Open 834: Trust Fall - Game Over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Tammy what should Prism be townreading you for?

[Prism]

I still have concerns but will give you space and time rather than grill you at the moment.

[Tammy]

I understood what you meant and

was expecting you to call me out for it.

literally what

The theory question wasn't so much of a theory question as me trying to understand your mindset. That's not quite right, but I've drank a lot of tea and too much caffeine makes me tweaky and that's the best I got. I can't quite word what exactly I was looking for with that question or if it would have helped me in any way, but I'm pretty sure you've stated before that you prefer to be the first one to go in a mafia team which I thought was interesting because you do have a strong scum game. So, you saying that you would prefer to go last felt a little incongruous with that previous statement and I wondered if it was due to the game mechanic or if it could be alignment relevant.

I agree that the incongruity was worth questioning, but do not know how to interpret the response given how wildly offbase some of this has been to me.

While the difference was explained more by the EM vs. MS treatment of my play trust fall is a setup that it doesn't work as well in mechanically, either, as you can't induce town to burn miselims like crazy and instead have to more actively convince them your partner is town.

Two things:

I’m not scumhunting yet. I expect you to call me out for that. I don’t know why that would be confusing. I get called out. I expected you to do it.

I expect to get grilled by you. Regardless of your alignment. Last game I told you what I thought I noticed about how you tend to grill people you’re familiar with. If you’re town you’re going to do it because you’ll want to get the read correct especially at this point when nobody should be townreading me right now. Nobody here knows or understands my mindset well enough to get the correct read at this moment. And it’s possible as scum you might do it to since I already told you that it’s one thing I look for in you. I’m less certain about that last bit though.

I didn’t follow the second part. What’s off base?

[Prism]

Fundamentally I'm a lot more curious about your reads on other players, and will gladly use those reads like a dirty capitalist exploiting the proletariat.

I know very will I don't have much knowledge of you as town, and that my guesses as to how

you specifically

react or solve are likely to be complete dice rolls. If I'm right it is likely a lucky guess and if I'm wrong it's a circle of me grilling you about expected habits you never had to begin with. There are other ways to sort you and I do not think I will have trouble in the long run.

There's a post now that I guess I'll read in a second.

[numberQ]

Trust Count (1.3)

cool cookie

[0]

Enchant

[0]

Infinity 324

[0]

Klick

[0]

MafMen

[0]

PookyTheMagicalBear

[0]

Prism

[0]

Tammy

[0]

the worst

[0]

Wisdom

[0]

Distrustful:

Everyone

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-02 13:46:46)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Nobody here knows or understands my mindset well enough to get the correct read at this moment.

Au contraire mademoiselle

[Infinity 324]

tammy's thought line of "i wouldn't be good here if scum" and "i'd already be impressed with myself if scum here" seems genuine so she's lean town i think

i don't think scum!tammy would think she did anything good yet

[Prism]

I’m not scumhunting yet. I expect you to call me out for that. I don’t know why that would be confusing. I get called out. I expected you to do it.

I got what you meant and it's definitionally valid. I just have no clue whether it's legitimate or not and if it is then like, damn okay.

I expect to get grilled by you. Regardless of your alignment. Last game I told you what I thought I noticed about how you tend to grill people you’re familiar with. If you’re town you’re going to do it because you’ll want to get the read correct especially at this point when nobody should be townreading me right now. Nobody here knows or understands my mindset well enough to get the correct read at this moment. And it’s possible as scum you might do it to since I already told you that it’s one thing I look for in you. I’m less certain about that last bit though.

I didn’t follow the second part. What’s off base?

There's more specificity to this that you pointed out at the time: I really grill people about their reads

on me

, though as the game ramps up I definitely become a bit more even with tracking & investigating progressions

[Prism]

Holy shit Infinity is in this game I thought someone was shitposting when they said she moved up LMAO

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Holy shit Infinity is in this game I thought someone was shitposting when they said she moved up LMAO

rofl

[Prism]

I didn’t follow the second part. What’s off base?

"Off base" here was referring to my own expectations rather than anything inherently scummy about the posts.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tammy's thought line of "i wouldn't be good here if scum" and "i'd already be impressed with myself if scum here" seems genuine so she's lean town i think

i don't think scum!tammy would think she did anything good yet

why can't scum!tammy just be impressed with how she's pockiting the shit out of me

[Infinity 324]

'the worst' initial scumping for claiming to not know the rules on page 3, when they had been referenced a couple times already by that point - potentially tricking someone into an early OMGUS trust thing. and also repeated claims Enchant is town, with no reason given.

a couple mildest of mild townpings. Liked Pookythemagicalbears opening appeal, felt genuine and performative where scum might worry about seeming needy. nothing else for now but I'm watching you.

i also hadn't read that rule by that point and didn't see where it was referenced?

@cookie

[Tammy]

Tammy what should Prism be townreading you for?

I didn’t say that. I don’t think they should. My reasoning for posting that was that it’s literally my stock answer that I’ve given so often it’s not alignment indicative anymore if it ever was. Prism thought a line of it was scummy, to which I could go nub uh or I can be stylish and quote myself

[MafMen]

tammy's thought line of "i wouldn't be good here if scum" and "i'd already be impressed with myself if scum here" seems genuine so she's lean town i think

i don't think scum!tammy would think she did anything good yet

that's a fair point
itd also be strange for an experienced mafia player to think selfreads are a good thing to do as maf lol

[Infinity 324]

I've been bit in the ass too many times for writing people off as town off things like that, and I'm not going to do that this game

ok but not even a townlean?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

itd also be strange for an experienced mafia player to think selfreads are a good thing to do as maf lol

i self-read myself all the time as mafia

its dope

[MafMen]

itd also be strange for an experienced mafia player to think selfreads are a good thing to do as maf lol

i self-read myself all the time as mafia

its dope

its okay only if its you

[Prism]

Personally I live to say people are stupid for townreading me every game just because I rolled FN

[MafMen]

itd also be strange for an experienced mafia player to think selfreads are a good thing to do as maf lol

i self-read myself all the time as mafia

its dope

its okay only if its you doing it

ebwop hit submit early for some reason

[Prism]

Personally I live to say people are stupid for townreading me every game just because I rolled FN

"trivial to fake" is the go-to phrase

[MafMen]

Personally I live to say people are stupid for townreading me every game just because I rolled FN

fn?

[MafMen]

oh friendly neighbour

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'd be lowkey disappointed if the scum team was just infinity+klick

[Tammy]

tammy's thought line of "i wouldn't be good here if scum" and "i'd already be impressed with myself if scum here" seems genuine so she's lean town i think

i don't think scum!tammy would think she did anything good yet

You’re underestimating how terrible I think it will go when I roll scum.

I’d consider this a masterpiece lol