Newbie 2083: Viae Romanae - End!

[Val89]

Mbot, I've come out to defend you against the charge that your reads are shallow, because I thought the slots making that argument were doing so from a scummy place, given they were largely responsible for the low-info state in which those reads were made, and the fact I thought making an attempt to do so anyway come off townie.

I do have to ask myself now, however, with 21 hours to go; what the hell are you doing voting

fixer

here?

[Val89]

So let me get this straight Koba: You said your read on kyouko (now T3) is the most and best explained read in this whole game.

That's not quite right, kenny.

i literally fucking explained my read on yeezys and its the most explained read in the whole game

I do agree with the sentiment - the explaination of the read on yeezys was pretty underwhelming, but at Koba has been clear that their T3 read is based on the fact they have a good record reading the previous occupant of the slot via 'vibes', and are leaning on that despite the replacement. I also think that's not particulary satisifying either; it might do for Koba, but to expect the rest of us to take that at face value?

Let's not get the two mixed up, though, because they are two different issues.

[DkKoba]

If it isnt clear atp im hardclaimed vt

I dont claim vt as scum if im run up on d1 so if you want to get a free town elim vote me atp but otherwise yep

[DkKoba]

val if you're actually reconsidering like it seems like youre doing then try voting with me (:

[DkKoba]

• Re:Andresvmb
  
• Lowest poster
  
• Never voted
  
• On 2 E-2 wagons

To add one thing to those statements: On 2 E-2-wagons as the second vote.

Each time followed by ssbm_Kyouko (T3)

Too bad no one seems to care about this.

I checked the ISO on them multiple times and waited with bated breath for the post that they were going to make "later" but it never came. I figured they may be replaces soon so didn't want to waste energy there if they weren't going to be active. My thoughts are that lurking scum would at least post nonsense to stay in the game?

scum lurk out all the time. But for andres its NAI afaik bc it happens to him as town

[Val89]

val if you're actually reconsidering like it seems like youre doing then try voting with me (:

I admit I might be second guessing myself here with that deadline looming, but given how scummy I've found your play so far, you are going to have to give me something to work with.

"yeah fuck it" just isn't going to cut it here, and you should know that.

[MBot]

I appreciate it Val! I dont actually need a white knight because, well, i haven't been scummy. I'm kool with pressure because thats how we engage and get better reads when we have absolutely nothing to go off of. I had my vote on Fixer and left it there until I could get better vibes than my gut feeling from 426. I've been back and forth with not wanting to vote Koba because I really can't decide if they're just a PIA or scummy. A lot of the pushing and responses have been anti town but not necessarily solid scum.

[yeezys]

koba do you not know what "a life outside the internet" is ???
like sorry for not being able to get back to you but i think there's been a pattern of people talkign to me and me being unable to get back immediately, so don't start getting pissed when it doesnt take me three seconds to whip up a reply.
i'm real busy, and i can't juggle schoolwork, extracurriculars, and people on the internet as well i could in the past few months
@ffery, can i do the v/la thing for 11/16 - 11/19?
ill be active afterwards.

[DkKoba]

koba do you not know what "a life outside the internet" is ???
like sorry for not being able to get back to you but i think there's been a pattern of people talkign to me and me being unable to get back immediately, so don't start getting pissed when it doesnt take me three seconds to whip up a reply.
i'm real busy, and i can't juggle schoolwork, extracurriculars, and people on the internet as well i could in the past few months
@ffery, can i do the v/la thing for 11/16 - 11/19?
ill be active afterwards.

deadline is literally in 24 hours so excuse me?

[DkKoba]

I appreciate it Val! I dont actually need a white knight because, well, i haven't been scummy. I'm kool with pressure because thats how we engage and get better reads when we have absolutely nothing to go off of. I had my vote on Fixer and left it there until I could get better vibes than my gut feeling from 426. I've been back and forth with not wanting to vote Koba because I really can't decide if they're just a PIA or scummy. A lot of the pushing and responses have been anti town but not necessarily solid scum.

entitled mason syndrome

[Val89]

Have your thoughts on the kenny wagon changed any since 499, MBot?

I didn't realise how close we find ourselves to deadline yet again until the last vote count, and your vote stood out on it, given that fixer is on V/LA and has been for the last couple of days.

It looks to me like the deadline will expire before the prod-timer does if Andres doesn't respond, so I have to direct the same question to Looker, too. Those votes aren't doing anything right now, and I don't want to sleepwalk into a nolim through apathy. I can't guarentee I will be around much after this evening, and if we are going to look elsewhere, then we are going to need to see something convincing to justify doing so, and soon.

