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[T3]

Brain says you speaking a lot townie
But also your depth in your posts and clear care in parsing what people say is +town

I also prefer to bin people bringing wim to the table in a positive way in the town pile :p

Wim?

Ok. Uhh that makes sense I guess.

I bs honest now.

I'm anxious about you. Gut feels werid. I need to read that old George badly branded game we played because I think I felt the same there here. We play diggers. No real base logically yet that is like makes sense.

Town read

Makes my dumb brain more anxious. Like rat.

Basically

Bleed town please

Like physically bleed and submit it for t3sting.

I’m not sure what to make of this post.

[Wright and Justice]

remember they were high as fuck when he wrote it

[pirate mollie]

And your posts in our hood are pretty scummy.

Can you please elaborate more on this?

Tldr, we are talking a lot and asking a lot of questions.
After some thought it doesnt feel like mollie wants to honestly engage with us and i took a look at a past town game and rhey are perfectly able to be cooperative and reasonable.

They didn't ask you, they asked me.

Do not answer questions that are directed to me, especially when you know full well I am in the process of building a case against you.

@Facebones

I will answer you in a separate post, once I catch up in this game.

[Wright and Justice]

You shouldn't need to catch up via the question they asked.
Its a question about our hood which youve ignored since claiming our hood in an anti town way.

[Wright and Justice]

"Can you ellaborate on what posts in the hood were scummy?"
Mollie: " i need to catch up in the thread before i answer "(stalling tactic)
VOTE: mollie

[Wright and Justice]

You're trying to avoid any and all questions about your thought process or being less than vague trying to bury me via brute force of baiting me to engage via defensiveness and shut me down. It wont work on me.

Answer their questions.

[pirate mollie]

Maybe I am having a ridiculous expectation of your townplay, but it seems to me right about now

town!you would be worried about town!eliminations at this point

Worried about town!eliminations at this point?
This point is still VERY early on D1.
They should be trying to class people as either town or mafia

How can they be worried about town!elims if they don't know who's town?

They would be worried about town!lims if they were town and I was scumhunting them, especially when they know they fucked up in our hood. I will be getting to that.

[pirate mollie]

Spoiler: FM post spoilered for length of quote chain

Why not wait? Im impatient as a player. I like to speak my mind.
I'd appreciate the shade for what is just informimg you of the meta of a difficult to read player to be dropped btw. I was trying to prevent a state where the conversation starts revolving around t3 and i dont think thats useful ever esp on d1.

So what you are trying to do is steer the game. Right?

Yes I am - that is my MO as town pretty much always especially in setups I know and playerlists I feel comfortable with.

Can you explain why you think outting the FN is acceptable on d1? Thats what you want according to your push here.
I never suggested.that hoods never out but that people actually push their hoodmate if they think something is up.
You're not reading my whole post amd just looking at small specific points.
Again - i can happily link you to me treating this setup the same last year *as town*
And nobody here has played with me that time so i could have pretended that game doesnt exist and push hoods to claim.

1. You try to steer the game as town, I'll give you that. You did it in the game I played with you. But...who do you know in this playerlist? Because you asked

me

in our hood, but never answered yourself. And apparently, you do know a lot of people.

What an interesting thing to refrain from sharing, especially since you are flexing who you do know in the game threa

d. Also...were you the friendly neighbor in that game? I haven't looked it up.
2. Okay. Well I am pushing you.
3. What post are you referring to?
4. There is a difference in self meta as scum, compared to self meta as town. It is an unconscious tell, where people focus more on

what

they did, and not

why

they did it or the strategy and thinking process behind it.
5. Why would you refer to the game exclusively as town, and not as scum? As scum, you have 1 game as town where you used a specific strategy and won it. It would be silly not to self-vet this as scum.

And you are not silly, from my limited experience. You played fantastic as town, I can see you easily suggesting this strategy as scum

.

And you have pinged all over the place in our hood, I mean, where do I start

.

Wright and Justice vs FM feels like SvS ironically to me

This may be an absolutely dumb ass question, but if ya are in a hood, why are you also directly arguing with eachother here? It be better spent trying to illustrate to us why the other member is scum instead of taking pot shots at eachother. Not to mention also just lead to more interactions.

Anyways back to the SvS thing. The whole conversation has an artifical vibe of hostility around it. I fully can accept that a TvT interaction this early in D1 could be anger filled too, but the way its being done here doesn't collide with that. Normally when TvT's fight its more explosive and natural. Here, it seems more passive and forced from the lens of an outsider to their pt.

For example with the quoted post, i can agree with some of the logic (4, 5) but its presented with that tonal issues as seen in the colored sections(apologies to anyone colorblind):

Red: vague language; insulates that it's 'interesting' yet what does that even mean in the context of leading the thread? I feel if you think their withdraw from stating who they played with is scummy, then that has some implications regarding their interactions with people like T3. Yet that isn't explored in favor of just prodding that it's strange.

Green: completely throw away part of message. Virtue signals scummy behavior to the rest of us without actual contextulzing it. Tonal wise is in contrast to the thing above it in yellow. Yellow comment is pushing the narrative that Wright is clever enough to munch off past game credibility, yet green shows a carelessness implied from slipping a bunch in their pt. Therefore I don't really follow what picture FM has overall.


Obviously if their hood claim is true, which seems a given, then it can really only be TvS. I quoted FM, but I have some of the same issues with Wright and Justice too. Just don't have time rn to go in detail.

