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[pirate mollie]

Hey y'all

what's up

[pirate mollie]

OK first things first

DONT CLAIM IF YOU HAVE A HOOD OR YOUR HOOD PARTNER UNLESS YOU ARE AT RISK OF ELIMINATION

Second of all - if you are the friendly water spirit or whatever GB has called the friendly neighbor this game - DONT PLAY LIKE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SELF CLEAR - it is a bad strategy. Play to

roleswap

- and to the townies who have hoods -

BE OPEN TO ROLESWAP.

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Third thing:

SORT IN YOUR HOOD IF YOU HAVE ONE.

Don't let it go to waste. Grill your hoodmate. You want to either be able to turn that shit into a masonry or find a scum within in. Don't let it go to waste. Don't make it obvious you have a hood either - make sure to mirror your pushes within the game too.
4th thing: THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT YOU DONT SEE - so dont be alarmed that someone might have a read that seems TMI on 1 other person, or has seemingly jarring progression! It's just entirely possible they sorted within their hood! There are 4 hoods in this game - remember that!

dumping this for start of game c/p here

this is a terrible idea to play hood games btw. This is a micro, not a large, the game thread needs to know what is going on in the hoods or it becomes impossible to form a town cohesion. Given the margin of error due to micros, we don't have as many days to waste.

Seems like town you would know that. Scum like to keep things in the hoods because it is easier to control the narrative and the perspective of one person, as opposed to an town.

[pirate mollie]

OK first things first

DONT CLAIM IF YOU HAVE A HOOD OR YOUR HOOD PARTNER UNLESS YOU ARE AT RISK OF ELIMINATION

Second of all - if you are the friendly water spirit or whatever GB has called the friendly neighbor this game - DONT PLAY LIKE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SELF CLEAR - it is a bad strategy. Play to

roleswap

- and to the townies who have hoods -

BE OPEN TO ROLESWAP.

.
Third thing:

SORT IN YOUR HOOD IF YOU HAVE ONE.

Don't let it go to waste. Grill your hoodmate. You want to either be able to turn that shit into a masonry or find a scum within in. Don't let it go to waste. Don't make it obvious you have a hood either - make sure to mirror your pushes within the game too.
4th thing: THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT YOU DONT SEE - so dont be alarmed that someone might have a read that seems TMI on 1 other person, or has seemingly jarring progression! It's just entirely possible they sorted within their hood! There are 4 hoods in this game - remember that!

dumping this for start of game c/p here

Town

Do you know a feature I really wish we had on this site, that other sites have? a bookmark option for posts.

[pirate mollie]

lol what

I like this reaction.

[pirate mollie]

Why not wait? Im impatient as a player. I like to speak my mind.
I'd appreciate the shade for what is just informimg you of the meta of a difficult to read player to be dropped btw. I was trying to prevent a state where the conversation starts revolving around t3 and i dont think thats useful ever esp on d1.

So what you are trying to do is steer the game. Right?

[pirate mollie]

IV isnt parsing the game at all

because they are not doing what you want them to do?

[pirate mollie]

Why not wait? Im impatient as a player. I like to speak my mind.
I'd appreciate the shade for what is just informimg you of the meta of a difficult to read player to be dropped btw. I was trying to prevent a state where the conversation starts revolving around t3 and i dont think thats useful ever esp on d1.

So what you are trying to do is steer the game. Right?

Yes I am - that is my MO as town pretty much always especially in setups I know and playerlists I feel comfortable with.

Can you explain why you think outting the FN is acceptable on d1? Thats what you want according to your push here.
I never suggested.that hoods never out but that people actually push their hoodmate if they think something is up.
You're not reading my whole post amd just looking at small specific points.
Again - i can happily link you to me treating this setup the same last year *as town*
And nobody here has played with me that time so i could have pretended that game doesnt exist and push hoods to claim.

1. You try to steer the game as town, I'll give you that. You did it in the game I played with you. But...who do you know in this playerlist? Because you asked

me

in our hood, but never answered yourself. And apparently, you do know a lot of people. What an interesting thing to refrain from sharing, especially since you are flexing who you do know in the game thread. Also...were you the friendly neighbor in that game? I haven't looked it up.
2. Okay. Well I am pushing you.
3. What post are you referring to?
4. There is a difference in self meta as scum, compared to self meta as town. It is an unconscious tell, where people focus more on

what

they did, and not

why

they did it or the strategy and thinking process behind it.
5. Why would you refer to the game exclusively as town, and not as scum? As scum, you have 1 game as town where you used a specific strategy and won it. It would be silly not to self-vet this as scum.

And you are not silly, from my limited experience. You played fantastic as town, I can see you easily suggesting this strategy as scum.

And you have pinged all over the place in our hood, I mean, where do I start.

[pirate mollie]

thats t3, regardless of alignment you're not getting much and his play is hard to parse. Easier to solve around him. I'd say tje best way of finding his alignment is via TMI

As in scum me TMI'ing other players alignments?

so I guess you are going with the "too scummy to be scummy" gambit?

[pirate mollie]

thats t3, regardless of alignment you're not getting much and his play is hard to parse. Easier to solve around him. I'd say tje best way of finding his alignment is via TMI

?
Why did you soft white knight them already if that's the case lmao?

?
Im just warning you because t3 gets limmed in pretty much every game he is in that its not a conventional read

As town, yes. I've endgamed as scum 5 times in a row.

lol

[pirate mollie]

For the record I'm leanimg town on the mollie entrance.

I do think they're just ego defending IV to be contrarian because they didnt like my mech push /leadin

g

I'm reaching out to you mollie - have a conversation first, and please dont claim a hood at this point in the game if you have one.

wrt bold:

So let's talk about shade! Saying that I like IV's post because I am "contrarian" and "ego defending", is shade, because this isn't addressing my play, it is addressing me as a person, who is driven by ego.

So I take it Holden is town? Because it seems to me that you wouldn't be trying to discredit me to a player that you know, unless you knew that you were not going to like what I have to say.

And you know what I am going to say.

[pirate mollie]

Your read on me is predicated on you thinking im pushing anti town mechs.
Its a terrible way to sort someone.

You have refused to answer anything more in depth about IV and seem.to have no opinion about anyone else except to compare it to me

1. I never said I was pushing you for anti-town mechs, I was pushing you because several things that seemed internally inconsistent to town!you that I had experienced, admittedly limitedly, did not add up. And your posts in our hood are pretty scummy.

2. I liked IV's reaction. I think I even said that. It is called a gut read, which you seemed super hyped about with Tm3, but suddenly have an aversion to it.

It would be nice to hear from other players in the game.

[pirate mollie]

Don't change the subject -

Now why out the hood then?

Math + pace of game + scummy posts in hood + shade throwing + general tonal read from your combined hydra posts is that you feel cornered.

Waiting for everyone to check in.

Maybe I am having a ridiculous expectation of your townplay, but it seems to me right about now town!you would be worried about town!eliminations at this point, but instead you keep trying to drag things behind the scenes in order to keep things quiet.

And speaking of dodging...what was your role in the game where this game had the same set up?

I asked this, but maybe you missed it...

[pirate mollie]

And your posts in our hood are pretty scummy.

Can you please elaborate more on this?

Tldr, we are talking a lot and asking a lot of questions.
After some thought it doesnt feel like mollie wants to honestly engage with us and i took a look at a past town game and rhey are perfectly able to be cooperative and reasonable.

They didn't ask you, they asked me.

Do not answer questions that are directed to me, especially when you know full well I am in the process of building a case against you.

@Facebones

I will answer you in a separate post, once I catch up in this game.

[pirate mollie]

Maybe I am having a ridiculous expectation of your townplay, but it seems to me right about now

town!you would be worried about town!eliminations at this point

Worried about town!eliminations at this point?
This point is still VERY early on D1.
They should be trying to class people as either town or mafia

How can they be worried about town!elims if they don't know who's town?

They would be worried about town!lims if they were town and I was scumhunting them, especially when they know they fucked up in our hood. I will be getting to that.

[pirate mollie]

Spoiler: FM post spoilered for length of quote chain

Why not wait? Im impatient as a player. I like to speak my mind.
I'd appreciate the shade for what is just informimg you of the meta of a difficult to read player to be dropped btw. I was trying to prevent a state where the conversation starts revolving around t3 and i dont think thats useful ever esp on d1.

So what you are trying to do is steer the game. Right?

Yes I am - that is my MO as town pretty much always especially in setups I know and playerlists I feel comfortable with.

Can you explain why you think outting the FN is acceptable on d1? Thats what you want according to your push here.
I never suggested.that hoods never out but that people actually push their hoodmate if they think something is up.
You're not reading my whole post amd just looking at small specific points.
Again - i can happily link you to me treating this setup the same last year *as town*
And nobody here has played with me that time so i could have pretended that game doesnt exist and push hoods to claim.

1. You try to steer the game as town, I'll give you that. You did it in the game I played with you. But...who do you know in this playerlist? Because you asked

me

in our hood, but never answered yourself. And apparently, you do know a lot of people.

What an interesting thing to refrain from sharing, especially since you are flexing who you do know in the game threa

d. Also...were you the friendly neighbor in that game? I haven't looked it up.
2. Okay. Well I am pushing you.
3. What post are you referring to?
4. There is a difference in self meta as scum, compared to self meta as town. It is an unconscious tell, where people focus more on

what

they did, and not

why

they did it or the strategy and thinking process behind it.
5. Why would you refer to the game exclusively as town, and not as scum? As scum, you have 1 game as town where you used a specific strategy and won it. It would be silly not to self-vet this as scum.

And you are not silly, from my limited experience. You played fantastic as town, I can see you easily suggesting this strategy as scum

.

And you have pinged all over the place in our hood, I mean, where do I start

.

Wright and Justice vs FM feels like SvS ironically to me

This may be an absolutely dumb ass question, but if ya are in a hood, why are you also directly arguing with eachother here? It be better spent trying to illustrate to us why the other member is scum instead of taking pot shots at eachother. Not to mention also just lead to more interactions.

