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[DArby]

N_M making an actual read? In this ecomony? It's more likely than you think.

[DArby]

Who thinks there still is a traitor, and why?

I am erring on the side of there being two scum left but I don't think we should preoccupy ourselves with thinking whether one of them is traitor. I don't want there to be a situation where we avoid yeeting someone just because we think they're traitor and want the game to end quicker, because that's when you just end up yeeting town and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

My line of thinking is that I'd want to figure out associations given 2 out of the 4 other slots are scum in some way. If I have an idea of that, then I could work on a solve state.

The next few irl days are going to be hectic for obvious reasons, so I'll start tonight and pick up more Friday.

[Save The Dragons]

does scum really come into this thread not dunking on me

[Save The Dragons]

N_M can you talk to me more about DArby

Darby what does your scumgame look like

[DArby]

N_M can you talk to me more about DArby

Darby what does your scumgame look like

Ironically enough, my only completed scum game ended a few hours ago.

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[DArby]

My scum game would be less stupid than my current play, I'd like to think.

[LicketyQuickety]

I’ll make this short. Koba, I expect you to engage with this after the game.

984

Spoiler:

I have a question. How would you have played the game any different if you were Scum? Because I don’t think you would have. So, your manipulative nature just means I never have any reason to actually trust anything you say. I will break it down exceptionally easy for people to grasp:

1. Koba plays manipulative as both Town and Scum.
   
2. Koba’s Town and Scum game are or are nearly identical.
   
3. Koba’s Town game would NOT be identical to their Scum game if they were not manipulative as Town.
   
4. Koba has the ability to not be manipulative as that is something all humans know how to do.
   
5. Therefore, Koba plays Scummy on purpose as Town in order to up their Scum game.

I made my case against you. You said you would engage with it, but you never did. I believe my case on you was accurate. The only reason why my case was bad is because you happened to have a Town role PM, but that doesn’t mean my case on you was not accurate, it just means you happened to be Town this game. I say that because you would have played the exact same if you happened to have a Scum role PM. Prove me wrong on this.

Explain 987 to me, because it doesn’t make any sense from a Town PoV. I say this because later in the Day, you said NM was not Scum. But NM never posted D3, so I’m at a loss in how you drew the conclusion that NM was not Scum. Your vote there also doesn’t line up with your D1 play irt Why and NM as per 62. This is one reason why I think you play Scummy as Town on purpose in order to up your Scum game. Out of your original PoE of [StD, T3, NM] you said you were most sure NM was Town. But NM didn’t post a single time in D3 so I have no idea how you are changing your read here. Please explain this.
Also, it is absolutely laughable that you expect anyone to believe that you never NK in the PoE. It would require going through your entire Scum history and seeing who was in the PoE at all points before all EoDs in those games and you provided exactly ZERO evidence for this claim. It’s posts like this that tell me you are playing Scummy on purpose. It’s posts like this that I absolutely hate with every fiber of my being.

And if I had to guess, I would say you have a principle of never telling the whole truth as Town. I think you always lie in all your posts in one way, shape, or form as Town. If I’m wrong about this, I expect you to tell me this bluntly.

1220
“people who don't want to be 100% honest

all the time as town

”
You are never honest as Town. That’s what you are saying here.

I just don’t think you displayed any emotions in the game that you would not have displayed if you were actually Scum. I think you play up the emotions as both alignments and that you are not genuine with your emotions as Town or as Scum, hence, I don’t feel bad about Limming you D3. Here are some examples:
985 Are we to believe you never bus in this situation? Please go on why we should think so.
1004 Don’t kid yourself. You did this to yourself with how Scummy your meta is. And the worst part is because you are so good at manipulating people, you are fully capable of changing your meta, but you don’t because you WANTED this to happen. You WANTED to get Limmed D3 to help your Scum game.

1358 You’re so full of it! Give me one good reason why I should believe ANYTHING you say when you pull this kind of thing? Also, you self-hammered before T3 does anything or NM even posted once in the Day. Please explain this to me because it doesn’t make any sense.

1395 is incredibly dishonest. My whole case on you was based on facts and logic. You never engaged with me on my case. You literally cannot blame me for SRing you. I made a case – based on facts and logic – and you never engaged with me on it.
Clearly, facts and logic scare me? Who would ever believe this? AND! What was purpose of this? Does this post even serve a purpose? Is it so I can read it after you flip and feel bad?
The post serves zero purpose because you didn’t engage with me on my case on you based on facts and logic. I wasn’t even that biased against you in my case against you. I was just basically saying what I was seeing. And my case on you would be right in most circumstances, but facts and logic don’t work to read you. I cannot use any reliable method of reading you that I have in my toolbelt because my reads all hinge on players being disingenuous and you are disingenuous as both Town and Scum because you are a compulsive liar.

1132 That is the worst response you could have given me if you were anywhere in the ballpark of wanting to work with your TRs. You know how I would have handled this if I was in your shoes? I would have said, “DArby is Town for X, Y, Z reasons.” That would have cleared it up right away, but no. This is the reason you are literally unreadable – because there is so much that you could say that you don’t say. I mean, I know what you are going to say, “You wouldn’t believe me even if I explained it.” Well, that’s only true because you are the one who set the precedent that you never explain things straight-up. In fact, if you would all of a sudden start explaining what you

should

be explaining, then I would catch on pretty quick that you’re acting in good faith toward me. But you continue to post stuff like this all the time or just don’t respond to things at all so I have no reason to TR you when you are Town.

