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[Gamma Emerald]

mine

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d vote T3 or Toxic right now.

Want to see more from Camel.

myeah, camel was dismayed when he thought he wasn't gonna make it into this game, so I'd expect more effort from him rn

[DArby]

You brought it up 333, 339, and 340 as if it was but I can't tell if you're being hyperbolic or literal in how you're reacting.

[DArby]

If so, the answer is no.

You are not going to convince enough players with your current argument, to be able to realistically build up enough support to have an wagon on me that is big enough to eliminate.

I am not trying to build a wagon on you. I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

[DArby]

My vote against you is genuine yet but as stated previously I'm fine with a T3 push right now.

[DArby]

Also the questions are opened ended. Anyone can answer. I'm asking because I don't see why there are multiple votes there if there's not a wagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: T3
Eh I'm feeling like making some magic happen

[Val89]

If I have anything to do with it, DArby, yes there is a serious push on Norwee.

Look at how he seemed at least considered what the deal is with me at 182. Then marci puts a vote on me and he's like "fuck it, I'm all in".

You should note I'm not currently directing my ire at Marci, or Gamma, who also proceeded to make a "where's the wall?" case against me. But the tonal shift with Norwee suddenly seemed to put all doubts aside and jump in with wild abaddon gave me, and apparently others, bad vibes.

I could have written it off as someone who just wants to go hard on a D1 scumping to see if it shakes out while there isn't much more to go on, but I had been pretty clear that I didn't have any real reason to say he was scummy apart from those gutvibes. His reaction to the absolute

slightest

pushback though doesn't read as town to me. Look at the mini-tantrum that plays out:

What is this wagon on me even?

So because i’m voting Val for playing way different from what i expect of their townplay i’m being treated as an hardball pushing too much?
Really?

Is it ok for me to get slightly upset when i genuinely case someone and they do an Among Us: "no u" lazy ass vote and people join that wagon on me?

...because he has picked up a

single

unexplained vote from toxic. Then, just as soon as another slot indicates they aren't quite convinced by what Norwee is selling (and it's pretty mild point, although a decent one):

Yea yea idk I don't have a read there I just see words

But you're saying you don't read for intent which doesn't make sense to me

He hops straight off my wagon. Remember, this is well before Datisi confirmed me as town. It all smells rather defensive.

Since that reveal, he's been heavy with the same "ohh, you stupid newbie, why should we listen to YOU" attitude I got in the newbie game we played, which first twigged me I might be dealing with a scum!Norwee, and I was ultimately proven right.

All that to me says Norwee has a better than random chance of flipping scum, and yes, this is 100% an actual push. I would like to see a Norwee flip here.

[Dwlee99]

He hops straight off my wagon. Remember, this is well before Datisi confirmed me as town. It all smells rather defensive.

Since that reveal, he's been heavy with the same "ohh, you stupid newbie, why should we listen to YOU" attitude I got in the newbie game we played, which first twigged me I might be dealing with a scum!Norwee, and I was ultimately proven right.

All that to me says Norwee has a better than random chance of flipping scum, and yes, this is 100% an actual push. I would like to see a Norwee flip here.

I don't want norwee gone

[Val89]

I'm not suggesting you do, Dwlee99.

I am noting that Norwee hopped off my wagon and sheeps you onto the T3 one very soon after you expressed the faintest "hol up" to what Norwee was saying - pushing back, albeit very slightly, at the 'not reading for intent' comment.

He seemed pretty darn sure about my alignment at that point, but thinks its a good move to jump from an E-2 wagon to one with a single vote on it.

The only way to get reads is to keep the very real threat of DEATH hanging over the heads of those that wish to mislead us.

PROVE ME WRONG.

It just makes that ^ ring rather hollow, to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It all smells rather defensive.

Hello. My name is Norwee, pleased to make your acquaintance.

Since that reveal, he's been heavy with the same "ohh, you stupid newbie, why should we listen to YOU" attitude I got in the newbie game we played, which first twigged me I might be dealing with a scum!Norwee, and I was ultimately proven right.

No no, that’s just me hating on newbies. My actual scum tell was that i stopped caring.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He seemed pretty darn sure about my alignment at that point,

I never called you 100% scum.

[T3]

how many votes am i at

i know there's going to be a wagon on me even though i haven't caught up yet

i can feel it

[NorwegianboyEE]

I get it Val.

You saw me as scum and now you think my towngame looks like a beautiful saints melody in comparison.

But truth is i’m always a hot mess.

[T3]

t3

yes?

[T3]

Gamma Emerald - null town
toxictaipan - no idea
AnimeK - lean town
NorwegianboyEE - lock town
Val89 - lock scum
T3 - lock scum
DArby* - town
marcistar - town
Jolyne - town
Dwlee99 JarJarDrinks - lean scum
Not_Mafia* - null
redtea igorsprite - lean scum
camelCasedSnivy - null

[T3]

this may change after catchup

[Val89]

As well as you, I've seen firsthand Marci as scum. Same goes for T3 and Gamma. I wasn't getting the same vibes from them as I did you, though, which is why I made my "Gut." call; and it was, at that point, just that.

Toxic didn't explain his vote at all, and it was, after all, 3 votes; when you can successfully driven my wagon up to 5 and E-2. Your reaction to that, and the other things I've pointed to solidified that read to something more than gut; and I don't think it has anything to do with how I perceive your town game to be.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Seeing self-satisfied town pushing town is quite the sad sight.

[T3]

oh wait wtf i completely forgot that i'd read anything from pages 12-19 LMAO
no catchup then

[NorwegianboyEE]

when you can successfully driven my wagon up to 5 and E-2. Your reaction to that,

Are you gonna cry about it?

[DArby]

Gamma Emerald - null town
toxictaipan - no idea
AnimeK - lean town
NorwegianboyEE - lock town
Val89 - lock scum
T3 - lock scum
DArby* - town
marcistar - town
Jolyne - town
Dwlee99 JarJarDrinks - lean scum
Not_Mafia* - null
redtea igorsprite - lean scum
camelCasedSnivy - null

Why the asterisk?

[Not_Mafia]

Prods

[Val89]

Seeing self-satisfied town pushing town is quite the sad sight.

Look, I know I am probably not the audience for these sorts of things, but that's twice now, and you know I'm not about to go "Oh, you are town? Well, why didn't you say so before then!"

We shall see after your flip, whenever that comes, and if it proves you are on the right side of history; THEN you get a license to rag on me as much as you like, OK?

[marcistar]

hmm