unwnd not, but I think unwnd is scum and I think Titus realizing unwnd was suspicious is +town for her overall.

Which brings me to, as of the thread being at post 197 (me fully caught up to what's been posted):

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Titus

Taroumaru (not posted)
KittyTacky (no read from the singular post)
NDmath (no read)
Momrangal (ambivalent)

Skybird
Pesto/unwnd

Dragon Of The West

Locktown townread townlean various forms of null scumread HARD-lockscum.

4-7 scum in:
{Taroumaru, Pesto, KittyTacky, NDMath, Momrangal, Skybird, Dragon of the West}.

Spoiler: mastina extra post on the above

(For the record I actually feel really REALLY damn confident in all of the townreads until Titus and on my Dragon of the West scumread. It's to the point where if I could get reads on the various shades of null, dead serious, I would be fine with making our singular post for the day early rather than waiting until near deadline. But obviously, if [mollie needed] time for [mollie's] own reads and/or disagree with mine, we'll need to hash them out more anyway.)

Spoiler: mollie's first readslist, at about the same spot in the game as above, ~200

Town

Almost50
Skybird

maybe Ari or Gamma here

Titus - will treat as town

Null/Ambiguous

Yuki - reads as town, gut says scum
unwnd - like Yuki but maybe reversed

Dwelee is meh but should be easy to resolve.

NDMath, Meg, Kittytacky, Dragon are all just kind of there.

Momrangel always pings, in every game, but especially here.

Rad rat and Superbowl give off scum vibes.

We began to hash things out and work on our post from there.

Spoiler: mollie's followthrough/beginning to compromise

We can definitely meet in the middle here with reads, and I have noticed in the games we played in, we tend to catch scum in that way. Let's keep Sky in the town pile for now, maybe? Can we watch Unwnd?

Kitkat might not be a terrible lim.

Spoiler: mollie pointing out the lack of SvS in unwnd-DotW

If this is a bus, it is the worst bussing I have ever seen.

From Dragon of the West:

There's so many people in this game I haven't played with before. Can't wait to read everyone terribly.

VOTE: unwnd
I just don't like the wording of their posts so far. Feels fluffy and fake

I agreed with this, but with Dragon of the West having flipped town, that opens unwnd back up for being scum.

Spoiler: mollie on Taro + setup spec from mollie

Oh and Taromaru looks scummy.

It feels like a multiball game.

To that, I said:

Spoiler: more setup spec

is explicitly possible--even if there's a sizeable scumteam, the scumteam is probably not assuming it's singleball. Given Gypyx explicitly said the AI could generate a multiball setup, even if there were 5 members in a scumteam they could still be genuinely scumhunting assuming there's another (smaller, like 2-4 member) scumteam in the game.

Meaning I'd explicitly expect the rules of multiball scumhunting to apply, in that you can't rely on "this slot is scumhunting" as a metric for them being town because scum will do that, too; we should be looking more into other scum indicators and other town indicators (things town do that scum are less likely to do, things that scum do even in multiball games).

In the process of developing our reads,

Spoiler: mastina on unwnd + KittyTacky + penultimate-from-D1post readslist

For the record, have shifted my read (which is reflected above) on unwnd and KittyTacky/Kop in that unwnd has gone from a scumlean to ambivalent-null and KittyTacky/Kop has gone from null to a scumlean.

Town

Almost50
Yuki
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Aristophanes

Lesser Town

Superbowl9
MegAzumarill
Radical Rat

Treating Town

Titus

Null/Ambiguous

Taroumaru
NDmath
Momrangal (ambivalent)
Pesto/unwnd (ambivalent)

Lesser Scum

Skybird
KittyTacky/Kop

Greater Scum

Dragon Of The West

(I also tried to form mollie's reads into a list and create an initial compromise-readslist, which the following was in response to)

Spoiler: mollie giving further reads input

Move Titus up.

Dweelee and Meg up

Dragon and kop down to scumreads

solid on skybird, almost50 slipped but still town. I just have an overactive imagination.

And then Save the Dragons replaced in, which mollie immediately called out:

Spoiler: mollie on STD

I think Save the Dragons/Momrangel is scum here, with that deliberate IOA.

Spoiler: next mollie compromise

I am cool with moving Rad rat to null <3

Other than Skybird, we have similar reads.

It was at this point we (well, I, having gotten mollie's input) submitted our D1 post.

Spoiler: I, mastina, had WORDS to say to folks about this.

A bit frustrating that they're engaging the "can talk", and not the "what was said".

I even included LINKS to why we're scumreading KittyTacky/Kop and Save the Dragons and they're not being engaged on, and nobody's commenting on how Aristophanes is a townread of ours and I posted our single post on him after a wagon on him came up.

The slots who know me should know that I know Aristophanes here and that he's town. A50, Titus, maybe-GE, Aristophanes himself, all of them should be able to tell that I know how to read Aristophanes and am telling them not to vote there...

I am not going to vote Ari. It's true I don't have a read on him, but Sky is right.. offering to claim is + for him. Also the 2 mastinas TR him, so I am not going to go against that on D1.

