Mini Normal 2245: LJITGBSMoD [game over!]

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hihi!!

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Alice, Marcistar. How are you two feeling on this wonderful morning/evening/daytime/night?

norwee feeling sus already
don't @ me I'm on page 1

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There’s nothing exciting happening through dayplay so let’s just get a flip somewhere.

now this is openwolfing

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UNVOTE: darby
They're showing a towny thought process - also im vla until monday, very busy weekend. i delegate thread leading to marci and darby

...what secret insight is it that you have to see this

kept reading nvm ig but I still don't trust you

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Spoiler: Snivy #104

UNVOTE: darby
They're showing a towny thought process - also im vla until monday, very busy weekend. i delegate thread leading to marci and darby

They've only made one read post and honestly I don't think town would vote someone if someone else told them to.
I'm sticking to my vote as of now

town would definitely do that

Spoiler: Gamma #112

UNVOTE: darby
They're showing a towny thought process - also im vla until monday, very busy weekend. i delegate thread leading to marci and darby

They've only made one read post and honestly I don't think town would vote someone if someone else told them to.
I'm sticking to my vote as of now

I agree. My only game move was saying sure and voting lol

This is a curious point of self-awareness, think it’s towny but I’m not locking that thought in

actually tentatively agree with this

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t3 probably revealed that alt without really thinking about it (bc of the "was outed multiple times in another game" thing), and isn't ai. Totally something I'd do on accident.

would maybe be more careful about revealing that information as scum, but I'm not sure. Like checking in with scum buddies first and whatnot.

I'm not voting for meta reasons, i just thought their tone so far has been a bit scummy.

I've been told that my tone often sounds baseline scummy.

can confirm

UNVOTE: darby
They're showing a towny thought process - also im vla until monday, very busy weekend. i delegate thread leading to marci and darby

This post feels genuine, same for norwee's comment about marci mindmelding.

............
every time

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okay I'm done where is everyone

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redtea give a 20 page essay of ur top 3 scumreads in the next 30 mins or ur scum :<

no
I want to develop them more
my d1 reads are too horrific too often so I've decided to stick to my guns and not crack when people want them from me. And if I just go and start talking about them, I'll start developing blinders I might as well be scum, doing their job for them.

you'll get em when they're done cookin.

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^^ was just about to say
there were six pages my dude

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that I want to? yes. that I'm gonna? no.
im trying out something called
self-restraint, or somth
thought I'd give it a try so

I'm going to duck out and wait for the lurkers
unless this thread explodes for some reason or they take a really long time and by really long I mean 16 hours approx
(^-^)v peace don't vote me pls kthxbye

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thx for respecting my mindset tho I hope this method works out

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shit I thought norwee was scum in SIN
now I have to reevaluate everything

I'm preeetty confident gamma is town this game

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back to sleep zzzz

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srry in lazy

zzzzzzzz

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val why is your play so different this time
why the short posts instead of the walls of text?

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that well may be the case, but I want him to explain this major change in play himself first.

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I thought maybe you'd answer if I asked straightforwardly but apparently that's not the case
at this rate we might as well

VOTE: Val89

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literally skipped my post
scummy AND rude smh

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better not wait til your dead is my opinion

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I'm not even the one Marci is talking to and I feel bad
wow

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I'm not even the one Marci is talking to and I feel bad
wow

HUH?? AM I MAKING YALL FEEL BAD IM SORRY-
i thought i was keeping my negative emotions at bay

disappointed but supportive big sis energy
I fear going against you

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dwwwww

wait redtea r u still here :<
if ur not gonna give reads i wanna ask u a diff question which i think u could possible have an answer for (:

sure

also gonna look over the thread again now that i'm at my computer

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so I get a strong vibe norwee is playing hardball scum here
and val could just be stubborn town, or
a weak link on norwee's team. Something about how hard norwee is going feels like it's that or norwee is testing something. Whether that test is for pro-town reasons or not idk.