Anyways back to the SvS thing. The whole conversation has an artifical vibe of hostility around it. I fully can accept that a TvT interaction this early in D1 could be anger filled too, but the way its being done here doesn't collide with that. Normally when TvT's fight its more explosive and natural. Here, it seems more passive and forced from the lens of an outsider to their pt.

For example with the quoted post, i can agree with some of the logic (4, 5) but its presented with that tonal issues as seen in the colored sections(apologies to anyone colorblind):

Red: vague language; insulates that it's 'interesting' yet what does that even mean in the context of leading the thread? I feel if you think their withdraw from stating who they played with is scummy, then that has some implications regarding their interactions with people like T3. Yet that isn't explored in favor of just prodding that it's strange.

Green: completely throw away part of message. Virtue signals scummy behavior to the rest of us without actual contextulzing it. Tonal wise is in contrast to the thing above it in yellow. Yellow comment is pushing the narrative that Wright is clever enough to munch off past game credibility, yet green shows a carelessness implied from slipping a bunch in their pt. Therefore I don't really follow what picture FM has overall.


Obviously if their hood claim is true, which seems a given, then it can really only be TvS. I quoted FM, but I have some of the same issues with Wright and Justice too. Just don't have time rn to go in detail.

Thoughts? Is my metric wrong or does it make sense?

bookmarking this

[pirate mollie]

I think they are scummy for reasons outside of how they are reading me and it is precisely because of the way they are parsing my slot i think they have viability to be town - now

How about IV?

So your whole big plan for a town!win is to try to get people to out whether or not they are in a hood, even though you said that this was not a good idea because it might inadvertently out the friendly neighbor?

Are you really going to fish for the FN in the open? lmao

[pirate mollie]

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

i was talking to gamma in that post and ive played with both scum and town gamma - he was lurky and active as both alignments at various times. that's all im saying

im voting your slot rn bc i can tbh and i don't really have any read on you rn despite how much you've posted already. your insistence on me playing to my scum meta is rly weird too and having a confident read on me at this stage is bizarre especially when it's wrong

Ok lets approach this differently - why do you think you're *not* playing to scum.meta?

Early confidence is very normal for me btw - right or wrong.

nono

nonononono

the burden of proof is on YOU, to prove that IV is playing to their scum meta since YOU are the one who made the accusation.

You are not even trying to sort them, you are deflecting - one might say, "dodging" even - hey here is an example of the dodging that you have been looking for all game!

[pirate mollie]

I am all caught up.

I wanted to get everyone give everyone a chance to post at least once, and I think for the most part everyone has.

big long post incoming in a couple of hours.

eta: yeah, that isn't a meta case, that is throwing poo at the wall to see what sticks.

[pirate mollie]

So where do I start.

When I first saw that I was going to be in a hood with Gamma and Dkoba, I was pretty excited because them and Flea are the only players I am familiar with. Plus, I just finished a large with Gamma in which he was scum, so I felt I have a reasonably good chance of reading him.

I was sick yesterday, and our water heater went out on Monday night, so we have been without hot water for almost a week, and I am not sure when the company we hired is coming out to fix it, and I was really ready to just shoot the shit in a hood with two players I was familiar with.

They ego posted and then asked me who I knew in this game. I stream of conscious posted, as I tend to do, but I answered them. I also notice that they have not said who THEY were familiar with, because IF they were wanting to work together on reads in the instance that we were both town, it seems like they would be more forthcoming. So the exchange came across as them trying to figure who I knew, and that was all the info they wanted. Which is interesting, cos it is typically scum who tries to data mine in this particular way. Its particularly interesting when they accused me later of dodging a question that they never answered themselves, even though I answered. Which left me feeling that they did not particularly care what I had to say, just who I knew.

In the midst of this, I try to engage with Gamma and the only response I got was later, a why-the-fuck-do-you-keep-bothering-me reply.

Dkoba also suggested that we can have fun and pick each other's RVS votes...except he went and RVS voted before I even responded. Why suggest it if you have no intention of following through with it? At this point, town!them should be trying to establish a clear line of communication in order to discern my alignment and they are clearly not doing that.

Then, dkoba says I dodged a question that I had already answered. Again, not really caring what I have to say and the whole thing just came off as forced.

The thing that is missing from our hood is any type of parsing what my alignment is. I got the the very distinct impression that they already knew it, because their posts and questions seem along the lines of steering perception vs critical analytical engagement.

And if you go back and look through their iso, you can see this same thing in the game thread. Steering in lieu of scumhunting.

Dkoba is a very strong town player, I was scum against town!him. He was a primary mover and shaker in breaking the game. He is a methodical, straightforward player and his thinking is clear and focused and how can I say this..pure? I also followed a game he was in because some of my friends were in it, and he was the first town read. he has a natural ability to send up a very strong town signal. That is not happening here.

Gamma is a good egg, and what I learned in the large that we just completed is that he gets uncomfortable as scum.

The reason I liked IV's reaction is because that is a very natural reaction to have in response to that over explained post, that is nearly verbatim of what Gamma said in his recent scumgame. Where he lurked and avoided the game despite posting everywhere else on site. When anyone tried to question him he would get cranky, answer, then disappear again. Which is what he did in our hood.

Town role pm>>>town motivation>>>town posts.

Their posts are not town.

[pirate mollie]

Yes thats typically how I approach the game early on.
If IVs early game is similar as both alignments and ive only seen them as scum - what do you think im likely to read it as?

But my point is youre trying to dishonestly manipulate what im saying as something completely different

I am not even pushing IV now and you are trying to claim im scummy for not showing proof against IV - who I am not pushing at that point.

You're also throwing anything at me to see what sticks too - according to you I should scumread you for it, shouldn't I?
Why is it towny when you do it?
And dont try to deny you arent because we all have the recepts

Also I am no longer engaging with them in the thread or in our hood, because I am not gonna waste my time convincing scum that they are scum, and it clogs up the thread.

I encourage people to us both, and look at their responses and how they react to my posts. They read like caught scum.

Anyhoo w/o further ado

VOTE: Wright and Justice

[pirate mollie]

Except to Gamma.

VOTE: pirate mollie
you're twisting the facts of what happened in that large theme and trying to paint me as scum for it. I lurked in that game in part because I was massively disengaged. Yes, I wasn't entirely comfortable there, but you are excluding a detail that I think is rather important to make your push go more smoothly. Nuh uh.

-Justice

So when you and Dkoba were comparing notes, did you tell him that I tend to get into TvT's? That would make sense with what is in our hood. We have never gotten into a TvT, ever. You know why? Because you are a good egg. Why? because you are

decent person

. You don't posture, you don't bully people, you don't stomp around and belittle people and try to make them feel bad about themselves. Not in any game ever, when we played together.

The only reason I am pushing you is because I firmly believe you two to be scum, both independently and combined. You know Dkoba's reactions are bad. He is coming from a position of trying to control the narrative vs finding scum. The push on IV was ridiculous.

[pirate mollie]

Except to Gamma.

VOTE: pirate mollie
you're twisting the facts of what happened in that large theme and trying to paint me as scum for it. I lurked in that game in part because I was massively disengaged. Yes, I wasn't entirely comfortable there, but you are excluding a detail that I think is rather important to make your push go more smoothly. Nuh uh.

-Justice

So when you and Dkoba were comparing notes, did you tell him that I tend to get into TvT's? That would make sense with what is in our hood. We have never gotten into a TvT, ever. You know why? Because you are a good egg. Why? because you are

decent person

. You don't posture, you don't bully people, you don't stomp around and belittle people and try to make them feel bad about themselves. Not in any game ever, when we played together.

The only reason I am pushing you is because I firmly believe you two to be scum, both independently and combined. You know Dkoba's reactions are bad. He is coming from a position of trying to control the narrative vs finding scum. The push on IV was ridiculous.

Oh I know their reactions are bad. I've told them such. Doesn't make them scum.
I think had you been more patient you would probably have a different read development on us if you're town. Koba's reading IV's Andres comment as serious is understandable as they pick up on things that shouldn't be prodded and decide to prod them anyway. My suggestion to Koba would have been to basically ignore IV's comment except as a small note. It didn't read as 100% claiming a hood to me.

-Justice

If you agree with me that dkoba's reactions and responses are bad, in the hood and the thread,

then why are you voting me

You are treating me like town here. I know you know that I am town, so your vote looks OMGUSSY.

[pirate mollie]

I just said why I'm voting you: you're twisting the events of my last scumgame against you to fit your narrative. That doesn't preclude me from trying to reason with you on the points you're bringing against koba. I would like if you engaged the bit I'm calling out as false.

-Justice

How am I twisting the events? A50 is the one who said that was your scum meta. I believed him because I have seen you do that too, I just didn't put it together. I can even pull up the post where he said that if you want.

out of game talk

: I apologize for my part in that drama. However do you notice rule in this particular game, "When someone asks you to stop, you stop."? I wish every game had that rule. Because I asked A50 to plz stop with the belittling and petty insults 4 times and all he did was escalate. Mastina wasn't around and I lost my temper, because I am firmly in the camp that when someone says stop, we should stop. Period. He was bullying RR, me and he tried to dismiss Dwelee's gender identity. It wasn't until Mastina went and reported all of his problematic posts that he stopped.

My playstyle has changed (not sure if you have noticed). Taking an almost 2 year break from this site and moving away from the people who ran it at the time, has been very very very good to me. And the site has changed too, it is a much safer space than it used to be. I no longer think that bullying the bullies is the best way to deal with them but sometimes I slip up.

[pirate mollie]

nono

nonononono

the burden of proof is on YOU, to prove that IV is playing to their scum meta since YOU are the one who made the accusation.

You are not even trying to sort them, you are deflecting - one might say, "dodging" even - hey here is an example of the dodging that you have been looking for all game!

