Quotes and evidance are the spice of life I hearStrangerCoug wrote:I believe I've brought up you being hypocritical.LlamaFluff wrote:@SC - I dont think you have really explained your vote on me yet. Reasons for it?
I haven't found a defense to this, but maybe I overlooked it.LlamaFluff wrote:Corin needs to respond to my 392
Manito needs to respond to my 576
K7 needs to do something productive
BlckKnght needs to do something period
People needs to not be voting FL
People need to be voting Corin
FS/Armix need to make some sense
Joubert, K7 and BK need to vote
In fact, #1153–#1155 is where we discuss this post:LlamaFluff wrote:less talking about Corin and more voting Corin would be a very good thing to do here
LlamaFluff wrote:You really arent giving me anything that I can defend against here. 847 was three weeks before deadline, it was an attempt to further the wagon I was pushing as it seemed to be stalling out. The last post was a week to deadline trying to see if I could catch anyone jumping to defend Corin when I opened a window.
StrangerCoug wrote:You're free to state your opinions about somebody and there's nothing wrong with agreeing with them, but as rude as this sounds, people can decide who's scummy without your help, thank you very much.
#1084:LlamaFluff wrote:*shrug* I tend to be an agressive player. I already said this a few times and im not sure if you dont get it or just choosing not to listen. 847 was trying to make people follow through with the talk springing up about Corin being scum. It was not intended to say "Lets lynch Corin this page for serious d00ds!!1! lolz", which is what you keep making it out to be.
Which is defended in #1148 and #1155:LlamaFluff wrote:small FoSFL, K7, CRF, manito, LTG
With an approaching deadline all of you are clinging to people who honestly wont get lynched unless they admit to being scum. What are your stances on K7 and Corin, and which one is more likely scum?
LlamaFluff wrote:1084 was an attempt to see who would try and save Corin. I figured Corin partners that were not voting K7/Corin would jump the K7 wagon near the end of the day. This was a push to see if anyone would jump when threatened a bit. Corin being town nulled the information from this though it seems
In any event, it's for stuff already addressed. If I catch anything on my own, I'll give you a heads up.LlamaFluff wrote:1084 WAS me trying to manipulate people to draw out a partner of Corin. You seemed to just ignore my entire last post about this for some reason, I am admitting to it being manipulation and you are just saying "yeah thats scummy" while ignoring my reasoning for the move.
Protective much? (of spyrex...)armlx wrote:So....
Your 3 comments come out to 2 that are straight up info, no analysis, and one that means nothing?
Yes I'm fully read up. I don't buy the case on strangercoug and the early faerilord wagon was pretty dodgy as he wasn't around to defend himself.LlamaFluff wrote:@Thad - Have you read through day 3 yet and if so thoughts? Also, apart from armlx and Spyrex, who do you find suspicious
I was actually trying to see if I could find what Manito was referencing about you on my own, but didn't catch it.LlamaFluff wrote:I still dont get why you are voting me. Its because you got mixed up in a game and thought that I contridicted myself and I didnt origionally, which is now proved false.
Inconsistent vote here.killa 7 wrote:vote forbiddanlight
please dont vote yourself and hunt scum thanks.
The term "scumbag" seems to be tossed out arbitrarily here, seemingly without killa 7 having suspicions of orange.killa 7 wrote:great the new guy joined the best wagon to avoid conflict Sad
your willin to join to avoid conflict, great nice vote scumbag.
Don't like this type of post, but more importantly, it assumes that the actions so far are down by scummy townies, and not scum.SpyreX wrote:Good lord town, are we going to be this scummy out of the gate?
Inconsistent POV.SpyreX wrote: Now I have no idea. Selfvoting when most people haven't even voted for you doesn't make any sense and you're just hurting the town. Take a step back, look at the game as a whole.
I can't see doing this as a town at this point but I sure cant see why a scum woudl either
Not sure how he could arrive at this conclusion when manito's hardly posted.SpyreX wrote:I think manito is town as this point, BUT (bolded added for emphasis):
Same. This post is about gimbo btw.SpyreX wrote:I, still, think he's town but lord the gameplay has went down since the lynch.
Sets up future suspicions.SpyreX wrote:All in all, I dont like the way its went down. If we're wrong about forbid, there's definitely going to be some eyes that way.
Contradicts his use of meta in his analysis:SpyreX wrote:Want a meta? Sure. Here's my meta: Meta's are retarded.
Plus, I don't agree with his stance on meta. I'm not sure if he rejects the use of meta in every game he plays. This has a sinister side in that it could be a good way to get people with scummy metas lynched.SpyreX wrote:Now, I honestly haven't played enough to get a good read on Gimbo, but from what I HAVE played with him I would not be surprised at all if, as town, he came in and saw he got to hammer and did it.
Inconsistent. Shortly earlier, he called killa a lurker lynch.SpyreX wrote:K7's play has been unhelpful and his comments have been, well, scummy.
Another inconsistency.SpyreX wrote:See my problem. I, this game, dont find Corin to be scummy. However, I find FaerieLord and K7 to be - and both of them have had at least one person defend the actions based on "meta". Thats ridiculous and encourages bad play.