All shakes down to val being limmed today, but I wanted to share some thoughts

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also bc I don't think?? anyone elaborated

@darby

"informed" or "uninformed" in a mafia context refers to the information scum or town are privy to, as mafia is a game of an informed minority (scum) vs a uninformed majority (town).
So when people say something sounds "informed", that usually refers to someone being too confident in the state of something, i.e. someone's alignment or role.
So someone might sound Too sure someone is town.
Or, because of scum abilities/mechanics reasons, be Too sure a certain role exists (/who has that role).

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sorry if someone did say all that already, might've missed it

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UNVOTE:

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redtea seems maybe a bit off-color atm, I think I recall disliking some of his posts

why arent u looking much in their direction, or mentioning it before this then..? why r u holding back if u dislike something t_t
do u think u can refind the posts u dont like..?

tbf a whole 10+ pages of thicc content happened while i was away, there's no real reason for anyone to have anything stronger than gut/leans on me rn

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VOTE: norwee
ill come back tomorrow-in-irl-days to elaborate bc i know this lim isn't happening without some convincing

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as an aside gamma is townlock for me atp
that's gonna be my only confident read D1 lol

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redtea why am I town for you
I ISOed you and your posting looks p much fine, idk why I thought you were sketchy, I’m just curious why you seem so confident about me being town when you’ve kinda not actually said much about what I’ve actually been doing from what I can tell?

I think I implied it when I first posted a read on you but it's partially meta, and then partially the way you hopped on the Val train seemed very much like town wanting to do something/get the game going. Someone expressed something similar to that latter reason, I'll see if I can't find it

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lmao I joined at the same age dwlee. Big wall poster.

as an aside gamma is townlock for me atp
that's gonna be my only confident read D1 lol

Really? For me Gamma is actually really sus.

Have you played with Gamma?

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I hope it’s more than scummy tone or too defensive or whatever completely non-allignment indicative thing i’ve been pushed for as town throughout about a good half of my games?

no I took tone into account you just went really fucking hard on that slot

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@dwlee
yeah I wasn't feeling it when he said you're playing to your scum meta this time

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Btw the fact no one is hopping on alice is like even better proof that slot is going to flip scum pls come join kthx

I might

I was thinking about this game during my break and im comfortable locktowning both gamma and marci atp - very towny people dwlee + darby. They all have good vibes and have been towntelling thus far more than every other slot (except me ofc)

alice / norwee / t3 looking like the bottom of my poe rn

oooh I'm vibing with this
so why alice over norwee right now?

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THATS your tell????

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about how many games were reviewed to come to that conclusion? # scum games vs # town games?

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lmao I joined at the same age dwlee. Big wall poster.

as an aside gamma is townlock for me atp
that's gonna be my only confident read D1 lol

Really? For me Gamma is actually really sus.

Have you played with Gamma?

No. Why you townread him?

yes

viewtopic.php?p=13068227#p13068227

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lmao I joined at the same age dwlee. Big wall poster.

as an aside gamma is townlock for me atp
that's gonna be my only confident read D1 lol

Really? For me Gamma is actually really sus.

Have you played with Gamma?

No. Why you townread him?

yes

viewtopic.php?p=13068227#p13068227

Yeah, I saw that. But how you expect him to play as scum.

way less invested in the game, cynical, the opposite of a team player.

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way less invested in the game, cynical, the opposite of a team player.

Basically the opposite of scum!Gamma.

Got it.

way less invested in the game, cynical, the opposite of a team player.

only the first descriptor is something I think makes sense for you to think based off 3d20. I wasn't really a downer in that game, and I actually worked really well with RMH. Unless you have a sampling of other games you happen to have read?

that's MY OPINION

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to You maybe
I get it though

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see I would've been *so* easy to push atp and you didn't
towny

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redtea whats ur read on me :>

ummm
off the cuff, you're probably my top read below gamma, but you're a tl at best right now.

I could see you and norwee as partners, and no not just because you and norwee sheeped each other on val. So I'm kind of unsure, but I trust you for now. If norwee ends up being town you're almost definitely town I think.

but like I haven't isod you yet or anything, so this isn't exactly a formal read

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see I would've been *so* easy to push atp and you didn't
towny

Why is that townie?