Why is that scummy?
like I get that it's scummy in theory

Because a common scum tactic is to deflect onto the other person and put them on the defense. It is hard to play the game on the defense, it takes up your time that can be better used for scumhunting and almost always, some townie will jump on it. It comes from the same mindset as OMGUS - a scum one.

Anyway it would be really cool to hear from other players, there is enough content in the thread to form a baseline for reads. Also a vc would be nice.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie thats literally what youre trying to do to us, do you not underfunded that youre a massive hypocrite?

Why is it townie when mollie does it but when koba does it its scummy?(even though half your accusations are false)

Show me where I deflected.

[pirate mollie]

You wont engage with us becsuse im smart enough as a player to dissect bad arguments and that kills your push against me if you acknowledge my points

Your summary of the hood is dishonestly framed - as you *yourself* avoided answering the question and never evem asked us back and just assumee we were scummy for not sharing back. This is deranged as hell for a towny. You dont interact with people like that. If you're town here - then fuckint stop ruining the game thread with this projection because its jot helpful
Yes i think theres a chance youre a townie just tossing the game over your own ego. Just own up to it if you are because its not fucking healthy for a solvestate.

If im scum here - how are you gonna find my partner? Js. You haven't even looked to solve outside of me

re: "deranged" - stop gaslighting.

And that is the only response that this post deserves.

[pirate mollie]

I never asked if you knew people from the playerlist bfw - thats an outright lie. I asked what your planned approach was to people you did know.

Dude, you directly asked me about the playerlist and I answered. I didn't feel comfortable with the question about how I planned on scumhunting because I am not going to sit there and tell scum how I do that. I did not know your alignment at that point and by the time I caught up in the thread, I was hard scumreading you.

You are the one who came into the thread and tried to discredit me by saying that I was scum reading you because I disagreed on the game mechanics when you know good and well that is not why.

This is why if I end up scumreading my neighbor in a game I stop talking to them, because all they do is run to the thread and discredit them and misrepresent. Which is what you did.

And you trying to make this about my ego constitutes as a personal attack, and I am asking you to plz stop.

And ftr? Your outrage is overblown and disproportionate to the situation and well - fake.

[pirate mollie]

Paraphrase what post 5, the question you think is a scumclaim, says.
Your whole case is predicated on an incorrect interpretation of a question i posed to you and you refuse to humble yourself.

You know what?

Your own hydra partner said that your posts were bad. So I don't know why the fuck you are even acting this way towards me.

Your own hydra partner.

[pirate mollie]

oh yeah, BECAUSE IT'S FAKE

[pirate mollie]

This game isnt the mollie show - so stop acting like it. You're ruining the gamestate and as is im fine policying you on the basis you keeo pushing lies despite having them proven wrong directly and quickly goalpost adjusting in response to some etc.

One player that used to play on here years, Especially The Lies, used to always say this when they were caught scum. I don't she ever understood how much I respected her as a player.

You keep trying to make my scumread on you as some sort of character flaw that I have while addressing any of the logical points that I make. That's scummy to me.

What lies are you saying that I am pushing and that you are disproving them? I mean am shifting the goalposts or outright lying? Because it can't be both. Either you think that I am making points but moving the goalposts or that I am not making any points at all.

which is it

[pirate mollie]

There is *no* good faith attempted in mollie and i know their town games show they are capable of it 100%

Which leads me to lean towards the feeling they are scum


Mollie, early in the game, instantly refuses to consider a world i am town and came into the game with the idea in their head that we are scum, (as in as a premeditated conclusion)

More cog-dis.

Am I scum or confbiased town? I can't be both.

[pirate mollie]

This game isnt the mollie show - so stop acting like it. You're ruining the gamestate and as is im fine policying you on the basis you keeo pushing lies despite having them proven wrong directly and quickly goalpost adjusting in response to some etc.

One player that used to play on here years, Especially The Lies, used to always say this when they were caught scum. I don't

think

she ever understood how much I respected her as a player.

You keep trying to make my scumread on you as some sort of character flaw that I have, while

not

addressing any of the logical points that I make. That's scummy to me.

What lies are you saying that I am pushing and that you are disproving? I mean am

I

shifting the goalposts or outright lying? Because it can't be both. Either you think that I am making points but moving the goalposts or that I am not making any points at all.

which is it

whoops, shoulda proofread, sorry

This is the corrected version.

[pirate mollie]

How are you reading holden here, mollie?

I think they're solidly town based on how their thought process presents itself looking at other people, despite being a bit odd. And with this i think they are actually trying to solve the game, notably with how they were interacting with my slot, about myself and people like t3.

Mollie i have to conclude you are scum afraid to tread on toes and spew other people if you refuse to make reads elsewhere btw.
Im trying to push content out of you and you refuse to talk about more than just me and talk in circles about it.

There is only like 5 minutes trying you "trying to push content" out of me and your first non-belligerent post.

I went to the bathroom and did my nightly skincare routine. I mean I can do that, yeah?

I am keeping my cards close to my chest because I am waiting to hear more content from other players. This is just my playstyle, especially in neighborhood game, when I suspect my neighbor is scum.

I already said, I think IV is town because I think they intuitively picked up on the over-explaining of the post that they reacted to, that I liked. I think that they picked up on that it seemed scum motivated. It is a weak read.

I have a weak scumread on T3, but I can't decide if I think this is a playstyle thing.

I need more content from Holden.

I am not sure why you expect me to be able to read the players that have barely posted.

Do you have reads on them? I see you are voting Alice but she also FOSed you so :/

[pirate mollie]

How are you reading holden here, mollie?

I think they're solidly town based on how their thought process presents itself looking at other people, despite being a bit odd. And with this i think they are actually trying to solve the game, notably with how they were interacting with my slot, about myself and people like t3.

Mollie i have to conclude you are scum afraid to tread on toes and spew other people if you refuse to make reads elsewhere btw.
Im trying to push content out of you and you refuse to talk about more than just me and talk in circles about it.

There is only like 5 minutes

between you

"trying to push content" out of me and your first non-belligerent post.

I went to the bathroom and did my nightly skincare routine. I mean I can do that, yeah?

I am keeping my cards close to my chest because I am waiting to hear more content from other players. This is just my playstyle, especially in neighborhood game, when I suspect my neighbor is scum.

I already said, I think IV is town because I think they intuitively picked up on the over-explaining of the post that they reacted to, that I liked. I think that they picked up on that it seemed scum motivated. It is a weak read.

I have a weak scumread on T3, but I can't decide if I think this is a playstyle thing.

I need more content from Holden.

I am not sure why you expect me to be able to read the players that have barely posted.

Do you have reads on them? I see you are voting Alice but she also FOSed you so :/

Corrected.

I am sorry guys. I am dyslexic and will transpose words, and miss some during the correction. And so sometimes what I say, might seem incoherent unless I fix it.

And I know my logic is sound, and I don't want it dismissed due to incoherence.

[pirate mollie]

I already said, I think IV is town because I think they intuitively picked up on the over-explaining of the post that they reacted to, that I liked. I think that they picked up on that it seemed scum motivated. It is a weak read.

meh

I didn’t think anything on page 1 was scum motivated and I’m not sure how you inferred so much from that single post of just “lol what” but I guess I’ll let your imagination run wild?

don't get me wrong, it is an extremely weak read.

There is very little content in most of the other playerbase. I have already said this.

[pirate mollie]

well let’s say I didn’t make that “lol what” post for the reasons you think I made it for (which I didn’t really) is still a read at all/do you have no read on me then? it’s fine if you don’t just curious

Then what prompted you to make it?

Because that was one of the posts that Mastina scumread Gamma for, and at the time I was like nooooooooo

Mastina was my hydra partner in that game and one of the best players on the site. It matches a previous game, but I know you did not know that. Hence why I thought with your reaction that you subconsciously picked up on it, and I read your post as a town gut reaction.

[pirate mollie]

I kinda think u are town because you have been very straight-up with everything you say idk it’s a weak tonal read that I got in the last like 15 seconds. I didn’t really have a read on u before that but just noting it here that I had this thought before I go

How do you tonal read Wright and Justice?

[pirate mollie]

forced intensity but don’t think it’s AI

Independently, no, body of work, yes.

In fact I would say their whole play this game is forced. Which is defo something I am not used to seeing from dkoba. Gamma clouds his play with emotion, and I think he does this as NAI.

But body of work, yes. There are too many things that add up to a non-town POV.

[pirate mollie]

No the fuck i didnt.
I assumed it was a true claim becuase im autistic and took it at face value
Fuck you if you think i thought it was a joke becsuse it was *not* clearly a joke to me

I was considering your hood real.and my fucking push on you askkng why you outted it wjth a null read on andees should be proof that was my thought process not whatever garbage about "fishing hood status".

Would you not fucking think its scummy for a neighbor to claim with anything above a scumread? Because i do.

im not sure if there’s a tonal tell here and in which direction if so

I don’t think anyone should be ignored ftr

Point taken.

I will have to think about this. I think I must have been skimming their posts without meaning to, and missed the tonal quality of these two posts. I am trying to read their posts through an unbiased lens, but I admit, I am pretty biased at this point. I feel like I need more info before I can do anymore real, meaningful game-solving because it is a hood game and it is the default. The game content is pretty starved, except for the people who are going in circles in their discussion because there is nothing else to do.

I can't further my case on Wright and Justice anymore than I already have. Which is why I might be unconsciously ignoring them more than I should. I try to read all of their posts but not respond until Gamma posted.

In isolation, I think I get what you mean. I am on the spectrum too, and this puts things in a different light. Somehow I missed this, so I am gonna take a step back.

Thank you for this <3

UNVOTE: Wright and Justice

I am not abandoning my read, just giving them oxygen to post w/o so much pressure.

[pirate mollie]

I don’t understand the distinction between body of work and independent sorry

arc of tonal reading through multiple posts vs a single post or interaction. The read is cumulative.

