Nomic: Wiki Edition --- Finished (More or Less)

[Ircher]

What do you plan on doing with these Crowns?

I was thinking of making people beat me at games to win them.
I'll get the ball rolling with what is essentially a giveaway, awarding some 10 crowns to anyone who rolls a higher value on a single dice than I do.
You may choose how many sides the dice has. Use dice tags and roll exactly once. I will reply to each of you individually

Original Roll String: 1d271

1 271-Sided Dice: (262) = 262

[Deimos27]

Would that mean I'll be able to buy KP with nomic dollars
I quite like these quizzes and wouldn't mind doing some of my own

[Deimos27]

What do you plan on doing with these Crowns?

I was thinking of making people beat me at games to win them.
I'll get the ball rolling with what is essentially a giveaway, awarding some 10 crowns to anyone who rolls a higher value on a single dice than I do.
You may choose how many sides the dice has. Use dice tags and roll exactly once. I will reply to each of you individually

Original Roll String: 1d271 (STATIC)

1 271-Sided Dice: (210) = 210

Original Roll String: 1d271

1 271-Sided Dice: (187) = 187

[Deimos27]

Big

Give Ircher 10 kr

[StrangerCoug]

We need more proposals. Anyone have some?

Well, last game, we transmuted the rule about joining to ensure that anybody could join. While I don't think anybody would feel left out by the current rule being mutable since we haven't contemplated, oh, outright closing signups to everybody, it might help with reassurance.

Proposal 340: Rule 212 is hereby transmuted to immutable.

[Ircher]

Yeah, currency can currently be exchanged at will provided there is an exchange rate. So you could convert your Nomic dollars to some knowledge points if you wanted to since we've now established an exchange rate for them.
pedit: VOTE: Yea 340
I will probably have some proposals in the morning if we are still lacking in them. One of them will be modifying the rule regarding proposals expiring, and I am also thinking having some interactions with my currency. (The currency stuff might be motions for the shop.)

[Jake The Wolfie]

Proposal 341: Amend 213 to say the following: All players start with the larger of either 0 points, or X points, where X is the equal to the median of how many points each player has.

This would definitely still put newer players in the running for winning, regardless of when they join, which we should pass more legislation to encourage.

[Deimos27]

Could maybe be perceived as unfair to those players with a lower point total than the median.
I'm pretty ok with that policy though if it helps incentivise people to join

[Deimos27]

Let's do N$1 = 50KP for now I'm ok with that

Coug confirm this still?

[Deimos27]

VOTE: Aye 340
VOTE: Aye 341

[StrangerCoug]

Let's do N$1 = 50KP for now I'm ok with that

Coug confirm this still?

I confirm being OK with it.

VOTE: Yea 341

[Deimos27]

Exchange N$10 for 500KP

Ok my questions have the same ruleset as Ircher's. The theme is ancient Greek and Roman literature.

1. "Divine command theory" grounds morals in the word of a deity (i.e. it answers the question "what is good?" with "that which [deity] commands"). A famous dilemma for divine command theory can be paraphrased roughly as follows: is x good because the gods judge that it is good, or do the gods judge that x is good because it is good?

10KP for the name of the author of the ancient work in which this dilemma first appeared. 10KP for the title of the work. 10KP if you can explain why this might be considered a dilemma for divine command theory.

2. "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres..." is how one famous ancient work begins in its original language.

10KP for the name of the author. 10KP for the title of the work (you may give it in English). 10KP for an approximate translation of the quoted phrase.

[Jake The Wolfie]

1. "Divine command theory" grounds morals in the word of a deity (i.e. it answers the question "what is good?" with "that which [deity] commands"). A famous dilemma for divine command theory can be paraphrased roughly as follows: is x good because the gods judge that it is good, or do the gods judge that x is good because it is good?

Ah fuck, I know what this is because some atheist I watch responded to some preacher or whatever stumble their way through this and came up with "X is good because god is good"

[Jake The Wolfie]

Anyway, it's a dilemma because you either have to admit that Morality is subjective [even if it is subjective to god], or Morality is objective [and therefore does not need god to exist, since morality would exist either way]

[Deimos27]

What atheist might that be btw

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ahh, Viced Rhino? I think that's the one, and he was probably responding to something Eric Hovind did.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I don't know who found the original dilemma though, so there's that.