That's actually the one thing that's still making me second guess T3, that he's not voting me here when it's so easy. Which could easily be an scum move.

because it comes from gamma
I think scum gamma would take the opportunity.

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marci and norwee are town, dw

>:|

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And T3's already shown in a previous game where he literally tried to pocket me.

link?

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see I would've been *so* easy to push atp and you didn't
towny

Why is that townie?

That's actually the one thing that's still making me second guess T3, that he's not voting me here when it's so easy. Which could easily be an scum move.

because it comes from gamma
I think scum gamma would take the opportunity.

and in my case it's not like I'm on the chopping block rn, I just think I'm in a good position to be pushed.
idk, s'what I think.

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my head is a mess

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no context vote
and by no context I mean I have no context except for the vc
VOTE: toxictaipan

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val or t3 will you join me and let not_mafia hammer
I forget whether toxic was in jolynes poe or not you can also join me
I can't promise results all I can promise is info but I thinkk it'll be juicy

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val or t3 will you join me and let not_mafia hammer
I forget whether toxic was in jolynes poe or not you can also join me
I can't promise results all I can promise is info but I thinkk it'll be juicy

Why are you trying to hammer toxic? His only sin is low activity.

because the vc looked interesting

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In what way is it interesting?

you don't expect me to reveal my thoughts there do you? something something result contamination something something

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val or t3 will you join me and let not_mafia hammer

You want to hammer a slot before a claim, or before they've had chance to catch up and respond to the wagon - a wagon that appears to have formed because a slot I consider scummy claims the wagonee TMI'd me as town based on a comment that basically expresses with something they themselves had considered (541).

No. Absolutely not. Marci is right; something stinks here.

Anyone else thinking that mafia want this day to end as soon as possible, because of some spicy night mechanics around that "backup acestic" thing?

mm I just think it's possible toxic could be the lurker of the scum team and also bc reasons stated before. I don't buy norwee's tmi thing at all. Also norwee/Marci/gamma have a decent amount of influence right now I don't think I can counter atp, or probably at all today, so I might as well sheep a slot that'll probably be informative on flip.

like, who's willing to lim norwee? Me, you, jolyne, maybe Alice tho I can't quite remember.
Actually.. I'll catch up and see where ppl are standing. Maybe we can get a lim after all. I was feeling kind of hopeless with the lurkers lurking.

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Weren’t you the one that said you were going to do some convincing on why i am scum?

yeah but I was kind of demotivated by dwlee, t3, Marci, and gamma refusing to vote you and 3 players being gone.

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oh
UNVOTE:

I don't want someone to hammer if I maybe have a chance here

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that is not what I said

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in fact I specifically said I would not elaborate on my toxic vote more than I have
agh this would be so scummy but you're literally ic I keep forgetting

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I'm just trying to clarify what it is you are saying.

You said you wanted a toxic lim because of you thought "it's possible toxic could be the lurker of the scum team" and some unspecified interesting stuff in the vote count, which I am not asking you to explain, but are now you appear to be saying you've changed your mind if you think a Norwee lim is actually viable.

Presumably you would only want a Norwee lim if you think they are scum, so I am just trying to lock down your actual position.

I have my doubts because it's not like town norwee has played dissimilarly in the past, but The Push was still pretty scummy so yeah, still do.

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uh oh
looks like stuff happened

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val did a town thing
dwlee did a scumthing

like a "did something helpful for town thing?"

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I want to do the LN thing again

Anyone explain what the LN thing is?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720

See the flips

fun fact this town!dwlee game follows t3's scumtell

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I don't think anyone took t3 up on the tell so it is, just, a fun fact

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I didn't mean for that to be an endorsement to vote him
but that's an interesting point

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lmao

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basically toxic can only make sense with certain team comps
the teaam could be something like toxic/NM/? tho

mindmeld. NM doesn't even use scum pts, unless he just deletes his posts before the thread is released.