I for one aren't comfortable limming Andres on the basis of what has been presented so far without them having had a chance to respond. It sucks they have absented themselves at such a moment, but that's where I am.

[yeezys]

koba do you not know what "a life outside the internet" is ???
like sorry for not being able to get back to you but i think there's been a pattern of people talkign to me and me being unable to get back immediately, so don't start getting pissed when it doesnt take me three seconds to whip up a reply.
i'm real busy, and i can't juggle schoolwork, extracurriculars, and people on the internet as well i could in the past few months
@ffery, can i do the v/la thing for 11/16 - 11/19?
ill be active afterwards.

deadline is literally in 24 hours so excuse me?

koba i literally have a life outside the internet and internet people,

please.

[MBot]

Another thing Koba is wrong about. I'm not a mason. Trying to out masons is complete BS as town and you've tried it a number of times with different people. Why would you be pushing to throw town in front of a bus? I know better than to engage. I really do. But I can't wrap my head around the BS plays. I would actually be ok with voting them at this point even if they flip town.

Val, I'm not feeling the Kenny wagon. I agreed with many of their posts. I may be wrong but their scum hunting has a genuine feel to it. I'd be more willing to put a vote on T3 or Looker ( based on the floating may vibes) than Kenny.

[Looker]

Spoiler: @kennyk

Hello to all and let's have some fun here.

And a special hello to ssbm_Kyouko. Happy scumday!

And to get things started I

VOTE: floatingmay

With a name like that you don't need roads. So you clearly must be scum.

And while I wrote this whole thing I did make up my mind and want to go a step further.

VOTE: DkKoba

As the day is slowly ending we need to get rid of someone. I still believe floatingmay could be scum. But as no one else seems to be willing to follow my argumentation, let's get to a more promissing but also shady target.

I don't think you found scum within your first post of the game. I think it was more of a convenient park.

• DkKoba
  
• kennyk:
  Spoiler: DkKoba fakeclaimed mason

  i nearly always fakeclaim mason as a joke it isn't AI and i can link several games where i do so
  
  any PR worth their salt would ignore it and if Val is a PR then

  This gets you down on my readlist to at least null (if not worse).
  
  After reading the folling post, I did exactly as you suggest; I ignored the mason claim.

  VOTE: Kyouko
  
  voting my (future) mason partner

  Especially in the context of post 8 it was nothing more than a joke to me. But later on your behaviour made me rethink this evaluation as it was, at least in my mind, only possible if you actually were a mason. All the secretiveness about knowing certain things about certain another player just lead in this direction.
  
  Obviously fakeclaiming in post 1 is very fine with me but continuing to behave like the PR and when prompted to it denying it alltogether is a whole different story.
  
  And while I wrote this whole thing I did make up my mind and want to go a step further.
  
  VOTE: DkKoba
  
  As the day is slowly ending we need to get rid of someone. I still believe floatingmay could be scum. But as no one else seems to be willing to follow my argumentation, let's get to a more promissing but also shady target.

  
  
• yeezys:
  Spoiler: ???

  So yes an explaination is very much wanted here becsuse you're definitely using other faulty logic if its outside that

  i'm writing it koba so stop shielding t3

  was gonna make a nice, long post explainign my scumreads but in the end the only way i can justify voting noah is "vibes" and also "fuck you"

  VOTE: DkKoba
  it appears that i have a higher chance of getting at least one scum member voted out today if i vote koba
  sorry, koba
  but then again? no i'm not sorry

  i'll respond 2 this later bcz i don't really have time right now!!! if you're scum, please vote youself, and if you're town, stop being antitown and screwing us over, please. your reasons for scumreading mbot are bullshitand claiming me and val are masons is ??????????????? sorry but what was the logic you used to get to that conclusion how would you scumlean your mason partner and why would you have them in your poe also tell t3 to stop shielding you and stop shielding him

  
  
• Val89:
  Spoiler: T3 doesn't have enough votes

  I'm still not sure which of the two between T3 and Koba I think are more likely to flip scum, if it's not both.
  
  I read "I can refute that as NAI at best" (whatever that is, I take it to mean the anti-town playstyle) as a dog whistle for 'I play like a troll in all my games, so it's easy to get away with as scum', which I feel also kinda describes T3 too, to some degree - except I've seen him promise not to play in such a manner recently, and I've no handle on Koba in that vein. That's the only real tie break I have given they appear to be tying their fates together hard and I'm not convinced a scumteam would do so so publicly and so early - it's more likely I feel there is one scum in the pair.
  
