Nomic: Wiki Edition --- Finished (More or Less)

[Jake The Wolfie]

What do you think about the suggestion then that someone who wants to abstain can do so while continuing to participate at the cost e.g. of all other candidates receiving 2nd preference points (3). That eliminates the relative advantage they would have gained without distorting the relative rankings of the other players. Would that

still

be disagreeable to you?

I would want many reforms to the voting process to happen, mainly:

A player may choose to announce their withdrawing from the race. They may no longer be voted for, and any player attempting to vote for them will not vote for anyone at that rank. Note that a Withdrawn play may still vote, or may choose not to vote.

A player may choose to rank as many or as few players onto each line as they want, however each other player's name may only appear once in their ranking, even if this would cause multiple or no players on each rank. (So, a player may rank 2 or more players in 2nd, and may choose to not rank anyone at 1st).

[Deimos27]

I have responses but it's so late at night that I can procrastinate going to sleep no longer.
We can talk more in the morning.

p-edit: ok this is progress we can talk about this

[Deimos27]

p-edit: ok this is progress we can talk about this

in the morning that is
or rather in the afternoon for me at this rate

[Jake The Wolfie]

this me me stalling you so that you won't be able to go the the library

[Ircher]

A player may choose to rank as many or as few players onto each line as they want, however each other player's name may only appear once in their ranking, even if this would cause multiple or no players on each rank. (So, a player may rank 2 or more players in 2nd, and may choose to not rank anyone at 1st).

How do you think the points should be distributed in this case? I agree allowing a candidate to withdraw sounds like a good idea.

[StrangerCoug]

I am in favor of changing the electoral rules some, and I do see Deimos27's argument as to how I could have benefited by not submitting a vote. I do like Jake's idea of ranked-choice voting and would like to see how he plans to implement it before I chime in with my idea.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Each player has some amount of voting power X. If that player distributes their voting power such that the total amount of votes they submitted is less than or equal to X, then each individual vote will be worth 1. However, if a player distributes their voting power such that the total amount of votes is greater than X, then each vote will be worth X/Y, where Y is the total amount of votes submitted by that player, and where Y > X.

[Ircher]

Knowledge Point Awards:

Give Deimos27 8 Knowledge Points

for 359 and 367.

Give Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle, 7 Knowledge Points

for 363, 374, and 375
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I think the suggestion in 381 is on the right track. If we go that route, I think a voting power of 9 makes sense since that's the current voting power.
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Intuitively I'd like making decisions elsewhere to keep this thread streamlined on legislation but I also appreciate that it decreases transparency and might be less convenient than having everything related to the game in the same place.

I'd say formal voting is unnecessary if we get verbal consensus from everyone, and in general we should aim for such consensus first and use formal majority voting as a last resort.

Thoughts on this StrangerCoug? I'm in favor of not really doing formal voting simply because that can needlessly slow things down. As to hosting it elsewhere, I don't think it is too much of a distraction to just do it in the thread. Ideally, we aren't going to be ruling on too much anyway.

I hereby establish the currency Crowns. Its symbol is kr. An initial supply of 1 000 kr shall be printed.

I better get in on this.

What do you plan on doing with these Crowns?

[StrangerCoug]

Intuitively I'd like making decisions elsewhere to keep this thread streamlined on legislation but I also appreciate that it decreases transparency and might be less convenient than having everything related to the game in the same place.

I'd say formal voting is unnecessary if we get verbal consensus from everyone, and in general we should aim for such consensus first and use formal majority voting as a last resort.

Thoughts on this StrangerCoug? I'm in favor of not really doing formal voting simply because that can needlessly slow things down. As to hosting it elsewhere, I don't think it is too much of a distraction to just do it in the thread. Ideally, we aren't going to be ruling on too much anyway.

I don't think there's an issue with dispensing with formalities here and doing voting in thread unless there's a compelling need for secrecy.

[Ircher]

27 minutes left for my question. Even if you are unsure, feel free to guess. You don't lose anything for an incorrect response (except not being able to guess again for eight hours, but with 30 minutes left, that is kind of moot).

One additional rule for QoTD (Question of the day): You only get 2 guesses a day, and your second guess must be at least eight hours after your first.

Question of the Day #1

Category: Physics
Question: What physical law describes the force between two point charges? (Note: Spelling counts.)
Bonus: You will gain an extra 3 KP if you provide the correct mathematical formulation of the law in addition to the name. You must state what each variable means; however, constants may simply be specified as constants without naming the specific constant or its value. Units are optional here as well.

