Open 834: Trust Fall - Game Over

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Which one? I blocked out 1 from my memory but my issue iirc was never having the time to actually read the game. I was very intentional to appeal to user sympathy, but here cookie is suggesting that I let an emotion bleed through rather than simply faked it.

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Basically all I remember from GG1 is deciding I would never again post as scum until I had read the game in full

Took me 3/4 years to push it, and I only risked it on Day 1 vs. a very weak table

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Eh, rereading cookie's framing I guess GG1 fits the bill of scum struggling to catch up, intentionally manipulative or not.

My point was just that it's NAI for me to be very hard on myself though rather than anything town/scum indicative.

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Yeah, and I think you're right because I really forgot about everything that game other than my "always catch up before posting" rule. Reviewing it you can see that I was very intentional about how I angled it from literally post 1.

A pretty academic exercise but damn that is the second time you know my scum meta better than I did

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jots on notepad

"review...every scumgame...when red vs. tammy...double-check to prevent reuse of both overarching strategic angle & smaller scale tactics...will remember even 4+ years out...."

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For once I am not confident, so I guess we will have to play again.

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Either way, thoughts on Enchant, MafMen, and if you want to boot scoot on out together?

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Well, I suggested me/Enchant since that was the most pressing, but I'll be around on my phone if you want to talk about anything. Might take me a sec but will be around

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Alright, well, I will leave this here to return it when/if you feel like it.

Trust: Tammy

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Enchant/Wisdom should probably pair tomorrow. If the game extends, I still think MafMen is town but cannot confidently pick a second.

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If I'm scum it's not like leaving before me is going to help town's case much, but again I'm still hopeful you can help us out with the Nulls+my paranoia of Enchant

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Sleep well Tammatha

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I'm really only curious about Enchant at this point because I think Klick/cookie/Infinity are all huge coinflips so idk

Trusting two town to clear them knowing they have free reign should probably go further than it does with me but double/triple/quadruple checking is kind of what I do

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Hope you managed to squeeze in some rowing between heading and rereading fella

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grading*

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Lazy? On the weekend? Tammy, sister, how could you?

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And it's okay I just had to leave the gym early because apparently some miscreants replaced whatever muscles I might have possessed with wet spaghetti over the weekend, my body was just not having it today

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Nah, it's fine, not your job to carry me even though that's the dream

I'm home so I'll read some more I guess

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I lied I'm watching TV but I've talked way too much the last 24 hours so it's other people's turn to play the mafia game and say important things

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Also I'm going to go back to a purer time and channel a purer Magical Bear soul and forgo the more rigorous and thorough planning and appeals which are my forte

and leave a song, which is also my forte

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I'm very worried now that there is scum in the block, if only because no one is even trying to break out of it. Perhaps both alignments are worried about the very perception of trying to break out of it.

I am very disappointed that Infinity/Klick have not given serious input into the blocks or made real forays into solving the game. I hope whoever is town is ready to shoulder the loss in 4 way.

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Do you have a specific reason to be wary of me?

I'm going to be arrogant but direct: There's no reason to worry about my alignment anymore. Not a single player currently thinks I'm scum. No one is trying to get in the way of my pairing off. You could argue I'm splitting hairs over Enchant so I can leave, but there's no need. Wisdom wanted to leave with me tomorrow, so all I have to do is wait. If I'm scum with one of Wisdom/Enchant, maybe this extended distancing/demoralization would make some sense to really put the game away, but this is not only counterfactual but extremely tenuous and there's no reason to even raise the red flag. Wisdom's plan had me leaving with him, so that pairing especially should really go out the window.

And if my partner isn't Enchant/Wisdom, why am I even trying to leave? The final 4 is a coinflip shitshow with basically a 50% EV regardless of which of them my partner is. I don't do 50/50s. If there is even a ghost of a chance of losing the game, I will do whatever it takes to crush the town completely.

All of this should be enough to believe I am town, but even in a hypothetical world where none of the above is true, it is welldocumented that I am happy to demoralize and demotivate town and make the game unfun to play. If scum-me wants to get out, it's probably mutually beneficial to let me, because otherwise I'm going to keep sucking the energy out of the game.

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I'm also on record as always playing to the level of the table as scum-outright abandoning games where town is playing like shit or just sitting back and letting them lose. I frequently use metaphors of towns sleepwalking, "let them throw if they want", and letting town just lose of their own volition.

What am I even doing kicking the sleeping bear here?

