Mini Normal 2245: LJITGBSMoD [game over!]

[marcistar]

how much longer do we have besties

[Gamma Emerald]

stop
we can DO THIS

nah

I'm talking about me/jo/dwlee working together but sure, stand in the way of town's efforts to work together, see where that gets you

[Gamma Emerald]

day 1 ends in 3 days, 16 hours, 41 minutes.

[Gamma Emerald]

that was a quote by selection fyi so the timer is locked at the time of my post

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm standing by the side of the road and giving a free pass for anyone to walk by.
Not sure how i am "standing in the way" of you/Dwlee/Joyle talking, but ok.

[marcistar]

ill make a readslist in a bit but im gonna go cry first xoxo

[DArby]

I'm standing by the side of the road and giving a free pass for anyone to walk by.
Not sure how i am "standing in the way" of you/Dwlee/Joyle talking, but ok.

At what point do we make the argument for policy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm standing by the side of the road and giving a free pass for anyone to walk by.
Not sure how i am "standing in the way" of you/Dwlee/Joyle talking, but ok.

At what point do we make the argument for policy?

?

[Dwlee99]

stop
we can DO THIS

nah

I'm talking about me/jo/dwlee working together but sure, stand in the way of town's efforts to work together, see where that gets you

Tell Koba to stop whining when I ask for a very basic town case on Marci

[Val89]

At what point do we make the argument for policy?

I did consider pointing out earlier the difference in the quality of the debate that arose from interactions with Norwee, and those with Dwlee, and note that even if we end up disagreeing, being able to thrash those issues out only serves to help those on the outside looking in at least have a better understanding of each others respective position, and thus help town more likely correctly sort a sort.

That stands in stark contrast to this 'X is scum because I say so. You dare doubt me? Well you are just fucking trash then." which only serves to draw lines and close minds, and isn't helping town even if Norwee does eventually prove to be town; but honestly, that argument just detracts from the very real fact I am quite sure he

is

flipping red. Standing by to eat crow.

[Val89]

I should also note, and this does follow from Dwlee's 1033, that Jolyne is playing a similar "X is town, trust me. Y is scum. Why aren't you voting with me?? Don't you know I get RESULTS!" game which also seems to be predicated on the fact that the playerlist has been told that slot is an alt of an established and experianced player.

Perhaps this "I think X is scum. You should vote with me because you like me and we have history." type gameplay is par for the course in these non-newbie queues, but the fact of the matter is not all of us do have that pre-exisiting history, and while I'm trying to give Jolyne benefit of the doubt, the only bar I have to measure thier judgement against in

this game

is the only time they did seem to give some justification or reason behind a read, which was when they voted me and gave examples of posts they said was typical of scum expressing a certain type of frustration, which of course was very quickly proven to be rubbish. It's very difficult to consider sheeping a unexplained read without assesing the quality of the reasons for that read.

In conclusion, Koba, please stop whining when you are asked for a very basic town case on Marci.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m kinda siding with Joyle in this one.
Some reads are obvious.

[Val89]

Maybe so, but then it should be even easier to give a short, uncontroversial case on that read.

Or, do you mean obvious in the sense of "I just intuit really strongly that this person is town, but I can't really articulate why"?

If that's the case, there isn't any problem with saying so - at least then we know what we are working with.

[Jolyne]

the case is: im good and i dont like explaining reads anymore. they arent on the chopping block so really dont care to explain, as I'd rather my townreads not get yeeted at night because they turn into a universal townread.

[Jolyne]

as for alice, I just straight up dont townread them and theyre at the bottom of my poe, its really like that simple. its how i scumhunt now and my last completed game, it literally landed me 3 scum in a row, with just gamma escaping because t3 gave up.(granted i would have mislimmed a slot that got cop checked)

[Jolyne]

val, you (probably) know already im incredibly perceptive and notice things most don't - so you should just trust my process. d1 i *am* the weakest but I pick up massive steam once a couple people are flipped and i can eliminate possibilities and build worlds based on those flips.

[Gamma Emerald]

I could probably try to post a marci towncase in Jo’s place if people are interested
I agree that it doesn’t really serve any purpose now tho

[Val89]

No. For the record, I have no idea what it is you are supposed to have noticed. Perhaps you can elighten me in post-game, because I'm not Convinced now is the time.

The issue I have is that the only thing I have to judge the claim that you are 'good' is the reason you gave for scumreading me, and, this might be the only scenario when this can be said pre-flip, that proved to be definite Crap. I have no way of knowing if the reasons behind your Alice read, or any other, are any less crap. I'm not saying your repuation is undeserved, far from it, but merely that I have no way of checking it for myself.

As it happened, there were some things that pinged me about Alice, but a) they came AFTER you told us we should be voting there, so they can't be same, and b) I still think we are better off starting with a Norwee lim.

[Jolyne]

i partially fudged my read on you to put hard pressure on you lol
thus why i was very clear about the fact it was e-2

[Val89]

Do you think, given Norwee is in your PoE, we could reach an agreement on a lim there today or no?

Deserved or not, you do appear to at least hold some sway over other slots here.

[Jolyne]

I'm not opposed to a lim but I did promise I would at least bin him till d2 and see how i feel then - and I stand by that. I don't really hold sway like you think, my biggest weakness is my charisma and I've learned better than to just shit up the thread with stuff. I only get really pushy when im >90% sure on a read, which happens moreso on d2 onwards.

I really believe between t3/alice is the play here.

[Jolyne]

norwee wants toxic so it feels suboptimal to like push there atp fmpov - but i'd also not oppose a toxic lim because if toxic flips scum that clears norwee.

[Val89]

because if toxic flips scum that clears norwee.

I'm not

entirely

convinced that it does.

I think I would probably prefer Alice over T3, though. Anyone TRing Alice right now?

[Val89]

That said, T3s jump from "Val isn't playing how I expect him too, at least on the surface" to "Val is openwolfing" and then back again when challenged did set my spidys tingling. I'm not sure I'm ready to build an entire scumcase out of what could have been sloppy language.

[AliceK]

Dwlee99
Val89
redtea
NorwegianboyEE
Jolyne

marcistar pending explanation from Jolyne

Gamma Emerald
toxictaipan
AliceK
T3
DArby
Not_Mafia
camelCasedSnivy

Nvm I do have a solid poe for rn. Not quite game winning cause I need to find 1 more townie

That's actually decent.