Squid Game! Game Over!

[Almost50]

And if I do agree with you on that, I will leave.

Do I speak Swahili? DON'T LEAVE BEFORE WE DISCUSS IT ALL.

And I already explained why she was Scum, but you're not reading. Like, she's been doing Scum 101 ALL game, and this time it was nothing different. Why would anyone propose to YOU in the manner she did, rather than have YOU decide whom you wanted to? She wanted to snatch you first, and has pocketed you with a .. well.. not the most honest of tricks, and you just fell for it.

The purpose of having a PT with someone should be to "read them better" (see how Dwlee wanted Math over Spamton). Why does Mama Ru pick YOU? Did she need to "figure out your alignment" still? That's why I suspect Enchant as well, He did it "the other way" though, and went for ALL AVAILABLE OPTIONS.

Take it ONE STEP AT ATIME though. We need not die on this hill if we have a chance to get to the final game. If everybody explodes at will we may not even get to the next game/round/phase.

[Almost50]

Also, for you reference (and especially to those saying Toog is Scum):

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=87762
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=87020

This happens to him every game. Like, Literally, every single game. MT, FB & Dwlee may all know about "more" of that stuff. He is an easy push for Scum, and Town almost always fall for that shit it's becoming silly tbh.

[Almost50]

Like, every time he get lim'd and flips Town and nobody ever mentions he is LHF.

[Morning Tweet]

ye it happens to them every game can confirm

Although a side effect is I have no idea how toog plays scum. i heard they might be good at it?

[Almost50]

I don't even recall having played against Scum him before. It might've happened years ago, or might have never happened.

[Almost50]

But AT LEAST give me time to talk to him in the PT because I don't recall having been wrong about him either. I don't want to sound too confident because I've been fooled often enough of late by certain players, but give me a chance to see if I can confirm his alignment.

[Almost50]

Like, EVERYONE SHOULD AGREE that I can't be Scum WITH Toogeloo here. The way the reads were being pushed it's suicidal for both of us to be paired together if that was the case, so AT LEAST one of us is Town.

[Toogeloo]

My wiki has a complete list of all my completed games. My scum win percentage is stupid high, but I only roll scum about once in every seventh or eighth game. I think I'm on a 12 game town streak currently.

[Loki Dokie]

And if I do agree with you on that, I will leave.

Do I speak Swahili? DON'T LEAVE BEFORE WE DISCUSS IT ALL.

And I already explained why she was Scum, but you're not reading. Like, she's been doing Scum 101 ALL game, and this time it was nothing different. Why would anyone propose to YOU in the manner she did, rather than have YOU decide whom you wanted to? She wanted to snatch you first, and has pocketed you with a .. well.. not the most honest of tricks, and you just fell for it.

The purpose of having a PT with someone should be to "read them better" (see how Dwlee wanted Math over Spamton). Why does Mama Ru pick YOU? Did she need to "figure out your alignment" still? That's why I suspect Enchant as well, He did it "the other way" though, and went for ALL AVAILABLE OPTIONS.

Take it ONE STEP AT ATIME though. We need not die on this hill if we have a chance to get to the final game. If everybody explodes at will we may not even get to the next game/round/phase.

No do you? I told you I will not leave unless I’m convinced she’s scum. Of course I will listen to feedback, that goes without saying.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Event

Four:

Pairing Resolution

There is some nervousness between the players as the music begins to play over the speakers.

But seeing as they have no choice, they begin to pair off,

Two by two, dancers begin to enter the floor with a flourish,

One poor person left all alone at the end,

The same hostess from before seems happy to see him,

She leads him away to dance to a different tune.

NumberQ died during Event Four! He was aligned with the

Mafia

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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Event

Four:

Dance War Part II !

You hold each other tight as the guards take away the body of the dead,

After the elevator departs with the dead body, the music resumes.

Eight pairs of dancers begin to spin across the room,

They know inside their hearts this is not where the game ends.

Event Rules:

There will be two eliminations of dance pairs during this part of Event Four.

A Dance pair may be eliminated by either a majority vote or if one player posts

leave dance

.

An elimination will reset the vote count.

There is a seven day deadline - if it is reached before two pair eliminations, I will allow the Mafia to pick the eliminated pairs.

When we are down to twelve players we will move on to Event Five.

Dance PTs have been set up for you to post in while you are alive.

Paired:

Almost50 - Toogeloo
Loki Dokie - Mama Ru
Enchant - DkKoba
Whemestar - Save The Dragons
RCEnigma - tictac
Firebringer - Something Smart
Mathblade - Dwlee99
Spamton - Morning Tweet

[DkKoba]

hopefully enchant doesnt just leave because now i want to stay

VOTE: FB + SS

Someone mentioned the FB intentionally flubbing to give to Number thing and now that we have the flipped red we should be absolutely going off of that.