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DArby #831
no. If you think you have scum nailed and have the means to lim them, it's scummy to stall the vote because that gives scum time to change minds.
Not saying people shouldn't get Some time, because it's not like you know alignment until flip, and they might not have claimed yet, etc. but stalling "to find other scum" means people get into associatives and shit, you go over and over on what limited info we have with no flips (or on later days, flips that have already been deliberated over endlessly), and that gives scum a lot of wiggle room to recover their buddy from the edge of death.
Like ALL of town would have to be on the EXACT same page and the person's scumbuddies would've had to completely foresaken them already for that path to be a safe one to take.

Dwlee #810
it's a vivid point i wont lie. Iirc town!norwee won't push shit for no reason, and he's decently accurate, so a town flip will be very informative anyway.

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Val #772
i didn't know they still hadn't caught up
i didn't worry about the claiming thing because i wasn't putting him at e-2. in other words i didn't think about it because i didn't see it as my responsibility :shrug:
if someone DID put him at e-2 without mentioning it, now that's scummy.
(t3 then did go on to put him at e-2 but. Knowing t3 i doubt he thought about it. at all.)

Val #917
this is the only post you've made so far i don't have a bone to pick with. I was >this< close to seriously considering policying you.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE i don't want to look at this day anymore. Also since jolyne townslipped i don't really care about voting toxic atm.

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I want to do the LN thing again

Anyone explain what the LN thing is?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720

See the flips

fun fact this town!dwlee game follows t3's scumtell

that game just ended
UNVOTE: dwlee

oh lol

theres something i realized based on what val said and im gonna keep it to myself until d2, i think val realizes it too.

town

do you not consider their thing earlier a townslip?

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it's a vivid point i wont lie. Iirc town!norwee won't push shit for no reason, and he's decently accurate, so a town flip will be very informative anyway.

i mean obviously no one does for no reason, but ykwim

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basically toxic can only make sense with certain team comps
the teaam could be something like toxic/NM/? tho

mindmeld. NM doesn't even use scum pts, unless he just deletes his posts before the thread is released.

lolwut
He was kinda active the one time I was scum with him in a newbie game

im pretty sure it was nm?
hold on

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okay there was someone else who literally did not post in scum pts, which made looking for their scum games a task

but apptly not_mafia still isn't typically very chatty, and seems to mostly say what he himself will do, and doesn't strategize with others much. A few pts are just "sup" and "kill x". I wouldn't expect him to come to no one's rescue. I think the newbie game must've been an outlier gamma

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Dwlee #810
it's a vivid point i wont lie. Iirc town!norwee won't push shit for no reason, and he's decently accurate, so a town flip will be very informative anyway.

And then you vote norwee anyway

sorry

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eww did not mean to use the smiley version

:(

better

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Dwlee #810
it's a vivid point i wont lie. Iirc town!norwee won't push shit for no reason, and he's decently accurate, so a town flip will be very informative anyway.

And then you vote norwee anyway

If i’m recently accurate then why would Redtea trust Toxic over me when if i’m correct i might catch more scum. While Toxic is useless?

toxic is a useless flip if he flips town

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mindmelding with gamma this game

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UNVOTE:
this very much reminds me of norwee in SIN (iirc), where he was town and became very defeated. I looked through his last 6 scum games and he doesn't get defeated like this, nor does he seem to get as fired up as he has this game.
Norwee might've decided to try to copy his town game hardcore this time, or something, but he's borderline lock-town for me now.

here's the games for reference:

Spoiler:

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=83807&user_select[]=33279
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82913&user_select[]=33279
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82568&user_select%5B%5D=33279
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=83935&user_select[]=33279
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=84055&user_select[]=33279
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86525&user_select[]=33279

why tf are ISO links so wacky on this site. Sorry for making yall copy-paste

I see where norwee is coming from on toxic, but I want to put that off for today if I can. I want to give him another day so I can develop my read there better.

VOTE: AliceK it'd be rad if we could do this

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val we've kind of already agreed to settle on toxic if we have to. Unless something changed and I forgot.

VOTE: toxic
sorry for being kind of absent eod. When I'm able I'll find what it was I didn't like about Alice before deadline, then come back to it d2.

toxic you're at e-2, now's the time to claim.