[pirate mollie]

I dont feel pressured by someone using blatant lies to push me but rather annoyed but nice to know ur finally gonna stfu about us and actually play the game

I have asked you, a couple of times, "where are the lies" and all I get is bluster, repetition, and deflection.. and I try to redirect you to what actually happened and then we start going in circles.

I am asking that we both take a step back, and reevaluate our positions. I think I missed some very important social cues.

[pirate mollie]

re pirate's 251 uh i think you again inferred some more stuff about my post than i was going for myself? i simply noted those two koba outburst posts as posts i probalby should've been getting a tonal read from but wasn't sure if it's actually town indicative or scum indicative.

can you explain what you found towny about it?

maybe you'll convince me

wrt the italicized and the bold:

are you asking me if I think

your

post is townie or W&J's?

I missed those two posts and I am taking a step back because I have grown to understand that neurodivergents have a completely different set of scumtells than neurotypicals. I misread Titus for years because of this, and it caused a lot of pain on both parts. We worked through it and now she is my favorite player and we send each other gifts.

Again, I am not abandoning my read. I am just shelving it for now.

The reason I am shelving it is because I want to think about it and I am waiting for other people to post.

I kind of want to vote Flea, 2 posts and 1 is a prod dodge. At this point I am wanting to lim one of the lurkers.

[pirate mollie]

You know what.

I can't with this slot.

Dkoba just made a post in our hood where it was clear that his priorities are special/power role hunting over scumhunting. Like it is really freaking

obvious

.

I am 98% sure this slot is scum.

This isn't TvT,

they are trying to force the perception that it is

. They did this in our hood before we even got into it.

My logic and my reasons for thinking they are scum are sound and I stand by those reasons. But I am one person and it takes a combined town to win a game.

VOTE: Wight and Justice

[pirate mollie]

I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)

It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.

So....

this is the second time that Dkoba is answering a question aimed at me with the intent of discrediting me, before I had a chance to respond.

This is what I mean by trying to control the narrative in lieu of scumhunting.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie's reasoning all boil down to my playstyle and i almost thought they might have a glimmer of good play in them but clearly its not there.

I don't read the game and think "ok im only reading the game to scumhunt here"

I am making several conclusions at once from what I'm reading and its not my fault mollie isnt good enough to do that and I am and is projecting their lack of skill at me.

im tired of it and its frankly annoying as fuck.

is this the part where I am supposed to defend my ego? lmao

Also from this point forward I won't be replying to mollie in thread in an effort to not shit up the thread, if they want to talk like an adult, they can do so in our PT rather than act out like a child when I play in a way they dont like.

I've made more effort to sort the game as a whole then they have and they can sit the fuck down if they think they're helping the gamestate for town.

Point to the post where I am being childish and not acting like an adult?

I mean, I agree, you probably

shouldn't

be interacting with me because you out your role pm every time you do.

Anyways ->

ATP I want hard pressure on Alice because based on POE from people who have spoken having towntold to some capacity, Alice is caught floundering in PoE and also avoiding playing in this game.


If IV is scum they will help spew their team atp and i'm willing to let them live as they have lots of trouble with endurance - but their more recent postings have shown a higher thought process than I remember reading from their scumgames and thus I doubt that will be necessary.

LOL. This is a complete contradiction from what you said in our hood.

[pirate mollie]

W+J strong start, Koba doing the usual, but then immediately covering Gammas ass

even though Gamma posted

My bad, I thought gamma had posted, they hadn't.

.
Sus.

Pirate Mollie amazing entry

Typical facebones entry, and typical response to facebones entry...

Bad response to mollie from WJ

WJ flipped signers? nope, me being dumb

Golden gun beholden.

Koba wanting me to town tell 18 hours into a game where I don't towntell in any game makes me lol.

WJ/PM is TvsS. Knowing my Bias on Koba is here I don't want to fall into my usual pit of just confbiasing them as scum... PM makes an amazing post though.

Shame about the misgendering >.<

IV is someone I need to look at.

Oh personal attack time... and it gets better.

Auties rise up.

And of course, give an inch and someone will take the whole damned mile...



And thats the quick notes version because I don't have the energy or medication to do my usual

God I wish I had a golden gun. Though I don't have good track records when it comes to being a Vig.

Why is IV someone you want to look at in particular?

Just got home from my boyfriends house.
I'm gonna be relaxing because my social energy is drained, saw alice elitelling so im gonna keep my vote here.
-wright

But but....we could make 5 more pages!!

Failed vibe check, something in my head tells me there's something more I need to look at there.

Which one, W&J or Holden?

Or both?

[pirate mollie]

I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)

It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.

So....

this is the second time that Dkoba is answering a question aimed at me with the intent of discrediting me, before I had a chance to respond.

This is what I mean by trying to control the narrative in lieu of scumhunting.

Silence hypocrite.

Ok I'm here sorry was just murdering mollie in my hood with facts logic and meta.

You are funny when you are scum.

[pirate mollie]

Flea entrance had poor logic basis but it's town thought process for flea - > flea if you're reading this, don't trap yourself into thinking mollie vs I has to be TvS. That's not how it works. People make shit conclusions often as town. This is likely one of them.

I'm aware, I'm watching for a reason. If I get caught in this, then I get caught in my usual pit of treating a biased read as gospel.

I know you're firey, and it's that I'm watching at the moment. I haven't played with you as scum to memory so at this point it's down to hopeful pattern recognition.

My recent scumgames have been super passive and trying to be under the radar for the most part.

Honestly I keep going back and forth on mollie in my head like thinking are they town hardtunneled on me with shit logic or just scum hardfocusing me so they can get me mislimmed while avoiding spewing anyone else. (because I have tried to get them to talk about literally any other slot and its been with limited success) but its more of an 80%-20% town-scum in my head atm.

I think scum are mostly hiding in inactives is my vibe atm and I'm just waiting till it gets obvious those people are just dodging game by wearing them out via endurance for the most part as its hard to case POE rather than case who has talked xD

I am still waiting for you to dispute my "shit logic". If you cannot dispute it then I am assuming that it is sound enough for you to deride rather than dispute because

scum role >>>scum motivation>>>scum role pm

Every single one of your posts comes from a scum POV.

And if YOU can't read me, Gamma sure as fuck can and knows I am town.

Where did Gamma go btw

[pirate mollie]

posts in order:
*pregame*
My main egos the thread
Gamma egos the thread
I post a blank post to.test sig being enabled (it was pregame)
I ask mollie to explain what they think of the playerlist and how they plan their approach to them as a way to get solving started .
Mollies first post is a joke about policying gamma(a refernce to a recent game apparently)
Then they quote our question to them and ask which head was taking to them->then ask us how we're doing while describing something about their day and make a comment about how the game is a useful distraction

I'll do more later but thats when i started having pings on mollie

here's a paraphrasing of the first few posts of the hood - like till post 8?

This was Thanksgiving Day, when I was at my sickest, and I only made 3 posts, 1 of them explaining that I was sick and that our water heater was out and that I was hoping to distract myself by shooting the shit with you.

And from that I pinged? lol

Is this your logic and meta that you are referring to?

[pirate mollie]

They thought i was scum off of a misinterpretation. I am currently tipsy but after work tomororow I'll paraphrase the hood up till mollie decided to lolclaim it.

the remaining stuff I'm not willing to share at this time but it is mostly me berating mollie for having a bad read on me lol

I didn't misinterpret anything.

[pirate mollie]

I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)

It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.

So....

this is the second time that Dkoba is answering a question aimed at me with the intent of discrediting me, before I had a chance to respond.

This is what I mean by trying to control the narrative in lieu of scumhunting.

I mean, is Koba's description wrong? Koba outed who they thought might be FN, and didn't push the discussion past that point. And from personal experience, koba is notable as being able to pick up on certain PR tells

-Justice

Yes. He left out the part about IV being easy to crack. He went after IV then backed off and he is in the hood saying that he thinks the FN is between is between IV/Andres. His only scumread is Alice, who has only posted twice, once to FOS you guys. :/

His priorities are clear; he is power role hunter over scumhunting. I mean in his head, his townreads should be IV/Andres/Flea/Me but that is the POV he is navigating from. He is just trying to cross off FN candidates.

[pirate mollie]

Votecount 1.3

Wright and Justice(2)

~ innocentvillager(39), piratemollie(

46

)

innocentvillager(2)

~ T3(22), HoldenGolden(31)

AliceK(1)

~ Wright and Justice(

124

)


Not Voting (4): Facebones(7), AliceK(2), Flea The Magician(8), Andresvmb(7)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-05 18:49:25)

mollie why are you so allergic to posts asking you to look at people outside of us?

You have ignored the prompt *several* times.

Because I am one person not 2, and you have nearly triple the posts of anywhere else, here and in our hood.

I am struggling to keep up.

It is only within the past few hours that other people have been posting.

You could, you know, stop posting and actually give other people the chance to interact, instead of spamming the thread.

[pirate mollie]

okay mollie I'm past the point of letting you figure it out on your own, Koba's pronouns are they/them, it's in our signature
thanks flea for also trying to help

-Justice

When did that change?

I honestly don't read sigs. I used to have them turned off, I don't know if they rid of that feature or what.

Why didn't you correct me in the hood...ever? I haven't been back since my last post.

This is confusing because you know I am non-binary, that was part of A50 and mine's kerfuffle is when he misgendered Dwelee and then defended his misgendering.

I apologize Dkoba. You were he when I knew you prior and you haven't said a word. I will be respectful moving forward.

It is just bizarre that you have not brought this up, especially after the last game Gamma.

[pirate mollie]

Yes. He left out the part about IV being easy to crack. He went after IV then backed off and he is in the hood saying that he thinks the FN is between is between IV/Andres. His only scumread is Alice, who has only posted twice, once to FOS you guys. :/

His priorities are clear; he is power role hunter over scumhunting. I mean in his head, his townreads should be IV/Andres/Flea/Me but that is the POV he is navigating from. He is just trying to cross off FN candidates.

Oh, I agree with those townreads but that isn't what you are saying.