[DkKoba]

WHERE DID EVERY1 GO WE FLIPPED SCUM CMON

[DkKoba]

granted they were blatant but still 1 DOWN BAYBEE

[DkKoba]

If scum really got to choose, why wouldn't they take the opportunity to kill someone townread like MT or Loki? Noraa was probably going to die eventually, even if not immediately.

(Also, if you're town, wouldn't it benefit scum to leave Noraa alive so they can keep tunneling you...?)

No. That’s a bad scum kill because that would confirm the player that was widely townread is town. Those kills are bad.

And yes Noraa could have been left alive and tunnel me but then scum risk me towntelling later and blowing the plan apart.

We don’t know how we’re going to eventually eliminate scum do the more focus is not on them they’re winning.

Oh wait, I also wanted to say that this post is so blatant to me. I'm very happy with who I targeted last night and I think Noraa was on the money with her Math read.

math town math town

[DkKoba]

Alright well I finally had time to do this. Here is what I could find vis a vis proof that Koba has been OMGUSing. Maybe OMGUS is not the exact right word - what I set out to do here is look for evidence that Koba's reads were disproportionately based on whether that person agreed with them or not. Nothing to do with whether that person scumread Koba or not, which I think is the traditional definition of OMGUS?

Also I see that I missed out on a couple of parachutes. Can I just say that I really do think this event is dumb. I get the general idea is to rely on your team and hope they choose to give you chutes if you're not on in time, but something really rubs me the wrong way about basically punishing people for having lives outside of this website.

Anyway:

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ISOing in a large theme is hard. Idk if I'll do this again. Definitely started to lose focus near the middle up to the end.

Spoiler: Koba's ISO (a bit wall-y)

dwlee is scum

Probably not very conf because of how early it is, maybe even completely non-serious. But Dwlee had recently asked MT to use heal tags right after Koba said we should slow down and not pick a team right away.

Up!

ydrasse also binning as scum

Ydrasse was trying to rush team forming.

I like MT number and darby for town rn -> number is my strongest atm

MT, Darby, and myself had mostly been agreeing with Koba's mech analysis and thoughts on how to proceed up to this point.

Well I have to get ready for trick or treaters + replacing a toilet, and I need to focus so I don't get the two mixed up by accident. Parting words for now, since I predict there will be 10 more pages before I'm back, our first step should be figuring out captains. And I think to get the ball rolling, maybe everyone who WANTS to be a captain should just vote themselves now so we get an accounting of it and discussion falls out of that and etc

I'll start,

VOTE: numberQ

pedit Koba: I'm pretty sure the rules say you can't unvote from a captain if they have already been determined to be a captain. So if we all vote MT we're stuck, and scum form 3 teams.

no - once MT chooses a team we're free

First instance of disagreeing with someone without immediately scumreading them, but there is eventually a scumread so.

mindmelding with MT

Mind melding with a TR

binning nora entrance into poe territory

All Nora had done by then was vote themselves for captain - which was against Koba's grand plan.

nora lockscum for uh
dunno if I can say LOL but ill drop it in postgame 4 sure

I believe this is referring to Nora's "scumslip", so not directly related to any kind of OMGUS apart from Nora having already disagreed with Koba before.

also gut read norwee scum here so far

i have another townread too

Norwee at this point has posted a lot of fluff. One of his few contentful posts was disagreeing with Koba about being able to read Fire.

people pushing rushing are always >rand scum btw.

Scum hate having to towntell over a longer period of time

Soft scumreads literally everyone who disagrees with them.

nevermind i see why loki said that now

i still think number town but holy shit why are rands always so bad for me in these kinds of games where the townies are the worst to work with and easily trust obvscum trying to manipulate the gamestate into a low info state

Outlier in my theory, here they apparently still townread me despite several posts disagreeing me. Again though, they eventually do scumread me.

WhemeStar has replaced WhemeStar

Hi hello there who wants to catch me up im not reading 38 pages of meme

*taps head* smart, smart

Gamma Emerald is town
Loftwing is idk
SirCakez/Mathblade is idk
Dkkoba is town
Morning Tweet is a bat
Loki Dokie is town
Save the Dragons is idk slight town
Mama Ru is idk
Firebringer is town
Whemestar is idk
Ydrasse is maybe slight town
tictac is town
DArby is town
RCEnigma is idk
DaTacoX is maybe slight scum
NorwegianboyEE is idk maybe slight scum
Almost50 is maybe slight scum
Spamton is again maybe slight scum
dwlee99 is lean town
Noraa is scum
NumberQ is town

or in a readable format:

Town: Gamma Emerald, DkKoba, Morning Tweet, Loki Dokie, Firebringer, tictac, D'Arby, numberQ
Lean Town: Ydrasse, Save The Dragons, Dwlee99
Idk: Loftwing, SirCakes/MathBlade, Mama Ru, Whemestar, RCEngima
Scumish: DaTacoX, Almost50, Spamton, Noraa

something like dat

u can trust me and my reads dont worry

Town: MT, Loki Dokie, tictac, D'Arby, numberQ
Lean Town: Dwlee99, Mama Ru, Whemestar, Firebringer(surprise), Gamma Emerald

Haven't read any of there content enough to say either way:Loftwing, DaTacoX, Save The Dragons
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What I have read makes me not townread them: Spamton, RCEngima, SirCakes/MathBlade
Actively scumreading:, Almost50, Noraa, Ydrasse

Townreads MT, also has very very similar reads list to MT.

maybe ydrasse town .

Idk where this is coming from. Seems to be in response to Ydrasse talking about meta? Fitting this read into my theory is a stretch I think. Another outlier.

i think i can move ydrasse out of "actively scumreading" to "no reason to townread" tier. which doesnt change her place as bottom 6 in my PoE but it is a notable difference to me.

Read as, "Ydrasse is no longer actively disagreeing with me"?

retracting my tr on number

I disagreed that Nora was scum, and suggested Loki might not be town.

Hm maybe nora is town

The posts leading up to this one, Koba had been talking to Math about how him saying he can't figure out reads is just making excuses. Then Nora comes out and builds a case against Math for using AtE while saying he can't figure out reads. And suddenly Koba says this after hard, hard scumreading Nora for a while.

amazing how right on queue the scummiest people are just concerned with getting parachutes for eachother and completely ignore the townblock wanting to restrict who gets them so we can use this phase as an elimination

to the townblock: there will probably be about 1-4 people who die from this. pooky (hopefully) learned his lesson with chess mafia with accelerating the game too much.

we should policy people who are in the consensus PoE who intentionally greedily take parachutes before towny people can.

"scummiest people" = "people who disagree with Koba"
"townblock" = "people who agree with Koba"

Summary: Koba almost never scumreads someone they agree with or townreads someone they disagree with. The few times there's an explanation given for a read, it's based entirely on meta or entirely on gut (see Nora read change). When it's not for one of those two reasons, it's because that person agreed or disagreed with them.

I didn't really go into this trying to scumread Koba, just point that their reads are not the end all be all and constantly scumreading people who disagree with them is actively detrimental to the game. But I think I can agree with Norwee here, there's definitely some strong-arming going on here, and LAMIST. I can see scum in this slot taking a loud role in the town.

also MF TRIED TO BURY ME IM CONF TOWN AS FUCK

[DkKoba]

i'd like to suggest we go FB+SS and if FB flips scum we flip Spamton btw

[Loki Dokie]

Vote Dwlee + Math out when the dance starts pls. My final request.

Koba, how do you know that wasn’t distancing?

[Dwlee99]

I will do more thinking about this once I talk to mathblade

[Dwlee99]

Tentative agree on flipping FB though

[Loki Dokie]

i'd like to suggest we go FB+SS and if FB flips scum we flip Spamton btw

Voting that slot is a waste since Fire will leave anyway. Only game he didn’t do that was Dark Waltz III because he literally didn’t have a choice in that.

[Morning Tweet]

Hey gotem

[Loki Dokie]

i'd like to suggest we go FB+SS and if FB flips scum we flip Spamton btw

Fire wasn’t trying very hard to catch the chute for him, so Idk if it’s AI. If he’s useless in their PT, then Tweetie should just leave.

[DkKoba]

i'd like to suggest we go FB+SS and if FB flips scum we flip Spamton btw

Fire wasn’t trying very hard to catch the chute for him, so Idk if it’s AI. If he’s useless in their PT, then Tweetie should just leave.

the point was that he was not trying in order to secure one for number first - note who was around everytime FB fake caught a chute

[Almost50]

NumberQ died during Event Four! He was aligned with the

Mafia

[/b]

Shocker, eh?

I would like to take the chance to remind everybody of my case on FB. Him grabbing a parachute for Spamton was him denying a stronger Town player from getting one, and his double failed attempts to grab it was him giving NumberQ the chance to get his.

Also, as I theorized before, FB waiting for Wheme to get him THEN going for none for Spamton was done to make them both look bad when/if he flipped. Same plan Mama Ru tried to trick me into, except I didn't fall for it and eventually the "Mama's not getting a parachute because she doesn't have the time for this" had to find the time and get herself one.