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it's closing in on his prod time so hopefully he'll be around

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I'm sure there is enough votes, including my own, to make that happen at Eod. We still have a bit of time.

Are you townreading T3, redtea?

Now that you mention it I have no real impression

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Fml.

VOTE: T3

wait why the change? to prevent a hammer before claim or?

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so I apparently only wrote down one of my thoughts which was that

Norwee is likely innocent

. Darby and Gamma have at least 1 scum.

However I am too lazy to elaborate on that so:
VOTE: Not_Mafia

the bolded part sounded tmi.

So I looked into it a bit more real quick. It's not a word I see used elsewhere in the iso (nor the abbreviated version), and almost no reason is given for townreading norwee except one post early on about how norwee "seems to be solving". Given the frequent interactions with norwee's posts, after being asked about norwee again later, I would expect something like "I agree with them a lot, I don't think they're misdirecting me, their thought process is sound, etc" but like. No. Just "norwee is town". Which makes me think Alice doesn't actually have a reason except for knowing it. Also makes me think they aren't partnered, because then I would expect more effort.

Srry that's all I have without doing more isoing

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It’s less so the claim and more so the vibe.

At this point I don’t think anyone other than you is going today.

I’m giving my intent to E-1. NM will probably hammer if not someone else.

Any objections anyone?

this

no objections

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@alice I also have a meta tr on norwee but why did you never say that

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Kiiiiinda disappointed N_M isn’t living up to the hype :/

lmfao
nm should put this in his sig

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norwee town

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^this is a town!t3 post

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but gamma that's just nm

snively literally has no content
but Darby has a point about low hanging fruit so
VOTE: Alice

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Does anyone remember any Darby/nm associatives at the top of their heads

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do we wanna locktown jolyne for her gambit yday?

No I don't t trust it. I don't think it's scum but I don't trust it.

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that's assuming me and norwee aren't partners. Is your tr in norwee strong enough for that or do you think it's unlikely we're partners?

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gl

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get well norwee

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I need to consolidate town!t3's confident reads and compare them to flips one of these days
I think he's lining up a case and then-
bam
townread

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feel like there's a phrase for that

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and what's your diagnosis doctor

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i honestly dont like that im just consensus townread here bc scum at least wriggle a little when i have them in my sights and yeah.

gonna reexamine my townreads later but not tonight bcim high as shittttttttttttttttttt lol

you are just shy of consensus
I, for one, don't tr you

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I will never forgive any of you for rush limming norwee while i was away

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VOTE: AliceK

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How is the claim solid with possible, now known, roleblockers in play? Did you receive a letter?

We now know there was at least a town roleblocker. Thinking about it during N2, I was sure mafia would have one, but now I'm not sure considering the likelihood of a town roleblocker hitting town.

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That's a good point, but we still have no proof of Jolyne's claim.

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I meant to also say, "not everyone has checked in yet, we don't know if someone's gotten a letter or not"

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And actually unless they have someone better to target, why wouldn't scum target Jolyne N2 again? It'd keep her from getting cleared, which would ofc be beneficial for town.

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Wait i don't know if jolyne uses those pronouns for that alt
sorry jolyne

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With no real disrespect the mail argument is kinda stupid. Ascetic was not in play n1 by default. That is not an issue with Norwee.

Also I think Jo said they’re an ascetic as well? (Can’t look it up right now). With how broken ascetic is and Vals role I don’t see why there’s 2+ town ascetic.

Plus a lot of other things this game that don’t add up on a vibe scale.

This is the only player I want flipped today.

fwiw Ascetic WAS in play N1, since that began after Val flipped.

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I don't mind eliminating Jolyne, however I would like to solve the game today. There is a chance that Jolyne is something like vt who fakeclaimed mailman to get Norwee eliminated...

that doesn't sound very towny at all

That's a good point, but we still have no proof of Jolyne's claim.

i don't think that's the kind of thing that koba lies about
like sure, it might be a really galaxy brain play
but i would be willing to bet that jolyne is at least a mailman

you don't think they're experienced enough to pull it off?