Given all this, I can smell the stench a mile away of you are wetting your chops in how much you getting MisLimmed here is going to help your Scum game.
Most people who play this game go in with the assumption that you tell the truth as Town and as Scum the best thing you can do is disguise your lies to look like the truth. Not you though. You literally lie as Town in the hopes your honesty as Scum will help your Scum game.
You quite literally are going against the spirit of the game. You lie as Town and tell the truth as Scum. You are never open and honest as Town. That’s your secret and I am exposing it for everyone.

You know you are Scummy when you play as Town, but you don’t do anything to play any less Scummy as Town knowing this. So, it is because of the this, I’m still blacklisting you. You’ve been banished from playing with me. I expect you to respect this with your alts as well. I don’t feel bad about Limming you and I would do it again in a heartbeat.

Koba is RC.

Have a good rest of your life - without me.

Spoiler:

Kindred of Infinity
Existing together
Eternally apart
Dispersed in the wailing wind
Separated at birth
Eternally apart
Clay surrounds hearts
Even thicker than the depth of the earth
Eternally apart

Endless bodies like the seas and the skies (Seas and the skies)
Are sooner to converge than you and I collide

We exist together while eternally apart
How vast the distance between who we are
Eternally apart

Bond severed, an impassable chasm
A mystery to man
Circling the universe in tandem
Just out of reach
Out of reach

Because we beat upon on a wall
Instead of the door
There is no answer
Are we destined to be on our own

Endless bodies like the seas and the skies
Are sooner to converge than you and I collide

Miles of night lay between twin stars (Endless bodies like the seas and the skies)
Are we only truly seen from afar (Are sooner to converge than you and I collide)

We exist together while eternally apart
How vast the distance between who we are
We exist together while eternally apart
How vast the distance between who we are
Eternally apart

Kindred of Infinity
We are, we are eternally apart

[DArby]

That was so messy in a clean way. Props to you LQ.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm leaning DARby/NM as the last Scum.

What do you think of that StD?

[DArby]

I'm the backup 2 shot detective. I don't think the role serves me any use other than to claim atp.

Engage with me how you will.

[Save The Dragons]

i think i'm currently at

Scum

N_M
Egix
LQ
Darby

Town

but all options are on the table since this day didn't go how i thought it might

[Save The Dragons]

actually that claim bothers me a bit

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, today is the day we mass claim so...

[LicketyQuickety]

N_M making an actual read? In this ecomony? It's more likely than you think.

StD, this is why I think DArby could be Scum with NM. Because DArby doesn't think for a second that it could mean NM is Scum based on NM making an actual read.

[DArby]

N_M making an actual read? In this ecomony? It's more likely than you think.

StD, this is why I think DArby could be Scum with NM. Because DArby doesn't think for a second that it could mean NM is Scum based on NM making an actual read.

It was more of a shitpost than an actual post.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't know that he's implying N_M is scum or town with that post though.

[DArby]

actually that claim bothers me a bit

Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

i don't know that he's implying N_M is scum or town with that post though.

Exactly.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't know that he's implying N_M is scum or town with that post though.

Exactly.

i'm not following

[LicketyQuickety]

i don't know that he's implying N_M is scum or town with that post though.

Exactly.

i'm not following

I can ISO DArby but I'm pretty sure they have been silent on NM?

[Save The Dragons]

actually that claim bothers me a bit

Why?

it seems like a weird role to have in this setup? i dunno it's a pretty safe fake claim if you're scum that sounds legit it's got my hackles raised a bit

[Save The Dragons]

i don't know that he's implying N_M is scum or town with that post though.

Exactly.

i'm not following

I can ISO DArby but I'm pretty sure they have been silent on NM?

i think darby was on the "policy" lim of why at one point

[Save The Dragons]

i think the three of us all had our blinders on yesterday

i threw out a t3 read that in hindsight is obviously bunk

i think people threw out a couple of haphazard reads but a lot of this game was arguing with pan

[LicketyQuickety]

Darby what are your reads outside of my slot?

Light tr on NM and Egix.

Why is NM Town at this point?

Pan, if you said it before I missed it, but what is your town case for NM?

Asks about why NM is Town.

I'll probably end up voting you anyway, and NM will hammer.

Those are pretty much the only places NM shows up in DArby's ISO prior to today. I might have missed one though.

It’s between you and NM for sure.

I'm waiting to see where you vote DArby

For the record, knowing what I know now, I do not regret d3’s lem, especially if this is a NM troll game.

Why do you think NM is orchestrating things as some kind of mastermind? More to the point, what does Limming Koba have to do with NM?

Also, in the most aggravated way possible I enjoy NM as a game mechanic. It’s both frustrating yet predictable in what he’ll offer town. That’s a controlled variable.

Still can't wait to see if you vote NM here.

[Not_Mafia]

N_M making an actual read? In this ecomony? It's more likely than you think.

The drama made me pay

some

attention