You keep asking me who is your partner, but you haven't said who you thought Alice's partner was. So I will ask because if I don't you will discredit me because I assumed that you would be more forthcoming.

Who is Alice's partner?

Oh would be protown play to stop posting for an hour and allow other interaction to occur.

I am one person trying to post, and I can't keep up with both of you spamming the thread.

[pirate mollie]

re pirate's 251 uh i think you again inferred some more stuff about my post than i was going for myself? i simply noted those two koba outburst posts as posts i probalby should've been getting a tonal read from but wasn't sure if it's actually town indicative or scum indicative.

can you explain what you found towny about it?

maybe you'll convince me

wrt the italicized and the bold:

are you asking me if I think

your

post is townie or W&J's?

I missed those two posts and I am taking a step back because I have grown to understand that neurodivergents have a completely different set of scumtells than neurotypicals. I misread Titus for years because of this, and it caused a lot of pain on both parts. We worked through it and now she is my favorite player and we send each other gifts.

Again, I am not abandoning my read. I am just shelving it for now.

The reason I am shelving it is because I want to think about it and I am waiting for other people to post.

I kind of want to vote Flea, 2 posts and 1 is a prod dodge. At this point I am wanting to lim one of the lurkers

.

I thought you loved me Dokba

(Above is just random post I found where priate give something else then you guys. I'm quoting mainly to show that more needs to be said then general blanket statements that discredits both of you)

Anyways since 2v1 is your issue private mollie, takk with me. What do you think of Flea's last posts? Anyone else sparks your timbers?

It is hard to get reads and respond thoughtfully to the thread, when W&J keeps spamming it. I am trying to be selective in my responses, because I am one 1 person responding to what feels like 20. I seriously need them to shut up for a minute.

I don't know! Gun to my head I would say town, but it isn't a ride or die. On a scale of 1 to 10, I would give that read a 2, with confidence. I will have to examine my bias in that they thought I had an amazing entrance, and I know I am susceptible to flattery.

What are your thoughts on other players thus far?

[pirate mollie]

Didn't find enough time to catch up, but from few first pages I think Wright and Justice is scum.
1) discussing mechanics and providing optimal strategy is a cheap way to get towncred, you don't need to do reads and probably people wouldn't reveal their hoods anyway. T3 got baited for that.
2) self-meta thing is something scummy as wellg
, I definitely can see Kobba trying to replicate the same style as scum.
If it worked as town why wouldn't it work as scum.

Also Mollie revealing their hood is quite controversial which usually comes from town as you can never know how town will react to that.

Mollie, T3 - town
Wright and Justice - scum

Will read the rest of the thread tomorrow. Probably I'm quite behind.

You are like a breath of fresh air.

[pirate mollie]

Eariler you were agreeing with IV that their meta covered stuff like that unless I'm not remembering. Is it mainly the connection that drives you to render them scummy or are you np longer thinking that's within the relem of town IV?

Pedit: I agree with the association.

Yeah their later posts being super wishywashy is what I expect from scum IV.

I have a recent game where I was replaced in on limlo where I did read IV's posts to find associatives: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87680

That sounds creepy.

[pirate mollie]

I'm going to step away from reading Wright/Molie since I'm going back and forth and having WiFom issues with them and stuff like thread reaction (I can explain this but it would be a giant wishy washy blob so meh)

Reading through those that posted, I don't really like IV. While I understand that IV plays by PoE, their posts feel extraordinary uncommitted. Below is a subsection from their ISO with bold highlighting parts I deemed to be unwilling to commit.

Spoiler:

I have zero read on koba slot

pirate mollie like maybe slightly +town

maybe not

Holden

seems alright maybe a little performative

I’m not convinced that FN is like that essential this game to protect and withhold neighbor info and solvy stuff

but I’ll go along with whatever ppl think

hang in there gamma

yeah I just said it

seemed performative lool didn’t say it’s not in townrange but thanks for bringing up the meta nugget

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

i was talking to gamma in that post and ive played with both scum and town gamma - he was lurky and active as both alignments at various times. that's all im saying

im voting your slot rn bc i can tbh and i don't really have any read on you rn despite how much you've posted already. your insistence on me playing to my scum meta is rly weird too and having a confident read on me at this stage is bizarre especially when it's wrong

note that bizarre/wrong doesn't mean i think you're scum necessarily just worth parking my vote here rn, also im more of a PoE type player anyway so not that many things scum ping me, etc etc

*Entire post reduces impact of the read

I kinda think u are town because you have been very straight-up with everything you say idk it’s a weak tonal read that I got in the last like 15 seconds.

I didn’t really have a read on u before that but just noting it here that I had this thought before I go

No the fuck i didnt.
I assumed it was a true claim becuase im autistic and took it at face value
Fuck you if you think i thought it was a joke becsuse it was *not* clearly a joke to me

I was considering your hood real.and my fucking push on you askkng why you outted it wjth a null read on andees should be proof that was my thought process not whatever garbage about "fishing hood status".

Would you not fucking think its scummy for a neighbor to claim with anything above a scumread? Because i do.

im not sure if there’s a tonal tell here and in which direction if so

In these posts, it feels IV is purposely leaving the door open on a lot of their points. 162 in particular rubbed me the wrong way as it gives multiple reasons to back out of the read established in 161 which ALREADY talked in length about why their voting. As such, 162 feels redundant and displays a type of worry about appearing 'correct' that I associate with scum. In other words:

IV seemed more concerned on justfiying the vote and providing a way out rather then committing to it.

this is additionally alarming since the point was to apply pressure which is undermined by the rest of the posts.

Given how consistent this tone is as well, I am scumleaning them.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: innocentvillager

IV: can you give me a working PoE of your headstate right now? Please try to inculde some rationale with it. If it is truely wishywashy, then please give me details upon why it's like that to you.

btw ^^ @mollie refute this

Uhm...what am I refuting? The question is addressed to IV. I try not to answer questions directed to other people, Guapo's Law and all that. Especially a player that I have a weak townread, but that you think is the FN and are voting them.

Like I can't with you.

[pirate mollie]

mollie has played a game that is predicated on avoiding engaging with anyone.
-
in our hood I tried to engage mollie on reads on other slots before the hood was outted but mollie refused to - a pattern that can even be seen in this thread.

You tried to engage me on a scum!IV read, right after they voted you.

The next person you go after is Alice, who FOSED you.

Then you say that you think the friendly neighbor is in IV/Andres.

Now IV/Me are a scumteam.

I have asked you several times to point to the posts where I lied and you disproved them. Because I don't remember that happening.

I asked you something else and you never answered.

If you are town then the protown thing would be to go back and answer the questions in order to avoid hypocrisy (accusation aimed at me) because otherwise YOU are the one who is projecting your shit on

me.

You have given zero reads with depth. "Oh Holden's town entrance looks good!", was your read on another player while demanding more depth from my reads in which I have repeatedly said, were weak due to not being enough content at the time. Oh! You said Flea's entrance looked good too.

[pirate mollie]

Actually I'm kinda confused so entertain me dear Wright.

You seem to be using meta a lot. This is fine despite my gripes with it. Have you considered mine at all in conjuction with your read?

I beleive I'm the only one so far that you haven't mentioned any past history (I have theories why), so I'm curious.

Also thanks for the T3 bit. I agree the read on IV is weak though the time it was given it makes sense? Again would like to see Mollie renewed stance on it.

I already nuanced this in a previous post. Could you just iso me? I am getting exhausted.

[pirate mollie]

Oh would be protown play to stop posting for an hour and allow other interaction to occur.

I am one person trying to post, and I can't keep up with both of you spamming the thread.

Spoiler:

https://m.imgur.com/eOeSxzz

Its not woeking wirh img tag so please click it

Look at me mollie, I am the captain right now.

Don't worry about the lawyers. I'm your counter lawyer. Confide in me. Talk to me. Don't worry about them right now and just come blabber to me about the game. I want to know things. Many things!

I am here but catching up.

[pirate mollie]

Not anymore. Koba’s point about how they are only high post count when town is true and even if that is untrue, that kind of observation often comes from town.

I admit, I have no idea how to read you, but you weirdly chainsaw defend W&J here, and a couple of times before this , with hidden rules as to how you think mafia is played.

You said you were scum in 5 recent games, what does your town play look like? Other than W&J's meta on you?

[pirate mollie]

re pirate's 251 uh i think you again inferred some more stuff about my post than i was going for myself? i simply noted those two koba outburst posts as posts i probalby should've been getting a tonal read from but wasn't sure if it's actually town indicative or scum indicative.

can you explain what you found towny about it?

maybe you'll convince me

wrt the italicized and the bold:

are you asking me if I think

your

post is townie or W&J's?

I missed those two posts and I am taking a step back because I have grown to understand that neurodivergents have a completely different set of scumtells than neurotypicals. I misread Titus for years because of this, and it caused a lot of pain on both parts. We worked through it and now she is my favorite player and we send each other gifts.

Again, I am not abandoning my read. I am just shelving it for now.

The reason I am shelving it is because I want to think about it and I am waiting for other people to post.

I kind of want to vote Flea, 2 posts and 1 is a prod dodge. At this point I am wanting to lim one of the lurkers

.

I thought you loved me Dokba

(Above is just random post I found where priate give something else then you guys. I'm quoting mainly to show that more needs to be said then general blanket statements that discredits both of you)

Anyways since 2v1 is your issue private mollie, takk with me. What do you think of Flea's last posts? Anyone else sparks your timbers?

It is hard to get reads and respond thoughtfully to the thread, when W&J keeps spamming it. I am trying to be selective in my responses, because I am one 1 person responding to what feels like 20. I seriously need them to shut up for a minute.

I don't know! Gun to my head I would say town, but it isn't a ride or die. On a scale of 1 to 10, I would give that read a 2, with confidence. I will have to examine my bias in that they thought I had an amazing entrance, and I know I am susceptible to flattery.

What are your thoughts on other players thus far?

Then focus on me, take your time, and reply to our dialogs.