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There is at least one scum in darby/alice/jolyne is what i've been thinking since yesterday
ofc alice scum necessitates darby scum, which could be the case

i need to do some rereading too

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What alice described jolyne as possibly doing doesn't sound towny

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With no real disrespect the mail argument is kinda stupid. Ascetic was not in play n1 by default. That is not an issue with Norwee.

Also I think Jo said they’re an ascetic as well? (Can’t look it up right now). With how broken ascetic is and Vals role I don’t see why there’s 2+ town ascetic.

Plus a lot of other things this game that don’t add up on a vibe scale.

This is the only player I want flipped today.

fwiw Ascetic WAS in play N1, since that began after Val flipped.

Ik. The thing is that the order of operation should have that be the last factor.

No?

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Is that really the case?

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Also if Alice and I were scum this would be a weird gambit from me. Why would I give a full role reveal when it’s not even ELo? If I survived the night I’m putting scum at bad position since I’d be in jeopardy. I’d take out a town today only to be taken out tomorrow night and my gambit would be worthless.

If I did this tomorrow after another town loss it’d make more sense. But it doesn’t now.

It's not like none of that can't be explained away but
I guess.....

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@mod

if backup ascetic activates upon elimination flip, is ascetic active going into night?
like i swear it should be

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omfg for some reason I thought val was limmed d1 and not nightkilled
my bad

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I don't think it is
pseudo-vote on jolyne
please don't hammer before I catch up this time

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I didn't even realize NM was still in this game lol
got it confused with another one

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would have would have would have

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t3 can't possibly be scum that often can he

also are we tabling camelcase/strangematter's slot for the day for the sake of content or is there another reason theyre being left out

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t3 can't possibly be scum that often can he

also are we tabling camelcase/strangematter's slot for the day for the sake of content or is there another reason theyre being left out

That's gambler's fallacy

And what do you think about them

tru

I don't have opinions on them that's the issue

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I did read joylne's and t3's iso yesterday
definitely indicates either partners or t3 was jolyne's token sr

Alice I have no idea how you think dwlee is partners with Jolyne on this scenario

I'll iso gamma today or tomorrow. If she's scum this game I'll be a little heartbroken tho

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as I interpret it, gamma isn't saying he generally thinks metabad, but that that particular instance is ridiculous enough that in a discussion on whether it has significant merit, he's siding with those who have a general dislike of metareads

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I did read joylne's and t3's iso yesterday
definitely indicates either partners or t3 was jolyne's token sr

Alice I have no idea how you think dwlee is partners with Jolyne on this scenario

I'll iso gamma today or tomorrow. If she's scum this game I'll be a little heartbroken tho

*token consistent sr/sl I should say

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Spoiler: @gamma

I did read joylne's and t3's iso yesterday
definitely indicates either partners or t3 was jolyne's token sr

Alice I have no idea how you think dwlee is partners with Jolyne on this scenario

I'll iso gamma today or tomorrow. If she's scum this game I'll be a little heartbroken tho

ngl you made my day with this post
You’re probably the first person to actually notice I switched my pronoun to “he or she”, and you acknowledging that make me feel seen in a way I haven’t really felt before maybe? Or maybe I have it wrong but I choose to believe you did the thing that gave me the warm feels with good intent

<333 I definitely try

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I LOVE DWLEE'S NEW ICON

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what if we just limmed t3 for safety

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no that'd mean nm alive in a potential melo (if 3 scum)
what if we limmed nm for safety

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i like the both of you to be clear but also you're dangerous

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Is there more to your case than associatives

Should I not be using associatives after a player flips scum? And yes, there are some points in there that are not strictly associative.

this is an oof response

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I came to finally iso gamma but I would like answers
VOTE: t3

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and Alice and Dwlee being on t3 is a good sign I should add

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hey, you made it to d4
and jolyne was a big part of it

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You know I think I pinned it down
like, when I think of t3 I don't think of him sring people who sr him, nor those vote him
like it probably happens but the impression in my head

despite the fact I've voted his slot over multiple games, I can't remember him sring me for it once
and here I hammered and just
nothing???

