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Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:39 pm

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In post 1420, Venus Fly Trap wrote:there's not a universe where scum-me thinks it's a good idea to do anything but slap a townread on u and call it a day
then why in the living hell did you object when i put an early townread on you for precisely NOT doing that??????

????????

????

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Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:39 pm

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also just want to point out that this wagon got to e2 and mm's is strugglign to get there despite lld wanting it as well ...
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Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:40 pm

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In post 1418, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1412, Critter wrote:
In post 1411, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Like everyone needs to understand I chose to do this with like, nearly a week left (5 days and change now) because we have that time and I want to be able to use it if I need it so.

We're not in a rush, take your time.
We should be in a rush though. That’s the issue. I wish I wasn’t an alt I could say (thing) and then you’d see my point. This is infuriating.
I'm so confused why you feel we need to rush this day, I just took the time to control the pace of the game, the game died for a whole 24 hours as I shut it down and now we're resetting with new info.
How many PRs are in a typical game LLD? 4-5

We have 2-3 openly claimed and me softed.

We are running dangerously close to mass claim on Day fucking one.

There are two other people who are softed PRs no I won’t say who.

Unless we turbo elim someone not in that pool we risk a cascade reaction.
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Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:41 pm

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In post 1369, Towelie wrote:
In post 1364, Critter wrote:There’s no reason for her to just suddenly swap her read on me like she did.
she saw a soft, same as me. I don't think that's an AI reaction.

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a) i didn't swap my read, i was townreading critter prior
b) dunno why you guys were pushing so hard if u saw the soft
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Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:42 pm

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In post 1372, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1364, Critter wrote:
In post 1363, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1361, Critter wrote:I really think Skitter is town LLD. I don’t know about Lilith but the Skitter head I think is town.

I will be working all night but a promise is a promise.

What’s the vote count at?
Feel free to spend the time convincing me. I'm not unconvincable. This is just where I landed after a game review.
Assume for the moment that Skitter is scum. She could have easily went for “easier” elims or brought some to claim. The fact she hasn’t means one or more of the pushes done today has been on scum. There’s no reason for her to just suddenly swap her read on me like she did.

The fact no one has been brought to E-1 and we are at like a billion pages says something.
This is wholy unconvincing because you're forgetting we have an IC in the town and we had GE do a claim thing.
tbf my goal as scum wouldn't be to just wagon random people and hope more people claim
(and tbf i don't think most scum approach the game this way @critter)
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Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:42 pm

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we weren't voting there, and as you could see by my post to cap off the discussion there, weren't intending to.

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Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:43 pm

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In post 1428, Venus Fly Trap wrote:i didn't swap my read, i was townreading critter prior
i agree

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Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:43 pm

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In post 1427, Critter wrote:
In post 1418, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1412, Critter wrote:
In post 1411, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Like everyone needs to understand I chose to do this with like, nearly a week left (5 days and change now) because we have that time and I want to be able to use it if I need it so.

We're not in a rush, take your time.
We should be in a rush though. That’s the issue. I wish I wasn’t an alt I could say (thing) and then you’d see my point. This is infuriating.
I'm so confused why you feel we need to rush this day, I just took the time to control the pace of the game, the game died for a whole 24 hours as I shut it down and now we're resetting with new info.
How many PRs are in a typical game LLD? 4-5

We have 2-3 openly claimed and me softed.

We are running dangerously close to mass claim on Day fucking one.

There are two other people who are softed PRs no I won’t say who.

Unless we turbo elim someone not in that pool we risk a cascade reaction.
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Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:46 pm

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I for one don’t think we have five TPRs in a game designed to be like 2013 meta
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Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:47 pm

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In post 1401, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Critter feels subversive. There's a lot of talk about town cohesion, bringing the town together, but when side-conversations occur about his slot, he starts tearing it up and driving wedges to spike the conversation dead. It's very... self-centered? play, which isn't necessarily anti-town, but what gets me is how when trying to direct/command/lead town it's very go-us, work-together, deadline-is-near, and when it comes to his slot it's very this-is-a-bad-idea, stop-saying-that, you'll-regret-this. There's no trust for players to come to equilibrium with specifically his own personal slot in particular.
i think he's a pr who's whole game is basically based around 'i'm a pr and i don't want to claim and i don't' think we should be getting other people to claim'
from that lens i think his whole play makes sense