What are the available alternatives? The mastinas have Kop/STD/DotW as their lim pool for today? I have just unvoted STD and it doesn't make sense for me to revote the same guy who talked me out of it the first time (not saying I am convinced he's Town, but let's see what he has to offer). So, Kop of DotW for me (DotW has pocketed me already, so likely Kop, but I am still open for suggestions if supported by good arguments)

THANK YOU FOR BEING THE ONE PERSON TO BLOODY LISTEN A50. <3

I do wish you'd listen a little bit MORE though. Like, actually quoting the post so you would see the bloody links.

Aristophanes should NOT be the D1 elimination goddammit.

Spoiler: mollie giving more input, on Aristophanes + unwnd + Kop

Aristophanes shouldn't be the D1 elimination.

Also I am scumreading unwnd. Last game I played with him, he was full of piss, vinegar and arrogance, and wasn't afraid to throw his weight around or get into slapfights. From what I learned in that game, that is a town trait for him.

Do you see that here? Because I do not.

If Kop was sitting on a proveable role, then why would kittykat replace out in the way that they did? I call shenanigans on that.

I am in full agreement with everything mollie said here.

Spoiler: mollie on Skybird + unwnd

Skybird:

It seems like Dwlee and RR are scum reading everyone I am town reading. The last few posts from A50 are kind of yucky but I still feel he is town. I get that RR thinks A50 tried to trick him into something, but I don't agree. RR wants an elim badly. He says he's willing to be the D1 lim which is nai in my opinion. The thing that seems more scummy is deciding he is not going to be the lim because his role is better than he thought. Thinking you have a good role isn't nai. It's just the way it all came down that feels hinky to me.

Skybird is pure here, I think, as town as A50. And I agree with this sentiment.

Unwnd is trying to move the wagon back onto Ari.

Yeah, unwnd is scum here.

I also fully agree with mollie here--I think Skybird's later posting like the quote was insanely town and that unwnd's posting was incredibly scum.

Spoiler: mollie on RR

Oh and I think Radrat is scummy now.

Way too much dithering for them.

This however I can't find myself agreeing with. I'm willing to

trust

mollie on RR, but I can't

agree

with it.

Spoiler: mollie's doubt on Dwlee

this really bugs me from Dwelee:

Also I am a universal Miller so I have no idea what will show up to role cops

Obvsly his role would show up as universal miller, but here he is concerned that it might show up as something else. I am renewing my suspicion of Radrat/Dwelee connection.

And while I neither agree nor disagree with mollie on this point (Dwlee's fallen off in read strength to me), it is definitely worth investigating further.

Spoiler: mollie's readslist during the night

SKybird - town
Almost50 - town, but I don't like that they are devoid of scumreads.
Ari - town
Titus - treat as town
Gamma - townish
Meg - town
Ndmath -townish

Dwelee - not liking this slot, needs to be limmed before deadline, really should be vigged.
Yuki - I am not really townreading them. I do think that Taro and Yuki are not scum together, though. So if Taro flips scum that would clear Yuki in my mind.
Taro - meh
Radrat - I actually originally had them as town and now I am scumreading them. His pushback on Almost50 looked genuine, but eh, I dunno. Something isn't right here.
unwmd - scummeh
kop - scummeh
std - lean scum, I think Dotw might have been correct in his std buddying assessment.
superbowl - seemed scummy

So with all of this said,

Updated Readslist

:

LOCKTOWN

:

Almost50
Aristophanes
MegAzumarill (mastina-townread + claim + mollie townread)

STRONG TOWN

:

Titus (both heads townreading)
Skybird (mollie VERY strongly townreading; mastina townreading)

WEAK TOWN

:

Gamma Emerald (both heads loosely town)
Yuki (mastina

town

+ mollie

ambi

valence

)
NDMath (basically pure null from mastina, but

townish

to mollie)

Below this = "can eliminate"

(especially if there's a lot of nontown players in the game)

:

CONFLICTED

:

Radical Rat (mastina

townread

, mollie

strong-scumread

)

NULL/PENDING REEVALUATION

:

Dwlee99 (looked

town enough

D1, claim seemed believable, but doubts to be had + mollie

scumread

)
superbowl9 (looked

town

to mastina but

strongly scum

to mollie, but due to the replacement, is a blank slate)

NULLSCUM

:

Taro (mastina pure null, but mollie thinks is

scummy

)

SCUM

:

Kop
Momrangal/Save the Dragons
unwnd

(final note: mollie said they don't

strongly

scumread anyone outside of unwnd, Kop, and STD)

mollie tl;dr

:

tl;dr

- y'all, it is a long read, but worth it because Mastina is mapping out exactly what we are thinking. We are here, anxiously watching everything, hoping to join you all at some point. Also sorry, Dragon of the West! We thought you looked scummy until you didn't and then it was too late. <3

[Gypyx]

enchant replaces superbowl9

[Gypyx]

redacted

[Gypyx]

so, extremely sorry about the delay, but i did an error and flipped the wrong player, i'll check in with the listmod on what to do, but in the meanwhile, if anyone saw the night's flips, please signal yourself to me, once again extremely sorry with the error

[Gypyx]

(ftr stuff isn't solved yet, i'll give a definitive start time when i can)

[Gypyx]

alright so, we're back to go, sorry for the disturbances everyone, and sadly as a consequence of seeing the wrong flips, unwnd / Save The Dragons will have to be replaced, i'll start the day once this is dealt with

i'll show the correct deaths once replacements are in

[Gypyx]

morning tweet replaces save the dragons ! One replacement left