  That said, it looks like I have a better chance of actually forcing Koba to give us something with which we can actually try and sort them if I switch back there. My vanity vote on T3 doesn't appear to be achieving much with not a whole lot of time left.
  
  VOTE: DkKoba

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• kennyk
  
• T3:
  Spoiler: MBot is town

  I'm the one who said Koba is too ballsy to be scum and I'm now stuck second guessing myself from the recent WTF posts. Anyone who pressures Koba of tries to redirect towards better options for D1 than what they say must be scum though? Ain't nobody got time to read past games. Or maybe some do but I care about getting a town win. You should too. No one other than possible masons have a confirmed town read at this point.

  ^townpost
  VOTE: kenny

  
  
• DkKoba:
  Spoiler: ???

  and if you're masons with mbot then fucking lol just fucking claim it because you might as well have broadcasted it to the whole world based on how you're playing
  
  i dont care that im outting you because your play is bad here and it doesnt catch scum.

  yeah fuck it VOTE: kenny
  
  you can continue to have ur pet push just remember who carried u this game

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It's pretty difficult to see who's voting who for what reasons.

@yeezys - Why are you voting DkKoba?
@DkKoba - Why are you voting kennyk?

[Looker]

Spoiler: @kennyk

Hello to all and let's have some fun here.

And a special hello to ssbm_Kyouko. Happy scumday!

And to get things started I

VOTE: floatingmay

With a name like that you don't need roads. So you clearly must be scum.

And while I wrote this whole thing I did make up my mind and want to go a step further.

VOTE: DkKoba

As the day is slowly ending we need to get rid of someone. I still believe floatingmay could be scum. But as no one else seems to be willing to follow my argumentation, let's get to a more promissing but also shady target.

I don't think you found scum within your first post of the game. I think it was more of a convenient park.

• DkKoba
  
• kennyk:
  Spoiler: DkKoba fakeclaimed mason

  i nearly always fakeclaim mason as a joke it isn't AI and i can link several games where i do so
  
  any PR worth their salt would ignore it and if Val is a PR then

  This gets you down on my readlist to at least null (if not worse).
  
  After reading the folling post, I did exactly as you suggest; I ignored the mason claim.

  VOTE: Kyouko
  
  voting my (future) mason partner

  Especially in the context of post 8 it was nothing more than a joke to me. But later on your behaviour made me rethink this evaluation as it was, at least in my mind, only possible if you actually were a mason. All the secretiveness about knowing certain things about certain another player just lead in this direction.
  
  Obviously fakeclaiming in post 1 is very fine with me but continuing to behave like the PR and when prompted to it denying it alltogether is a whole different story.
  
  And while I wrote this whole thing I did make up my mind and want to go a step further.
  
  VOTE: DkKoba
  
  As the day is slowly ending we need to get rid of someone. I still believe floatingmay could be scum. But as no one else seems to be willing to follow my argumentation, let's get to a more promissing but also shady target.

  
  
• yeezys:
  Spoiler: ???

  So yes an explaination is very much wanted here becsuse you're definitely using other faulty logic if its outside that

  i'm writing it koba so stop shielding t3

  was gonna make a nice, long post explainign my scumreads but in the end the only way i can justify voting noah is "vibes" and also "fuck you"

  VOTE: DkKoba
  it appears that i have a higher chance of getting at least one scum member voted out today if i vote koba
  sorry, koba
  but then again? no i'm not sorry

  i'll respond 2 this later bcz i don't really have time right now!!! if you're scum, please vote youself, and if you're town, stop being antitown and screwing us over, please. your reasons for scumreading mbot are bullshitand claiming me and val are masons is ??????????????? sorry but what was the logic you used to get to that conclusion how would you scumlean your mason partner and why would you have them in your poe also tell t3 to stop shielding you and stop shielding him

  
  
• Val89:
  Spoiler: T3 doesn't have enough votes

  I'm still not sure which of the two between T3 and Koba I think are more likely to flip scum, if it's not both.
  
  I read "I can refute that as NAI at best" (whatever that is, I take it to mean the anti-town playstyle) as a dog whistle for 'I play like a troll in all my games, so it's easy to get away with as scum', which I feel also kinda describes T3 too, to some degree - except I've seen him promise not to play in such a manner recently, and I've no handle on Koba in that vein. That's the only real tie break I have given they appear to be tying their fates together hard and I'm not convinced a scumteam would do so so publicly and so early - it's more likely I feel there is one scum in the pair.
  