Thoughts? Is my metric wrong or does it make sense?

bookmarking this

[innocentvillager]

There seems to be a concerted effort to dodge and deflect from mollie and IV and while that's usually too easy to be the solution I'm taking the occams razor approach of that mollie is trying to defend a teammate.

please explain where i dodged and deflected wtf??

[Wright and Justice]

Maybe I am having a ridiculous expectation of your townplay, but it seems to me right about now

town!you would be worried about town!eliminations at this point

Worried about town!eliminations at this point?
This point is still VERY early on D1.
They should be trying to class people as either town or mafia

How can they be worried about town!elims if they don't know who's town?

They would be worried about town!lims if they were town and I was scumhunting them, especially when they know they fucked up in our hood. I will be getting to that.

Oh PLEASE tell us where you think we "realized we fucked up".
I'm *very* curious since i have view into the hood and i dont see any of what you are claiming.

[Wright and Justice]

There seems to be a concerted effort to dodge and deflect from mollie and IV and while that's usually too easy to be the solution I'm taking the occams razor approach of that mollie is trying to defend a teammate.

please explain where i dodged and deflected wtf??

Well with andres cc that you arent hood partners with them - that puts a wrench in it.

You kept avoiding talking about why you did what you did when andres was not your scumread but now its more complicated than that.

[innocentvillager]

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

i was talking to gamma in that post and ive played with both scum and town gamma - he was lurky and active as both alignments at various times. that's all im saying

im voting your slot rn bc i can tbh and i don't really have any read on you rn despite how much you've posted already. your insistence on me playing to my scum meta is rly weird too and having a confident read on me at this stage is bizarre especially when it's wrong

[innocentvillager]

note that bizarre/wrong doesn't mean i think you're scum necessarily just worth parking my vote here rn, also im more of a PoE type player anyway so not that many things scum ping me, etc etc

[Wright and Justice]

posts in order:
*pregame*
My main egos the thread
Gamma egos the thread
I post a blank post to.test sig being enabled (it was pregame)
I ask mollie to explain what they think of the playerlist and how they plan their approach to them as a way to get solving started .
Mollies first post is a joke about policying gamma(a refernce to a recent game apparently)
Then they quote our question to them and ask which head was taking to them->then ask us how we're doing while describing something about their day and make a comment about how thie game is a useful distraction

I'll do more later but thats when i started having pings on mollie

[innocentvillager]

You kept avoiding talking about why you did what you did when andres was not your scumread but now its more complicated than that.

im still not relaly sure what you're talking about but okay

yes my "hood slip" was a joke if that's the dodge you're referring to

and andres was never my scumread so im not sure where u got that

[Wright and Justice]

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

i was talking to gamma in that post and ive played with both scum and town gamma - he was lurky and active as both alignments at various times. that's all im saying

im voting your slot rn bc i can tbh and i don't really have any read on you rn despite how much you've posted already. your insistence on me playing to my scum meta is rly weird too and having a confident read on me at this stage is bizarre especially when it's wrong

Ok lets approach this differently - why do you think you're *not* playing to scum.meta?

Early confidence is very normal for me btw - right or wrong.

[Wright and Justice]

Well claiming hoods in this setup is very anti town so thats why i was very much on top of it as i had said.not to do it on page 1

[Wright and Justice]

If you're outting a hood with someone- it implies you are scumreading that person to me because of the risk of doing so should you be wrong

[pirate mollie]

I think they are scummy for reasons outside of how they are reading me and it is precisely because of the way they are parsing my slot i think they have viability to be town - now

How about IV?

So your whole big plan for a town!win is to try to get people to out whether or not they are in a hood, even though you said that this was not a good idea because it might inadvertently out the friendly neighbor?

Are you really going to fish for the FN in the open? lmao

[Wright and Justice]

Dont pretend to care about FN fishing when you casually claimed hood and wanted to push "hoods need to be open because scum hiding!" Line.

[Wright and Justice]

Your accusation is disgenuous as it relies on blatant lies. Because nowhere have i even remotely tried to out anyone's hood status.

[innocentvillager]

sure i will play along with the don't claim hoods thing i don't see a good reason not to

Ok lets approach this differently - why do you think you're *not* playing to scum.meta?

i don't really think im readable yet ive had some shitposts and argued about some things i think are just not true, both of which are things i do as both alignments

and it's helpful to know early confidence is a thing for you

question for u how does scum!you approach this day different from what you're doing here? i get the sense that you're a powerwolf type player that wants to control everything early but i haven't played with u so idrk.

[innocentvillager]

im almost wondering if you were trying to fish for the status of me and andres's neighborhood? like before you jumped to conclusions and assumed i claimed our neighborhood 100% and came at me it was pretty unclear if there's a neighborhood between us？and now after youve forced all this discussion it's probably less likely than normal that we share a hood

[Wright and Justice]

No the fuck i didnt.
I assumed it was a true claim becuase im autistic and took it at face value
Fuck you if you think i thought it was a joke becsuse it was *not* clearly a joke to me

[Wright and Justice]

I was considering your hood real.and my fucking push on you askkng why you outted it wjth a null read on andees should be proof that was my thought process not whatever garbage about "fishing hood status".

Would you not fucking think its scummy for a neighbor to claim with anything above a scumread? Because i do.