His increasing of killa each time "scumminess" seems kinda mechanical. Just doesn't feel right to me. Also, see above contradictions.SpyreX wrote:3.) Killer 7 - Scummy as all getout, yet a "random" lynch at best. Reason: Scummy is his meta.
Scummy. I'm a fan of humorous hammers too, but as town I would not be comfortable hammering like that without being resolute in my decision.SpyreX wrote: STOP
Hammertime!
Unvote, Vote: KoC
Not a fan of how he repeatedly uses OMGUS to dismiss entire cases.SpyreX wrote:Hell, most of your case on me is assumptions flavored with delicious OMGUS and you're doing it again.
Not sure what you're saying here.SpyreX wrote:Sad : Manito
Well, I think having that sad face and highlighting a couple bits of manito's play must mean something. What do you have to say about Manito?SpyreX wrote:I am NOT saying ANYTHING about the cases on either Manito or LlamaFluff.
Ohh, it could have been a mix of both. The "we" in that case refered to the game as a whole - I HATE it when its hard to pickup on scummy behavior because everyone decides to be scummy.Don't like this type of post, but more importantly, it assumes that the actions so far are down by scummy townies, and not scum.
I'm not seeing the inconsistency. Selfvoting early on doesn't make any sense and you're hurting the town by doing it - hence, I can't see doing this as a town. However, I can not see a reason why that early a scum would do it either. Selfvoting, flat out, makes no sense at that point.Inconsistent POV.
I think, and although recent events have given some suspicion, still think Manito is town. Its just a gut - the BUT is the important part - despite what I think at that point he had been parroting. It was raising a flag so I brought mention of it.Not sure how he could arrive at this conclusion when manito's hardly posted.
I thought he was town - although I will explain more why this is a BAD IDEA on my part and I am sorry about it in retrospect. I'm still not sure what you're aimin for - it is simply a gut feeling.Same. This post is about gimbo btw.
That I later hung him like a goose for (among other things). I didn't like it and I DID find it suspicious.Sets up future suspicions.
This is the one thing I give you 100% on. You are right and I absolutely shouldn't have given Gimbo ANY slack because of the fact he is/was absolutely nutbag crazy and would do just that as town. I still think metas are retarded and reading that (albeit months ago) makes me a little sad at myself too.Contradicts his use of meta in his analysis:
I'd tell you to check my other games but that'd be meta.Plus, I don't agree with his stance on meta. I'm not sure if he rejects the use of meta in every game he plays. This has a sinister side in that it could be a good way to get people with scummy metas lynched.
Rest assured, I think meta is always retarded and people who play scummy should be hung for playing scummy and not have the free out when they are actually scum. So, if you think this is a point against me because you dont agree - well, thats really not a good reason now is it? (Would that be meta-meta?)Inconsistent. Shortly earlier, he called killa a lurker lynch.
I wish I had the posts your referencing handier, but here we go:
Now, the full post that statement is from:PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:18 pm
I want Killer to post more content. At heart, I'm still seeing this as a lurker lynch and I have a hard time agreeing with that this early.
With full context, I hope it makes a little more sense. K7's comments have been scummy. However, the one actual thing he did I didn't find scummy - so I felt it was being PUSHED as a lurker lynch. In a last minute scramble the fact he'd been kinda scummy makes it far superior to a no-lynch.Hold up a sec, today is the deadline?
So, we've got two wagons with some force behind them. I do not think that we're going to be able to get steam on any other ones if today is deadline. I DO NOT want a nolynch.
I still honestly believe in my case on FL. I do not want that to fall to the wayside.
K7's play has been unhelpful and his comments have been, well, scummy. However, the one thing people keep bringing up (his jump on the forbid train) I did not find to be a scum-move.
So, I dont like the fact this case is being pushed the way it is, but I do understand it. If today is really deadline I'm sad we're doing a last-minute scramble.
Unvote:
Vote: K7
See, I hate lurkers, and I doubly hate ones that pop in and are scummy. However, I see scummy actions in some of the active players so I would not, except to avoid a mislynch, vote on a case on day 1 that is, ultimately, a lurker case.
I think I've covered the perceived contradictions. As the game goes on, lurking and playing like K7 becomes scummier because, by nature, it becomes more consistant and bad. I'm not seeing how finding it more scummy as it continues (versus being against it as a day 1 lynch) is.. bad?His increasing of killa each time "scumminess" seems kinda mechanical. Just doesn't feel right to me. Also, see above contradictions.
When or how wasn't I resolute in my decision? I don't feel bad about that lynch. At all.Scummy. I'm a fan of humorous hammers too, but as town I would not be comfortable hammering like that without being resolute in my decision.
Case(s)? Has there been real cases against me (before this) aside from Firestarter? Who, if you look at that specific example, felt like a bag of OMGUS - because, as I proved town or not, he had consistently been doing that?Not a fan of how he repeatedly uses OMGUS to dismiss entire cases.
Not sure what you're saying here.
I'm still not sold on him being scum, but that exchange and the points above isThe whole Manito / LF discussion.