Treat it as they don't exist for 24 hours. It may be hard, but we will get more done that way. If nothing happens, we'll, you guys got 6 days to resume battle >:)

Id like if you use this oppertunity to formulate a good IV read. I'm interested in it because that's who I'm pushing, and your hood friend is interested in it too for other reasons that do not matter such much right now.

I've kinda stated my feelings on players throughout my posts but so far the tldr looks like:

IV: scum lean
You and WrightJustice: bundled trouble.
T3: townvibes
Flea: gut vibe town which I'm too drunk to deeply explain.

(Andrea's | Alice | facebone) are all moot. I have thoughts on some, but not enough to develop anything.

I don't like your list.

If you want to engage with me and determine my alignment, why are you not addressing the points that I have made against W&J, to see where I am coming from? I don't even know what your read on them is.

It seems you are trying to rushedly townbin us, with the early TvT assessment and the reiterative post here, and I am trying to weigh that in.

[pirate mollie]

it's cool, but thank you for the correction <3

[pirate mollie]

hey mollie in case you havent noticed, everyone else wants you to shut the fuck up about our slot and talk about other people.

just like a hint - as I've said several times recently in our PT.

Have fun tho I don't mind you digging your hole deeper, I gave you a ladder but you swiped it away.

YOU HAVE OVER DOUBLE THE POSTS THAT I HAVE. ALMOST TRIPLE AT THE TIME OF THE VC. I HAD LESS THAN 20 POSTS FROM THE 3RD TOP POSTER.

CLEARLY, I AM NOT THE PROBLEM HERE.

[pirate mollie]

mollie, please hammer

Stay with me.

What did you and Andres talk about in your hood?

[pirate mollie]

I just rage claimed my hood as being with facebones. We haven’t talked about much at all.

Ah, Facebones, got it.

@W&J - what is your read on Facebones?

[pirate mollie]

Flea entrance had poor logic basis but it's town thought process for flea - > flea if you're reading this, don't trap yourself into thinking mollie vs I has to be TvS. That's not how it works. People make shit conclusions often as town. This is likely one of them.

Holden is town for similar reasoning in terms of a deeper thought process being shown + actual solviness.

Facebones is above the line in terms of towniness for me, the entrance reminds me of when we played together and they were town.

mollie is just loltown who thinks they are good at mafia and are trying to push a read on a player who is being a leader. fun fact: this doesnt help ever and you are just going to be cited as a major reason town lost if we do lose.

Andres/IV I will revisit later

Gamma says they think T3 is towny, I dont think i can read T3 so I will just let them have that here. they still are near the bottom for me, above facebones though.

that leaves Alice as the odd one out here -> I think from all angles they are scum here. Well. Not all angles. But from the theories I have currently about the game this is how I feel.


Also if you think mollie has good points against me, think about your read accuracy in games yourself especially towards me in the past and then slowly deposit your agreement into the trash.

Who is Alice's partner again?

Or are you still adhering to IV/me scum?

I mean, I can't tell. There is a distinct lack of progression in these reads, and scream cog-dis, because you cannot get wild about the idea that IV/me are a scumteam, and vote/push Alice simultaneously.

[pirate mollie]

I don't like your list.

If you want to engage with me and determine my alignment, why are you not addressing the points that I have made against W&J, to see where I am coming from? I don't even know what your read on them is.

It seems you are trying to rushedly townbin us, with the early TvT assessment and the reiterative post here, and I am trying to weigh that in.

I think you may be misrememebring some stuff. I was the one who first claimed it was TvS then branched out from there.

Anyhow

Your two bundled together because of thread dynamics. I've epxlained it eariler, but I find the lieu of outside counterpushing to nudge it to TvT. IV was the only person that attempted to engage in a serious manner but backed away. It's a bit faulty because of the less active people, but I did notice it. Hence why I'm trying to push out conversations elsewhere.

As for why indivual reads and why I don't sort you two outside of the conflict: I can't read Dokkba for shit. Everything they post is scummy to me until I realize who it's coming from. It's hard for me to actively read through Dkooba because it's the inverse of how I beleive town should play. If I didn't know their playstyle, I'd be all over them. It's why I've been trying to ENCOURGE THEM TO LOOK AT OTHER PEIPLE because I know what the town!Wright death tunnel is mike

As for you, I've actually waxed and waned a bit. I didn't like you when I pointed out the TvS comment but your intial parley post felt townie. Then it all went to shit when it spewed back up and I'm mixed. Hence why I'm also interested in talking to you directly.

Honestly if I was a day vig I would shoot into you two right now shamelessly. You should see my hand written notes before I turned to ole Jack.


Also i started typing something about IV but my memoey is bad so idk what it was but hete is what i wrote: Unlike Dokkba, while I see the association, I'm not really voting due to it. I don't care to until there's a red flip.

You originally said that our exchanges read as S/S, but that because of the set up it might be T/S, but that you were leaning TvT.

I can point to the post if you like.

[pirate mollie]

Who is Alice's partner again?

Or are you still adhering to IV/me scum?

I mean, I can't tell. There is a distinct lack of progression in these reads, and scream cog-dis, because you cannot get wild about the idea that IV/me are a scumteam, and vote/push Alice simultaneously.

actually I'm pretty sure koba expressly stated they thought IV/alice was possible
I kinda think you might be town for the IV hood partner

dumbtell

but this makes me feel less good about that

-Justice

Wrt: I am pretty sick and tired of your slot using put downs as a form of engagement, after I have asked you to stop.

I am not putting YOU down, I am scumreading you. There is a big difference.

[pirate mollie]

Hmm

FaceBone I have two requests for when you catch up:

1) What's your read on T3 (if you got one)
2) What's your take on Mollie trying to branch out from the interactions with Wright?

Bonus) Does it hurt your soul knowing your name abbreviated is FB such as Facebook? Do you ever stuff your voodoo head in a textbook to get along with that accursed social platform?

1) I don't know what to make of 373 from T3 exactly, for me Kobas point about a high post count being their town meta could also come from scum!koba. Those self-obvservations (look at me, I'm town because I'm doing this, which I've done in previous games where I was town) from a player of Koba's calibre could easily be fabricated. Why is unprovoked self-meta a towny trait? I might be wrong, but to me it feels more like a paranoid scum trait

I do like how T3 was putting pressure on IV and asking him questions with regards to the vote on WJ in order to help understand IV's thought process to better categorise him, and I agree with his sentiments that people should probably ignore the WJ/Molly for a bit.
He's already slightly touched on Alice, but am curious to hear why he thinks Andre/Flea is possible scum?

My read on him is a slight townlean for now

2) I think Molly trying to branch out from their Wright interactions is the right move for them to make, it's so easy to get caught up in trivial shit and it absolutely alters your perspective of the game going forwards, especially this early. Granted, it might not be trivial - only they know what's happening in their hood - but there are 7 other players to worry about, and if you spend all your time and effort focussing on only one slot you're liable to miss certain things others may have done/said

Bonus) I break down in tears every time I realise the similarities between my name and Facebook. In order to help me forget I hit the bottle hard and pray to the dark lord and saviour which seems to be working alright for now bar the shocking hangover I'm left to suffer through the next day. Inevitably down the line someone always notices and points it out again. It's a vicious cycle. Thanks for bringing that up

I am not sure why you are saying this. I think they are scum, and they have nearly triple the posts that I have.

How can I branch outside of them when they won't shut up?

So far they have accused me of dodging, projecting, clogging up the thread, not opining on other players...none of which I am doing, while simultaneously doing all of the above and then saying that I am responsible for making the gamestate bad.

I haven't insulted anybody. but I have been pot-shotted by W&J left and right.

I just want to play a fucking game, you know?

I think they are scum for multiple reasons and you know what would be cool? Is if people engaged with me on those points instead of dismissing this as TvT.

What Gamma is leaving out from my meta with them, is that I picked up on 2 of their scummates in the recent game, before it got compromised. I don't think it was a compromise, I consider scum winning because town was broken.

I feel like they are trying to do the same thing here. They are capitalizing and exploiting my tendency to get into TvT and force a TvT read on them, by pre-emptively discrediting me (I am deranged, I am dumb, etc) but nothing about my actual play.

I am not 100% sure if I am right here, about them being scum, only 98% sure, because of their play in the hood and in the thread.

I stand by my logic and I stand by my read. I might be tunneled, but dayum. There is a lot here, and I don't think I am wrong.

[pirate mollie]

Who is Alice's partner again?

Or are you still adhering to IV/me scum?

I mean, I can't tell. There is a distinct lack of progression in these reads, and scream cog-dis, because you cannot get wild about the idea that IV/me are a scumteam, and vote/push Alice simultaneously.

actually I'm pretty sure koba expressly stated they thought IV/alice was possible
I kinda think you might be town for the IV hood partner

dumbtell

but this makes me feel less good about that

-Justice

Wrt: I am pretty sick and tired of your slot using put downs as a form of engagement, after I have asked you to stop.

I am not putting YOU down, I am scumreading you. There is a big difference.

I did not mean it that way but understood, I'll avoid using that term in the future

-Justice

Thank you.

You need to reign in Dkoba. I have asked several times for them to stop and they are escalating, and I have not responded to them in the way I responded to A50 because I am genuinely trying to play better and not result to insults or put downs, because when I want the site to get better at social engagement in general, and also because you are in the hydra and you are a good egg, and I am not not about to abandon that out-of -game read.

This is about consent, and I don't consent to the playstyle that dkoba is trying to force me into. I am in a position where I feel if I don't report them, they will never stop. There was an entire page of "trying to make Mollie feel bad about herself" in our hood.

Talk to him please. I am not even giving the caveat of "if you are town", because you should do this as either alignment, for the health of the gamestate and the site as a whole.

I really like that more people are participating but I need time to process, and I cannot do it if I am constantly being put down, I have an internal Self-Critic that in the past has brutalized me and to hear an echo of that in a game takes a tremendous amount of energy to overcome.