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(And to be clear, the reason I want to leave now is because at least 2 of the F4 clearly aren't going to play until forced to-we either win if Wisdom/Enchant are town or kick the people that actually matter into doing shit instead of AFKing for another week)

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It makes sense to be wary of me in general.

My point here is that your choices are YOLO coinflip on cookie while all of the game AFKs for two more weeks, or just go for one of me/Enchant who are consensus trusts atm and force Klick/Infinity to actually play the fucking game. Enchant/I may be mafia but I'm doing you a favor if I'm scum leaving before my partner because that F4 is a huge fucking coinflip.

Maybe I'm scared of you/cookie but considering that wasn't even REMOTELY on anyone's radar until you mentioned it today ??? why be worried the last 2/3 days

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(I would not trust Infinity of the bunch, they can lurk but this is disgustingly lethargic, begging to lose to a coinflip, and frankly unacceptable)

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My expectation for this game is essentially we trust -> Enchant/Wisdom trust and Enchant flips scum -> We lose to some stupid yolo trust Day 4

Hopefully I am wrong and Enchant flips town or YOLO trust works Day 4 but my faith in the gumption of town players right now is extremely fucking low.

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Literally Tammy the only questions here are:

1) If my partner is in MafMen/Klick/Infinity/cookie why do I EVER leave today and put my faith in coinflipping?
2) If my partner is not them but in Wisdom/Enchant ???????? why am I not letting Enchant leave today?

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I'm just very frustrated. I don't think we have enough information to solve the game. I took the day off hoping that some of them would find the space relieving and make a good faith attempt. Whether it's my fault for spamming too much previously or their own, several players refuse to give substantial input or play the game and will not do so until forced to.

I'd rather just leave them to dig themselves out of the hole they made.

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I'm not frustrated with you, I'm frustrated with the people who do not take the prospect of scum being in the block seriously and think that if they sleepwalk into the final 4 and don't do shit beforehand they will obviously win anyway.

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Don't get me wrong. I want to leave, I'm trying to convince you to leave with me, but I'm not kicking myself out the door if people actually wanted to talk about me/Enchant or who is scum among themselves. They do not. They are sleepwalkers and they deserve the L headed their way.

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I guess telling you I'm town won't help you sleep at night, will it?

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idk why you're so scared of it sounds like a great time tbh

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Alright maybe the sleepwalkers will wake up overnight, we'll see

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The entire reconsideration of the block was started by my insistence on rereading and double-checking. The plan was for Tammy to go with Enchant then Wisdom goes with me tomorrow. I have no reason to panic as scum and grovel at Tammy's feet for a trust.

I have every reason to double check on Enchant and every reason to be frustrated with the prospect of a dysfunctional and inactive final four.

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1714 gives me an aneurysm because it's divining that my confidence in my scumgame is equivalent to my confidence in my towngame and ability to solocarry. It spins a hypothetical alternative around that false equivalence and directly dismisses the original scum description out of convenience. I have an extensive record of solocarrying games as scum and not losing my composure even in a 4 way where town got 3 guesses on the last scum. I have an extensive record of trying this hard, getting this frustrated, and being unable to carry it as town.

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I'm sick of this game and am ending it.

Trust: MafMen

If he accepts go Wisdom/Tammy romorrow. If not this should replace Enchant for the Wisdom trust and I will go to Final 2 if I am wrong.

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If I threw out of tilt that's on me but 3/4 other players have had their yolo trusts so w/e

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Acknowledge the trust, don't have to accept it.

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Cool. Tammy/Wisdom tomorrow.

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I was scum but this game is just so fucking stupid

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C'est la vie

Have fun sorting through all this

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Weren't you supposed to be not-an-alt?

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Spoiler: It's only fitting that I leave you with a song

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Iceland was probably my best game but was overkill. This one was boring and middling.

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Remember kids, you can always trust Pooky to read me correctly

Even when he's been wrong repeatedly lmao

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Yeah I mean I'll take it but ?????

Sorry if irl/the general nastiness of the game got in the way, scum

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Good job Tammatha but let the lesson be clear

IF YOU DON'T KEEP YOUR PROMISES I WILL LEAVE YOUR ASS HANGING

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It's okay. It happens, and you will get other chances.

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I just realized scum did not place a single trust vote all game.

Two implications of this are 1) Every single trust made was by a town player 2) All 3 trusts on Tammy the last day were by the other 3 town players

Just a tragic game