[Deimos27]

Anyway, it's a dilemma because you either have to admit that Morality is subjective [even if it is subjective to god], or Morality is objective [and therefore does not need god to exist, since morality would exist either way]

Yes I accept this answer. The main point in the first horn of the dilemma is that this subjectivity to the gods appears to make morality

arbitrary

; it results in the unintuitive conclusion that if the gods were to change their judgements then morality itself would also change. If they were suddenly to approve of [insert morally abhorrent action here] we would be committed to believe that [morally abhorrent action] is morally good.

Give Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle 10KP

[Deimos27]

Ahh, Viced Rhino? I think that's the one, and he was probably responding to something Eric Hovind did.

Ah I'm afraid I don't know these people.
I thought if it was cosmicskeptic I would've had the anecdote of actually having met him on the street a week ago.

[StrangerCoug]

Exchange N$10 for 500KP

Ok my questions have the same ruleset as Ircher's. The theme is ancient Greek and Roman literature.

1. "Divine command theory" grounds morals in the word of a deity (i.e. it answers the question "what is good?" with "that which [deity] commands"). A famous dilemma for divine command theory can be paraphrased roughly as follows: is x good because the gods judge that it is good, or do the gods judge that x is good because it is good?

10KP for the name of the author of the ancient work in which this dilemma first appeared. 10KP for the title of the work. 10KP if you can explain why this might be considered a dilemma for divine command theory.

2. "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres..." is how one famous ancient work begins in its original language.

10KP for the name of the author. 10KP for the title of the work (you may give it in English). 10KP for an approximate translation of the quoted phrase.

1 is talking about Euthypro's dilemma (sorry if I butchered the spelling of his name), so Euthypro for the ancient author.
I believe 2 is by Cicero and means "All Gaul is divided into three parts".
Shoot me if I know either work title off the top of my head, but I swear I've heard of them both.

[StrangerCoug]

Exchange N$10 for 500KP as well

In the process of coming up with questions, expect me to take awhile to think of good ones.

[Ircher]

Proposal 341 passed.

Proposal 342: Amend rule 306 to state, "If the player who makes a proposal becomes inactive or if 72 hours have passed since the creation of the proposal, the proposal automatically fails."

I don't really like the current implementation based on the last vote because that is more work since I have to determine when was the last vote, etc. A proposal that has not gotten the requisite votes within 72 hours was likely not passing anyway. (The post numbers are documented, but it is easier just to ISO the player who made the proposal to find when it is created versus searching for the specific post.)

Proposal 343: The moderator will prod players by pm after 48 hours of not posting.

I think this is a good rule to make official.

[StrangerCoug]

I agree.

VOTE: Yea 342

[Deimos27]

Exchange N$10 for 500KP

Ok my questions have the same ruleset as Ircher's. The theme is ancient Greek and Roman literature.

1. "Divine command theory" grounds morals in the word of a deity (i.e. it answers the question "what is good?" with "that which [deity] commands"). A famous dilemma for divine command theory can be paraphrased roughly as follows: is x good because the gods judge that it is good, or do the gods judge that x is good because it is good?

10KP for the name of the author of the ancient work in which this dilemma first appeared. 10KP for the title of the work. 10KP if you can explain why this might be considered a dilemma for divine command theory.

2. "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres..." is how one famous ancient work begins in its original language.

10KP for the name of the author. 10KP for the title of the work (you may give it in English). 10KP for an approximate translation of the quoted phrase.

1 is talking about Euthypro's dilemma (sorry if I butchered the spelling of his name), so Euthypro for the ancient author.
I believe 2 is by Cicero and means "All Gaul is divided into three parts".
Shoot me if I know either work title off the top of my head, but I swear I've heard of them both.

Ah in fact the author was not Euthyphro, though you are correct that it is the Euthyphro dilemma.
2 is not by Cicero but it does mean "All Gaul is divided into three parts."

Give StrangerCoug 10KP

[Deimos27]

Those are very good guesses indeed so I will will give you some brownie points

Give StrangerCoug 2KP