I CANNOT shake the feeling that you told Dkoba to pick a fight with me, cos people tend to auto townread whenever I get into any spats. His outrage seems very similar to scum!MT in the game we just played, and it felt coached in the same way that dkoba has felt from the start. It smells like scum!you.

[pirate mollie]

Didn't find enough time to catch up, but from few first pages I think Wright and Justice is scum.
1) discussing mechanics and providing optimal strategy is a cheap way to get towncred, you don't need to do reads and probably people wouldn't reveal their hoods anyway. T3 got baited for that.
2) self-meta thing is something scummy as wellg
, I definitely can see Kobba trying to replicate the same style as scum.
If it worked as town why wouldn't it work as scum.

Also Mollie revealing their hood is quite controversial which usually comes from town as you can never know how town will react to that.

Mollie, T3 - town
Wright and Justice - scum

Will read the rest of the thread tomorrow. Probably I'm quite behind.

1) "could be scum" is a shit reason. You are accusing me that I would never do that as town(which is impossible as a) I did it in a previous iteration of this setup, b) I am town this game) so nice try alice
2) I self meta on the regular as town. Wanna get dunked on? I refuse to talk about self meta as *scum* because it makes it harder for me actually. A conclusion with no basis in fact.

Take a shot and reread it.

Alice: why is 1) scum lean and not NAI? That logic only makes sense if you come from it with the notion that they are scum only. Show me why it's AI.

Yes it is not scum only thing of course, but I can see a plan to attack anyone who doesn't abide by proposed startegy to be attacked (Mollie). That's scummy. Other than that which is not talking place here,

when you do mech talk without doing reads.

The only mech talk that they have done, is that I thought that they were scum because of I disagreed with their approach to mech, which simply isn't true.

[pirate mollie]

What other reads do you have AliceK? Anything else?

[pirate mollie]

Hmm

FaceBone I have two requests for when you catch up:

1) What's your read on T3 (if you got one)
2) What's your take on Mollie trying to branch out from the interactions with Wright?

Bonus) Does it hurt your soul knowing your name abbreviated is FB such as Facebook? Do you ever stuff your voodoo head in a textbook to get along with that accursed social platform?

1) I don't know what to make of 373 from T3 exactly, for me Kobas point about a high post count being their town meta could also come from scum!koba. Those self-obvservations (look at me, I'm town because I'm doing this, which I've done in previous games where I was town) from a player of Koba's calibre could easily be fabricated. Why is unprovoked self-meta a towny trait? I might be wrong, but to me it feels more like a paranoid scum trait

I do like how T3 was putting pressure on IV and asking him questions with regards to the vote on WJ in order to help understand IV's thought process to better categorise him, and I agree with his sentiments that people should probably ignore the WJ/Molly for a bit.
He's already slightly touched on Alice, but am curious to hear why he thinks Andre/Flea is possible scum?

My read on him is a slight townlean for now


2) I think Molly trying to branch out from their Wright interactions is the right move for them to make, it's so easy to get caught up in trivial shit and it absolutely alters your perspective of the game going forwards, especially this early. Granted, it might not be trivial - only they know what's happening in their hood - but there are 7 other players to worry about, and if you spend all your time and effort focussing on only one slot you're liable to miss certain things others may have done/said


Bonus) I break down in tears every time I realise the similarities between my name and Facebook. In order to help me forget I hit the bottle hard and pray to the dark lord and saviour which seems to be working alright for now bar the shocking hangover I'm left to suffer through the next day. Inevitably down the line someone always notices and points it out again. It's a vicious cycle. Thanks for bringing that up

I really love this exchange, but

FB why are you not talking to IV in your hood?

[pirate mollie]

Didn't find enough time to catch up, but from few first pages I think Wright and Justice is scum.
1) discussing mechanics and providing optimal strategy is a cheap way to get towncred, you don't need to do reads and probably people wouldn't reveal their hoods anyway. T3 got baited for that.
2) self-meta thing is something scummy as wellg
, I definitely can see Kobba trying to replicate the same style as scum.
If it worked as town why wouldn't it work as scum.

Also Mollie revealing their hood is quite controversial which usually comes from town as you can never know how town will react to that.

Mollie, T3 - town
Wright and Justice - scum

Will read the rest of the thread tomorrow. Probably I'm quite behind.

1) "could be scum" is a shit reason. You are accusing me that I would never do that as town(which is impossible as a) I did it in a previous iteration of this setup, b) I am town this game) so nice try alice
2) I self meta on the regular as town. Wanna get dunked on? I refuse to talk about self meta as *scum* because it makes it harder for me actually. A conclusion with no basis in fact.

Be careful, this enters into trust telling if it's true.

What are you hiding?

Because this reads as a player who knows dkoba's alignment.

Funny story, one of the reasons why trust-telling became a rule sanctioned against, is because of a player who used to do this thing where they would trust tell for a few games to lay down meta claims as town and then purposefully break them as scum. They were a pretty dope player, and loved playing scum.

I really appreciate that you are bringing a much level-headed approach to the conflict but it also feels like you are hiding behind it at the same time. What's going on?

[pirate mollie]

flea why is mollie v koba TvS?

Good timing.

It has potential to be, I disagree with your "mathmatical" approach, there's a 50% chance it's a t/s hood as far as I'm concerned based on mechanical information available.

I've got in shit fights a LOT with Koba. That we're not in one already is honestly amazing.

This is so much more intense to watch than the ones we've been caught in. Koba's always been confident, it's their thing. They are obnoxiously confident even this early (said with all love)

Mollies approach honestly has come across as town to me, I can see no fault in their play. Engaged, realised it was going to get bad, attempted disengage. Koba Hyperfocus kicks in, drags back in.

And this is where my SR on them is coming in. Every time I've been caught up with Koba, there was a still a lot of other interaction, and there was the allowance to at least partially disengage.

Bias tells me Koba is scum, Gamma minimal posting tells me Gamma is either low interest or scum.
Remove the bias, ignoring the potential trust tells, I have to lean scum on them.

That said we're 2 days in and D1 reads are trash anyway. Be nice to get a feeler on others.
Also wanna know what the lawyer heads opinions are seperately on the game so far.

This is a beautiful take on the game, but I disagree that d1 reads are trash. In a 9 player set up with potential d3/d4 endgame possibilities, it is pretty much the groundwork for bottlenecking scum's endgame options.

Do you agree or disagree?

[pirate mollie]

Didn't find enough time to catch up, but from few first pages I think Wright and Justice is scum.
1) discussing mechanics and providing optimal strategy is a cheap way to get towncred, you don't need to do reads and probably people wouldn't reveal their hoods anyway. T3 got baited for that.
2) self-meta thing is something scummy as wellg
, I definitely can see Kobba trying to replicate the same style as scum.
If it worked as town why wouldn't it work as scum.

Also Mollie revealing their hood is quite controversial which usually comes from town as you can never know how town will react to that.

Mollie, T3 - town
Wright and Justice - scum

Will read the rest of the thread tomorrow. Probably I'm quite behind.

1) "could be scum" is a shit reason. You are accusing me that I would never do that as town(which is impossible as a) I did it in a previous iteration of this setup, b) I am town this game) so nice try alice
2) I self meta on the regular as town. Wanna get dunked on? I refuse to talk about self meta as *scum* because it makes it harder for me actually. A conclusion with no basis in fact.

Be careful, this enters into trust telling if it's true.

What are you hiding?

Because this reads as a player who knows dkoba's alignment.

Funny story, one of the reasons why trust-telling became a rule sanctioned against, is because of a player who used to do this thing where they would trust tell for a few games to lay down meta claims as town and then purposefully break them as scum. They were a pretty dope player, and loved playing scum.

I really appreciate that you are bringing a much level-headed approach to the conflict but it also feels like you are hiding behind it at the same time. What's going on?

Just trying to avoid getting pulled in while still trying to be involved if that makes sense. Me and koba clash every game, I want a game without that but I also want to try and solve all 3 of you, honestly.

Well, they were hard townreading you last time I checked in our hood, if that helps.

And I can't blame you. Being on the brunt end of what they are dishing out feels awful.

I have been listening to Beautiful Chorus all morning for a pick me-up. Taking a step back and doing some self-care, but also trying to stay engaged.

[pirate mollie]

D1 reads are trash, we have no basis other than possible pattern recognition and our own biases influencing how tone and stuff is perceived.

Once we have solid information, such as a flip, then D1 is worth looking back over, looking at interactions as then motives are known and context is provided.

I agree that D1 gives us groundwork, but thats all we get. Any progress beyond that today, is likely trash.

It genuinely baffles me how players get D1 lock reads. I don't get to that point until at least D2/D3 and usually with mechanical information.

I disagree. Pattern matching is surface level scum hunting. Determining scum vs town motivation requires more in depth analysis.

Do you agree or disagree with this?

[pirate mollie]

D1 reads are trash, we have no basis other than possible pattern recognition and our own biases influencing how tone and stuff is perceived.

Once we have solid information, such as a flip, then D1 is worth looking back over, looking at interactions as then motives are known and context is provided.

I agree that D1 gives us groundwork, but thats all we get. Any progress beyond that today, is likely trash.

It genuinely baffles me how players get D1 lock reads. I don't get to that point until at least D2/D3 and usually with mechanical information.

I disagree. Pattern matching is surface level scum hunting. Determining scum vs town motivation requires more in depth analysis.

Do you agree or disagree with this?

Addendum, I am not attacking you, I genuinely want to get more in depth about this. If this takes you outside of the game and you feel uncomfortable with it or if it needlessly distracts you, let me know. We can talk about this in MD.

[pirate mollie]

as for flea - are you really claiming im tunneled on mollie right now? And not looking anywhere else?

You have a specific kind of hyperfocus, you do look around but you'll always take a shot at your current primary target where you can. Which is what you're doing. Difference here to previous to me is that those shots are more frequent than I'm used to seeing.

Dont know if that's just because I'm not the primary for once ^_^;

Was partially due to grudge.