  That said, it looks like I have a better chance of actually forcing Koba to give us something with which we can actually try and sort them if I switch back there. My vanity vote on T3 doesn't appear to be achieving much with not a whole lot of time left.
  
  VOTE: DkKoba

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• kennyk
  
• T3:
  Spoiler: MBot is town

  I'm the one who said Koba is too ballsy to be scum and I'm now stuck second guessing myself from the recent WTF posts. Anyone who pressures Koba of tries to redirect towards better options for D1 than what they say must be scum though? Ain't nobody got time to read past games. Or maybe some do but I care about getting a town win. You should too. No one other than possible masons have a confirmed town read at this point.

  ^townpost
  VOTE: kenny

  
  
• DkKoba:
  Spoiler: ???

  and if you're masons with mbot then fucking lol just fucking claim it because you might as well have broadcasted it to the whole world based on how you're playing
  
  i dont care that im outting you because your play is bad here and it doesnt catch scum.

  yeah fuck it VOTE: kenny
  
  you can continue to have ur pet push just remember who carried u this game

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It's pretty difficult to see who's voting who for what reasons.

@yeezys - Why are you voting DkKoba?
@DkKoba - Why are you voting kennyk?

[Looker]

O, there's two. Interesting.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-13

As well constructed as Roman roads were, sometimes the signs outlast the roads.

DkKoba

(3): kennyk, yeezys, Val89

kennyk

(2): T3, DkKoba

fixer

(1): MBot

MBot

(1): Andresvmb

Andresvmb

(1): Looker

Not Voting

(1): fixer

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: Nov. 17 Noon US Eastern Time

Countdown: (expired on 2021-11-17 09:00:00)


Mod Notes:

yeezys is v/la

-

[Andresvmb]

I was completely sheeping Koba with my vote btw. Now I actually have some time I’ll catch up really quick.

[kennyk]

So let me get this straight Koba: You said your read on kyouko (now T3) is the most and best explained read in this whole game.

That's not quite right, kenny.

i literally fucking explained my read on yeezys and its the most explained read in the whole game

I do agree with the sentiment - the explaination of the read on yeezys was pretty underwhelming, but at Koba has been clear that their T3 read is based on the fact they have a good record reading the previous occupant of the slot via 'vibes', and are leaning on that despite the replacement. I also think that's not particulary satisifying either; it might do for Koba, but to expect the rest of us to take that at face value?

Let's not get the two mixed up, though, because they are two different issues.

You are absolutely right. I somehow mixed up the "most explained read" in my head. I really thought I remembered it being on the T3 slot. I take that part of my post back. Bit the rest stands as is.

[kennyk]

Spoiler: I don't want to get this to long

• Re:Andresvmb
  
• Lowest poster
  
• Never voted
  
• On 2 E-2 wagons

To add one thing to those statements: On 2 E-2-wagons as the second vote.

Each time followed by ssbm_Kyouko (T3)

Too bad no one seems to care about this.

I checked the ISO on them multiple times and waited with bated breath for the post that they were going to make "later" but it never came. I figured they may be replaces soon so didn't want to waste energy there if they weren't going to be active. My thoughts are that lurking scum would at least post nonsense to stay in the game?

scum lurk out all the time. But for andres its NAI afaik bc it happens to him as town[/quote]
I agree that not posting is the reason for my suspicion. It is the vote that came out of nowhere with no explanation.

[kennyk]

koba do you not know what "a life outside the internet" is ???
like sorry for not being able to get back to you but i think there's been a pattern of people talkign to me and me being unable to get back immediately, so don't start getting pissed when it doesnt take me three seconds to whip up a reply.
i'm real busy, and i can't juggle schoolwork, extracurriculars, and people on the internet as well i could in the past few months
@ffery, can i do the v/la thing for 11/16 - 11/19?
ill be active afterwards.

Not yet married but already the stress about not responding properly beginns

[Looker]

I was completely sheeping Koba with my vote btw. Now I actually have some time I’ll catch up really quick.

We still have four hours to hold him accountable for empty promises

[Looker]

And Fixer's V/LA is over, right?

[kennyk]

And Fixer's V/LA is over, right?

If I may quote the last but one votecount: Fixer is v/la until evening of 11/16. So this is a yes to your question.

[kennyk]

I was completely sheeping Koba with my vote btw. Now I actually have some time I’ll catch up really quick.

We still have four hours to hold him accountable for empty promises

I guess we would be lucky if we manage to elim anyone today. And I don't think we'll get that many people to switch over to Andres. But we should at least try to focus them on D2 if nothing of a higher priority happens N1.