[Jake The Wolfie]

The LAW

of

~attraction~

[Ircher]

I am afraid that is incorrect.

The answer I was looking for was either

Coulomb's Law

or

Coulomb's Inverse Square Law

. Deimos27 did in fact post the correct scalar formulation of the law. I will

give Deimos27 1 Knowledge Point

as a consolation prize.

Question of the Day #2

Category: Literature
Question: Which well-known Russian author's works include "Eugene Onegin", "The Belkin Tales", "The Queen of Spades", and "I Loved You"? (Again, spelling counts; however, I will accept two forms for the author's name. You must provide both a first and last name.)

To incentivize more people to participate, you will gain 1 Knowledge Point from me if you give a reasonable guess. It is up to me to decide what constitutes reasonable.
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Also, the board should decide on an exchange rate for Crowns and Knowledge Points. I am currently thinking maybe N$1 = 50 KP for now would be reasonable. For crowns, since there are less of them, perhaps N$1 = 20 kr would be a good initial exchange rate. I expect these exchange rates to improve over time as the owner's supply of the currency decreases with time.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Well known my ass.

[StrangerCoug]

Also, the board should decide on an exchange rate for Crowns and Knowledge Points. I am currently thinking maybe N$1 = 50 KP for now would be reasonable. For crowns, since there are less of them, perhaps N$1 = 20 kr would be a good initial exchange rate. I expect these exchange rates to improve over time as the owner's supply of the currency decreases with time.

Maybe, or perhaps N$1 = 25 kr as an alternative if we think that 20 crowns to the Nomic dollar overvalues the crown a bit. I'd like to know what's on Deimos's mind as regards a fair exchange rate.

[Deimos27]

Each player has some amount of voting power X. If that player distributes their voting power such that the total amount of votes they submitted is less than or equal to X, then each individual vote will be worth 1. However, if a player distributes their voting power such that the total amount of votes is greater than X, then each vote will be worth X/Y, where Y is the total amount of votes submitted by that player, and where Y > X.

I am ok with this

[Jake The Wolfie]

In addition, it should be impossible for a player to have more than X voting power through any methods.

[Deimos27]

What do you plan on doing with these Crowns?

I was thinking of making people beat me at games to win them.
I'll get the ball rolling with what is essentially a giveaway, awarding some 10 crowns to anyone who rolls a higher value on a single dice than I do.
You may choose how many sides the dice has. Use dice tags and roll exactly once. I will reply to each of you individually :)

[StrangerCoug]

In addition, it should be impossible for a player to have more than X voting power through any methods.

I agree.

[Jake The Wolfie]

In addition, it should be impossible for a player to have more than X voting power through any methods.

I'm hesitant to suggest that if a player somehow obtains a voting power over X that they should be heavily penalized for it, since it could be an incentive to screw other players over.

[Deimos27]

Coulomb's Law or Coulomb's Inverse Square Law

I am dumb :D
The coulomb is literally the SI unit of electric charge

[Deimos27]

Which well-known Russian author's works include "Eugene Onegin", "The Belkin Tales", "The Queen of Spades", and "I Loved You"? (Again, spelling counts; however, I will accept two forms for the author's name. You must provide both a first and last name.)

I don't recognise any of these names.
It was 1 guess per 8 hours right
Let's start with Fyodor Dostoyevsky

[Ircher]

Yes, 1 guess per 8 hours / 2 total per day. That is a good guess but sadly incorrect. (I will give participation prizes at the same time a correct answer is given/time expires.)
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We need more proposals. Anyone have some?

[Deimos27]

Also, the board should decide on an exchange rate for Crowns and Knowledge Points. I am currently thinking maybe N$1 = 50 KP for now would be reasonable. For crowns, since there are less of them, perhaps N$1 = 20 kr would be a good initial exchange rate. I expect these exchange rates to improve over time as the owner's supply of the currency decreases with time.

Maybe, or perhaps N$1 = 25 kr as an alternative if we think that 20 crowns to the Nomic dollar overvalues the crown a bit. I'd like to know what's on Deimos's mind as regards a fair exchange rate.

Note that there are 25 times more KP in circulation rn than crowns I'm not convinced that a crown is fairly valued at only 2KP.
However, I'm also ok with keeping crowns as valueless currently as they're not really yet integrated into the economy. I'm still figuring out what I want to do with them.
Ircher's mechanisms for KP are fairly clear so they deserve the exchange rate.

[Deimos27]

We need more proposals. Anyone have some?

We should think of more uses for Nomic Dollars.

[Deimos27]

Let's do N$1 = 50KP for now I'm ok with that