(also i think there's slightly one more layer to the ssbm push that has not yet been articulated, and i think i know what it is, and once again given that it makes sense. good, no. scummy, not really either)

pedit tbf i don't think this is like 2013 meta? or at least not what i think 2013 meta to be? i don't think this is *that* low complexity
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Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:47 pm

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In post 1433, Towelie wrote:I for one don’t think we have five TPRs in a game designed to be like 2013 meta
Ranges are a thing. I think we are on the high end but simple and scum maybe have 1 goon at most making Gamma very important.
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Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:48 pm

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In post 1407, Towelie wrote:
In post 1406, Venus Fly Trap wrote:and we can go through the whole thing where this is not the approach scum-me takes with bork, if you'd like
i'm listening

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i'm gonna just hold this till i get to the posts in which u responded to my other post on u. like i see it let me just finish everything else and i'll get there
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Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:48 pm

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In post 1329, Towelie wrote:In post 82, Cabd wrote:
Players should expect a fairly balanced non-swingy game that plays more like a classic normal game from the 2013 era, with mountain dew flavor shamelessly bolted on top of it.
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Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:49 pm

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In post 1437, Towelie wrote:
In post 1329, Towelie wrote:In post 82, Cabd wrote:
Players should expect a fairly balanced non-swingy game that plays more like a classic normal game from the 2013 era, with mountain dew flavor shamelessly bolted on top of it.
Yes. I am telling you IF I am right the theory I have matches that.
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Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:50 pm

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In post 1437, Towelie wrote:
In post 1329, Towelie wrote:In post 82, Cabd wrote:
Players should expect a fairly balanced non-swingy game that plays more like a classic normal game from the 2013 era, with mountain dew flavor shamelessly bolted on top of it.
It's amazing how many people didn't read that and didn't read the multiple times it has been quoted
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Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:51 pm

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my interpretation is "low complexity, likely to be no gotcha bullshit negative interaction clownfiesta like 2181 was, but still w/ possibly modern roles to be used in the PR slots (which i'm mostly filling in due to gamma claim)"

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Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:52 pm

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In post 1440, Towelie wrote:my interpretation is "low complexity, likely to be no gotcha bullshit negative interaction clownfiesta like 2181 was, but still w/ possibly modern roles to be used in the PR slots (which i'm mostly filling in due to gamma claim)"

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Agreed I just think we are on the high end of PRs making Gamma very important because if he gets a result he can get two people to claim VT or not without saying the result and we potentially get a 1v1.
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Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:53 pm

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yep, i agree.

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Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:55 pm

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In post 1442, Towelie wrote:yep, i agree.

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Then why the heck are you not in rush the day keep the PRs hidden so scum can’t wiggle out of Gamma’s check?

It’s just so fucking blatant here that Kyo is scum like it hurts that I can’t explain it.
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Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:56 pm

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And how you have defended her not just that you have plus your push on me makes you very likely scum as well. It’s like a 1-2 combo.
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Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:00 pm

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In post 1443, Critter wrote:Then why the heck are you not in rush the day keep the PRs hidden so scum can’t wiggle out of Gamma’s check?
probably not how i'm ever gonna play mafia.

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Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:00 pm

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In post 1425, Towelie wrote:
In post 1420, Venus Fly Trap wrote:there's not a universe where scum-me thinks it's a good idea to do anything but slap a townread on u and call it a day
then why in the living hell did you object when i put an early townread on you for precisely NOT doing that??????

????????

????

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i mean i'd draw it out a bit and make it look good, like i'd be indecisive for a bit but ultimatley settle on a townread and then just stick with it for the rest of teh game
idk why u think i'd be drawing this out or bickering with u about this this whole time tho
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Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:01 pm

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In post 1430, Towelie wrote:we weren't voting there, and as you could see by my post to cap off the discussion there, weren't intending to.

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yeah fair enuf, i hadn't gotten that far yet
i think u should have dropped the push earlier but apparently notsci thinks otherwise
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Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:01 pm

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In post 1444, Critter wrote:And how you have defended her not just that you have plus your push on me makes you very likely scum as well. It’s like a 1-2 combo.
this isn't how mafia works but go off

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Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:03 pm

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In post 1448, Towelie wrote:
In post 1444, Critter wrote:And how you have defended her not just that you have plus your push on me makes you very likely scum as well. It’s like a 1-2 combo.
this isn't how mafia works but go off

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Except that’s exactly how it works. Scum were caught in dances with this exact sort of shit.

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