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[JacksonVirgo]

Yeet

[UglyDuck]

VOTE: ssmb
will be back before deadline.

[RCEnigma]

Jackson what's your case on Andres besides the reaction to being scumread?

[LicketyQuickety]

Vote Count 1.05

JacksonVirgo - 0
Almost50 - 0
Aaron - 0:
Not_Mafia - 1: RCEnigma
Dwlee99 - 0
AliceK - 1: Three
ssbm_Kyouko - 1: Almost50, fua
fua - 1: ssbm_Kyouko, UglyDuck
ILUVYTHAN - 0
Ythan - 0
Save The Dragons - 0
RCEnigma - 4: Save The Dragons, Andresvmb, Ythan, ILUVYTHAN
Three - 1: AliceK
UglyDuck - 1: Not_Mafia
Andresvmb - JacksonVirgo
No Elim - 0

Not Voting - 2: Aaron, Dwlee99

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to Eliminate.

Day 1 Ends in (expired on 2021-11-16 12:15:00).

Mod Notes: Prodding ILUVYTHAN and Save The Dragons.

[Not_Mafia]

How should I have responded?

To anybody that needs clarification on this, they used a psychological tactic that essentially uno reverses a negative "attack" into one that makes them look better.

In this specific example, I called them out for having a read-list which is inherently content without the content. Instead of actually defneding themselves, they instead make themselves look better by NOT addressing that fact but instead "proving" that they aren't contentless by asking for clarification or if I disagreed.

This was so seamless it blew my mind, and it makes me cautious around their slot.

It's just a readslist bro

[ILUVYTHAN]

ty for the prod i forgot this game existed

[ILUVYTHAN]

i was gonna ask ythan for a summary of what happened, but considering my beloveds last post was two days ago im not sure that'd be particularly helpful

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[fua]

…I think you misinterpreted what I said.

If I didn’t claim

, I wouldn’t be killed at night. Of course I’m going to be killed now. I’d be stupid to think otherwise.

I did indeed. Makes more sense. Still not sure why you felt the urgency to claim though.

We have a day left in the phase and I was at 4 votes. I don’t want to risk claiming at 6 hours left especially when this has been a low-activity game.

[Ythan]

i was gonna ask ythan for a summary of what happened, but considering my beloveds last post was two days ago im not sure that'd be particularly helpful

You're considerate too wow

[Almost50]

Here's me submitting a motion eliminate Andres, on the condition that if he flips Town we insta elim both JV & ssbm next. JV is damn too sus (in addition to ssbm) for outing the JK AND still not voting ssbm after that. How say the TOWN??

[Almost50]

If Andres is scum and we flip Kyouko here I'm putting this exact post in my sig.

To me; you are clearly fishing for another PR claim.. and you think it could be Andres.

[Dwlee99]

Why would we flip Andres instead of just the other two

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It was beginner’s luck.

Wait actually what? This completely betrays a scum mindset - you wouldnt think of this as beginner's luck if you were town. Beginner's luck is when you do something accidentally that helps you succeed. The way JV describes the response as being like, suave (?), like intentionally tricky I guess, and the for fua to say it is beginners luck is like, betraying that fua benefits from that kind of manipulation. They perceive that kind of response as something that is beneficial.to them that they did accidentally, and attribute it to beginner's luck.

Idk, I also might have missed whatever fua had to say about me but I felt when reading about why they say I'm scum, like this doesnt make sense?

I'll vote RCE for deadline if needed but until then I feel good about VOTE: Fua

I was being sarcastic. Also, you were already voting me.

it doesn't seem like sarcasm to me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also thought I was voting dwlee but I was having some misgivings there

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Saw JK claim and thought this was a different setup, assuming that is not CCed so should be resolved at some point UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

Kyouko you kinda just seem like scum here

Any thoughts on that

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Since we don’t have much time left in the day anyway and there probably won’t be a counterwagon on the scum, I’m the Town Jailkeeper. Sheep me on Kyoko because they’re clearly obvious scumming and should be taken out. Their post is either grasping at straws to try to reinforce my wagon or calling me stupid enough to openly claim scum out in public, which I don’t appreciate.

Mafia will never kill me and I’ll be miselimmed later anyways. Better to force mafia to kill the suspicious slot and remove the utility of their strongman (if Kyoko isn’t their strongman anyways) than lose two townies.

Also kinda disgusting you think I'm calling you stupid with that last post - scum are thinking about the game the same as the rest of us (albeit from a different angle) and sometimes you can get a glimpse of the wrong mindset if you read into seemingly innocuous posts

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kyouko you kinda just seem like scum here

Any thoughts on that

I think this is gonna be an inevitable consequence of playing runescape and efforting less

[ssbm_Kyouko]

They’re obviously scumming though. No townie would ever use their thought process to catch scum because it’s such an inherently flawed mindset to go about things with.

I caught S_S via his previous slotholder's "sarcastic" slip that betrayed a scum mindset in Owner's Market Blitz

Mistyx, early on in D1, said something along the lines of "I think this can be won through massclaim"

"That's going to be my excuse anyway"
They were ostensibly saying the setup is so townsided they dont have to effort on D1 as it's in the bag, but in reality they were exasperated that their 3rd partner was completely MIA and was being bussed by their other active partner Gamma. They replaced out shortly thereafter.

Ita completely natural to see the posts and think they're coming from town, but you have to consider "what would scum be thinking if they made that post" and sometimes a post makes so much more sense to come from scum than town

[Almost50]

Why would we flip Andres instead of just the other two

To pin them both to the cross

[Dwlee99]

Why would we flip Andres instead of just the other two

To pin them both to the cross

But if you think andres is town...

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm sad because I knew Fua was pr and if they weren't night killed I could have been like "I kill Fua for being a PR but I didn't so I'm town"

You don't want to actually talk about the content that's just happened? Just useless self-image stuff?

Yea

Like how you changed your profile picture

kek

[Almost50]

Why would we flip Andres instead of just the other two

To pin them both to the cross

But if you think andres is town...

I don't. I have him as a null read. I am just questioning HV's attitude, and giving him the benefit of doubt. If Andres flips red them JV is (a) spot on with the read; thus likely Town, and (b) wasn't really fishing for PR claims. That -of course- doesn't change anything about ssbm.

If Andres flips green, then JV does look like he has been pushing away from the ssbm wagon.

[Dwlee99]

I'd rather not flip andres