1.) I am glad Manito is posting more now.
2.) I am not glad to see my named mentioned in Manitos posts so damn much - if you're going to talk about the case I made on FS, at least say WHAT it is you liked not just "I agreed with SpyreX".
3.) Manito is misrepresenting some of what LF is saying.
4.) LF makes a VERY good point about the K7/Corin lynch (again, one of the saddest points of this game).
5.) Manito OMGUS'ing LF is Sad
6.) Manito saying FS's (who was scum, just didn't happen to be mafia) list of candidates is a reason to push on LF is also Sad
. Hence, the .Ok, this is the only one you did that I am honestly flabbergasted at.Well, I think having that sad face and highlighting a couple bits of manito's play must mean something. What do you have to say about Manito?
In full context, it follows that in my "discussion" with SC aboutI'm running out of words.
I am not saying you are lazy. I am saying that you actively found a "reason" to jump onto a wagon. I am saying that every part of your rationale for voting Manito over LlamaFluff was flawed.
I am NOT saying ANYTHING about the cases on either Manito or LlamaFluff.Just you. You saw an opportunity and you jumped on it.
<3 TSPN. OP, I'm interested to see what you have to say about it.
Better be!SpyreX wrote:Net, I like what you're doin. I hope you continue.
That said, though, this feels like an attempt to throw me off your trail.Still strange, though, since the normal course of action would be to attack such scummy actions.Ohh, it could have been a mix of both. The "we" in that case refered to the game as a whole - I HATE it when its hard to pickup on scummy behavior because everyone decides to be scummy.Don't like this type of post, but more importantly, it assumes that the actions so far are down by scummy townies, and not scum.
For forbiddan to hurt the town ("you're just hurting the town") with a self vote, she would have to be town. Thus, it's inconsistent with thinking her scum.I'm not seeing the inconsistency.Inconsistent POV.
Sometimes, scum may arbitrarily decide someone town before enough content has been posted. I usually check whether the conclusion (player x is town) follows or not.I thought he was town - although I will explain more why this is a BAD IDEA on my part and I am sorry about it in retrospect. I'm still not sure what you're aimin for - it is simply a gut feeling.Same. This post is about gimbo btw.
If killa's comments were scummy, it would be strange to think his lynch a lurker lynch.With full context, I hope it makes a little more sense. K7's comments have been scummy. However, the one actual thing he did I didn't find scummy - so I felt it was being PUSHED as a lurker lynch. In a last minute scramble the fact he'd been kinda scummy makes it far superior to a no-lynch.Inconsistent. Shortly earlier, he called killa a lurker lynch.
Odd comment to make.I'm not OMGUSin' this. Although, I'll admit if I dont see this level of detail on other suspects I'd be a little tempted.
Strange substitute.I'm still not sold on him being scum, but that exchange and the points above is
Do I really need to explain this? Seriously, you want to lynch me tomorrow, FINE... but this has just gotten out of hand. (Hint, look at the votes on me RIGHT before this is said).sc wrote:I still plan on one of Manito and LlamaFluff dying today; however, I do see SpyreX's case and have him as a suspect as well.
There was just too many. It seemed like it was setting a tone and, of course, later specific actions were attacked for it.Still strange, though, since the normal course of action would be to attack such scummy actions.
I guess the "if" would have helped. If she was town - this whole business would be hurting the town. However, I saw no real reason for a town to do it and more for a scum. It was one of those "I'm not sold 100% on you yet, so if I'm wrong you are hurting the town by self-voting and not trying to fix this debacle"For forbiddan to hurt the town ("you're just hurting the town") with a self vote, she would have to be town. Thus, it's inconsistent with thinking her scum.
It was gut. The reason it is a bad idea is that some of it was based on meta. Meta is bad. I was bad for thinking that way.Sometimes, scum may arbitrarily decide someone town before enough content has been posted. I usually check whether the conclusion (player x is town) follows or not.
Also, I'm curious why it is a bad idea now.
His comments were little snipes - the case at that point felt like a lurker push which, that early, I was against. I'm not sure what else you want from me here.If killa's comments were scummy, it would be strange to think his lynch a lurker lynch.
Not really - if I dont see this level of analysis on other players as you come in I'll question the intergity of your analysis as a whole - which would make me wonder if it was scummy by nature.Odd comment to make.
I thought manito was town early - I still KINDA do. So, watching the spiral towards mislynch isStrange substitute.
..What?thAdmiral wrote:Since no one is interested in an armlx lynch, and since netlava is interested in a spyrex lynch...
unvote, vote: spyrex
Operative word in my post: plan. Which implies that if, for some reason neither a Manito lynch nor a LlamaFluff lynch are viable today, you are my other suspect of the day and I can push for your lynch today too if you rise above both of those people.SpyreX wrote:Do I really need to explain this? Seriously, you want to lynch me tomorrow, FINE... but this has just gotten out of hand. (Hint, look at the votes on me RIGHT before this is said).sc wrote:I still plan on one of Manito and LlamaFluff dying today; however, I do see SpyreX's case and have him as a suspect as well.