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*it probably happens but there isn't an impression of it in my head

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HELL YEAH BOY

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Since it's D5 I'll just claim it was me who blocked the NK on Alice.
D1 protect was Val bc I'm fucking dumb and only remembered the IC part of his role and not the ascetic part.
N2 target was gamma.
N3 target was Darby WHO ENDED UP BEING MACHO god
N4 of course was Alice.

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well that's what I thought but

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also nice icon strange
ellen is a cutie

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dwlee isn't scum

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Why would I claim before now?
Also of course itd matter if you died.

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Why would I claim before now?
Also of course itd matter if you died.

I consider no lim tbh to check if red will be able to protect me again.

I mean I'm almost a guaranteed NK and I'm not gonna bank on us having a second protector
so the proof would be in the night flip actually

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... what game? I only remember 3d20 but dwlee was in that one

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Hanahaki Disease

ohh how did i forget
okay yeah, when you were talking to t3 right. kind of milder in that game maybe, but it feels dished out of the same bowl, so to speak.

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Wait redtea are you just a doctor doctor

im town babysitter, which makes the fact town ascetic died n1 hurt all the more
id been trying to figure out whether it'd be better to withold my exact role but i just can't think of a negative that isn't outweighed by a positive atp

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Wait redtea are you just a doctor doctor

im town babysitter, which makes the fact town ascetic died n1 hurt all the more
id been trying to figure out whether it'd be better to withold my exact role but i just can't think of a negative that isn't outweighed by a positive atp

Well in that case don’t use that anymore because it can only hurt

This is wrong too, we're at evens, we're not no-yeeting today with the claim. If we lim town we lose regardless, but if we lim scum redtea should claim their target and target someone, they either don't die which gives us info, the target is town and they both die, but we get back down to odds, or mafia targets not redtea for the NK.

uuuh
wait am I remembering the right game we don't know how many scum there is right

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if there's only one scum left and I do that, then that puts scum at parity

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if I hit town

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wait hold on let me reread

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Wait redtea are you just a doctor doctor

im town babysitter, which makes the fact town ascetic died n1 hurt all the more
id been trying to figure out whether it'd be better to withold my exact role but i just can't think of a negative that isn't outweighed by a positive atp

Well in that case don’t use that anymore because it can only hurt

This is wrong too, we're at evens, we're not no-yeeting today with the claim. If we lim town we lose regardless, but if we lim scum redtea should claim their target and target someone, they either don't die which gives us info, the target is town and they both die, but we get back down to odds, or mafia targets not redtea for the NK.

okay now I understand
but upon declaring this strategy, if we went through with it then. Scum would probably just avoid nking me no matter who I targeted

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Wait redtea are you just a doctor doctor

im town babysitter, which makes the fact town ascetic died n1 hurt all the more
id been trying to figure out whether it'd be better to withold my exact role but i just can't think of a negative that isn't outweighed by a positive atp

Well in that case don’t use that anymore because it can only hurt

This is wrong too, we're at evens, we're not no-yeeting today with the claim. If we lim town we lose regardless, but if we lim scum redtea should claim their target and target someone, they either don't die which gives us info, the target is town and they both die, but we get back down to odds, or mafia targets not redtea for the NK.

okay now I understand
but upon declaring this strategy, if we went through with it then. Scum would probably just avoid nking me no matter who I targeted

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Babysitter

This does not make sense.

Why would reapers avoid shooting nking you when you give two town deaths?

if I declare a target and they don't die with me then that outs them as scum

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wait
so then
wait

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uhhh
I'll try to remember the other piece of the puzzle after work

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Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare

okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"

gut says anyone sring dwlee at this point is a scumtell

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will catch up more at break and after work

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broken record I am

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I targeted no one bc I didn't want to bet that scum would target Alice over me

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Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.

I kinda feel like it’s you + CS but I also have not done much real work of my own to reach that conclusion so to send that atm doesn’t seem right

This post alone clears dwlee tbh