Im hashing it out in the hood since its not really game related ish in the sense of necessary to solve either of us. Should be mostly ok from this point forward especially if i have finally stumbled upon the right solve

nah.

If you were trying to make me feel bad on purpose (like there is AN ENTIRE FUCKING GODDAMN PAGE OF YOU INSULTING ME AND DELIBERATELY TRYING TO MAKE ME FEEL BAD ABOUT MYSELF IN OUR HOOD) in order to gain control of the gamestate, then you really need to be out of it.

You have said some things that are against sitewide rules.

[pirate mollie]

OK I want to shelve it and not add onto the fire and talk about it postgame mollie.

So if you please - drop it.

If you want to discuss it further we have a private topic.

I'm not going to unpack and explain right now.

We made progress here. Just focus on that please.

It is clear that you have made the hood an unsafe place to be in.

I am not going to talk to you there, because I want witnesses.

I am now scumreading your slot because Gamma was once a list mod, and is well aware of the direction of the sitewide goal of inclining towards civility as a whole, because it has been toxic for years. He should be telling you to shut the fuck up right now, because you are trying to bully me into submission but it isn't going to work.

What I am trying to parse, is whether or not you came in with a premeditated plan to pick a fight with me or whether you merely anticipated one. Every single bit of that points to Gamma's and your pregame analysis, and it is their alignment I need to determine in order to determine yours.

Gamma knows that site meta historically has been, "pick a fight with Mollie, if you are scum you will get town cleared because she is emotional and she gets toxic when she gets emotional". it is why I took a break, and the world changed and the site sort of got better. At least I thought.

It is Gamma I am trying to read at this point, not you, I just want you to make up your mind about me and leave me the fuck alone.

[pirate mollie]

ok I'm going to put a pin in it for both of you here, if lines have been crossed, report it to the game mod, or use the report button, or talk about it post game and hash it out or just frankly call it done between you both.

we're on 21 pages, and I'm going to reiterate this.

Its like watching 2 kids fighting, coming to tell on the other kid then going back to fighting just far away that you can't hear whats being said. This clearly isn't a good environment for either of you rn and it's already spilled over here.

Stop.

I did.

[pirate mollie]

OK I want to shelve it and not add onto the fire and talk about it postgame mollie.

So if you please - drop it.

If you want to discuss it further we have a private topic.

I'm not going to unpack and explain right now.

We made progress here. Just focus on that please.

It is clear that you have made the hood an unsafe place to be in.

I am not going to talk to you there, because I want witnesses.

I am now scumreading your slot because Gamma was once a list mod, and is well aware of the direction of the sitewide goal of inclining towards civility as a whole, because it has been toxic for years. He should be telling you to shut the fuck up right now, because you are trying to bully me into submission but it isn't going to work.

What I am trying to parse, is whether or not you came in with a premeditated plan to pick a fight with me or whether you merely anticipated one. Every single bit of that points to Gamma's and your pregame analysis, and it is their alignment I need to determine in order to determine yours.

Gamma knows that site meta historically has been, "pick a fight with Mollie, if you are scum you will get town cleared because she is emotional and she gets toxic when she gets emotional". it is why I took a break, and the world changed and the site sort of got better. At least I thought.

It is Gamma I am trying to read at this point, not you, I just want you to make up your mind about me and leave me the fuck alone.

reposting.

Flea, it really worries me that you are trying equalize the level of hostility between us, because I am not being hostile, except very recently, while dkoba has been aggressively putting me down all game. It is a false equivalency that sounds strange coming from you.

[pirate mollie]

Votecount 1.4

innocentvillager(2)

~ HoldenGolden(54), T3(33)

Wright and Justice(1)

~ piratemollie(84)

Facebones(1)

~ innocentvillager(87)

AliceK(1)

~ Wright and Justice(208)


Not Voting (4): Facebones(8), AliceK(5), Flea The Magician(24), Andresvmb(7)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-05 18:49:25)

FLAVOR

I thought AliceK was voting W&J?

[pirate mollie]

OK I want to shelve it and not add onto the fire and talk about it postgame mollie.

So if you please - drop it.

If you want to discuss it further we have a private topic.

I'm not going to unpack and explain right now.

We made progress here. Just focus on that please.

It is clear that you have made the hood an unsafe place to be in.

I am not going to talk to you there, because I want witnesses.

I am now scumreading your slot because Gamma was once a list mod, and is well aware of the direction of the sitewide goal of inclining towards civility as a whole, because it has been toxic for years. He should be telling you to shut the fuck up right now, because you are trying to bully me into submission but it isn't going to work.

What I am trying to parse, is whether or not you came in with a premeditated plan to pick a fight with me or whether you merely anticipated one. Every single bit of that points to Gamma's and your pregame analysis, and it is their alignment I need to determine in order to determine yours.

Gamma knows that site meta historically has been, "pick a fight with Mollie, if you are scum you will get town cleared because she is emotional and she gets toxic when she gets emotional". it is why I took a break, and the world changed and the site sort of got better. At least I thought.

It is Gamma I am trying to read at this point, not you, I just want you to make up your mind about me and leave me the fuck alone.

reposting.

Flea, it really worries me that you are trying equalize the level of hostility between us, because I am not being hostile, except very recently, while dkoba has been aggressively putting me down all game. It is a false equivalency that sounds strange coming from you.

honestly I got OoG trauma shit going on and that was the best equivalency I got. It's by no means meant to imply any sort of equal aggression but its reaching a point I'm considering my actions around my own ongoing health.

self-care love sent your way.

[pirate mollie]

OK I want to shelve it and not add onto the fire and talk about it postgame mollie.

So if you please - drop it.

If you want to discuss it further we have a private topic.

I'm not going to unpack and explain right now.

We made progress here. Just focus on that please.

It is clear that you have made the hood an unsafe place to be in.

I am not going to talk to you there, because I want witnesses.

I am now scumreading your slot because Gamma was once a list mod, and is well aware of the direction of the sitewide goal of inclining towards civility as a whole, because it has been toxic for years. He should be telling you to shut the fuck up right now, because you are trying to bully me into submission but it isn't going to work.

What I am trying to parse, is whether or not you came in with a premeditated plan to pick a fight with me or whether you merely anticipated one. Every single bit of that points to Gamma's and your pregame analysis, and it is their alignment I need to determine in order to determine yours.

Gamma knows that site meta historically has been, "pick a fight with Mollie, if you are scum you will get town cleared because she is emotional and she gets toxic when she gets emotional". it is why I took a break, and the world changed and the site sort of got better. At least I thought.

It is Gamma I am trying to read at this point, not you, I just want you to make up your mind about me and leave me the fuck alone.

Posting on main because

are you serious

? I have not been a listmod at all. How long have you thought that was the case for me???

;
Oh I thought you were at point!

I thought you sided with Glork and Quadz over a mod issue or something in the feedback section and I thought your name was green. Glork was a good egg and Quadz still is. Singer knows how to pick them.

That it wasn't you doesn't change my opinion that you are a good egg, that comes from body of work over several games. It might explain why I have always reacted kindly towards you though.

[pirate mollie]

correction: "I thought you were at one point!"

[pirate mollie]

stand down gamma, we're moving on and focusing on the game

I have almost 60+ hydras and I can promise you that this is not an okay way to talk to a hydra partner.

"Stand down"? WTF even is that shit, Gamma is your equal, not your subordinate.

You should treat them with respect.

What YOU need to do is stop posting. You are bringing the game to a toxic level and you have been warned.

Sit on your hands if you have to. I used to tell Titus this very same thing when we hydra-ed. In text. On phone calls.

How can I possibly look outside of your hydra if you won't shut up for 2 freaking seconds?

[pirate mollie]

Also, she (Titus) has had to say the same thing to me.

[pirate mollie]

i actually don't love that koba backed off me so quickly it's weird and almost pockety that they were lockscum on me and suddenly are voting someone else.

They thought you were the Friendly Neighbor. But then doubled down and got on an IV/Mollie scumteam trajectory and then you claimed, and then they backed off. They were trying to link you to Alice before you claimed a hood with Facebones.

They are looking for the FN. Not scum.

Which has been my point for a while now.

[pirate mollie]

IV:

if you iso them, (trust me, I know it is hard, it is labor intensive and I feel like they are doing this on purpose) you will see Gamma saying that Dkoba had backed off of me/you team, and that Dkoba had said in our hood that they were leaning scum!you/Alice.

I think you are town. YOU might not get it, but I certainly do, YOU have been targeted by them from the get go. They think you are an easy crack. First they went for a scumread on you, then backed off when they thought you were the FN. Then when I defended you a bit for your reaction, which I liked, they jumped to a conclusion that you and I were a scumteam. Maybe thinking that you if you were the FN, you had confirmed yourself to me?

Read their iso.

For someone who's whole gamesolving mech strategy was supposed to protect the FN, does it not strike you as odd that their in-game actions were to put pressure on someone who they thought might be the FN?

I can't get past it. At all.

Also Gamma is dipping cos of conflict in the same way that they did in our recent game where they were scum, only here they can actually help stop the flow of conflict if they wanted to.

And they are choosing not to.

[pirate mollie]

I can't get past it. At all.

Doesn’t seem like you’re really trying, is the thing. Though is really referring to just your general approach to us, not your view on the mech stuff, though I’m sure Koba knows what they’re doing. And I am also trying to help Koba be more chill but it’s in 1 on 1 talks.

-Justice

Is this Gamma or Dkoba?

Because this sounds like something Dkoba would say, not Gamma.

[pirate mollie]

i literally beg anyone to force mollie to provide content on slots other than me i am willing to do anything at this point.


they have now implied i am lying that my first langauge is polish in our hood and i have reached my breaking point after the previous accsuatiion that i faked a post for gamma


please i fucking beg people to step up and force mollie to get into line and stop their bullshit towards me

I asked you what part of Poland you were from, and you didn't answer that question.

And when I asked you to check the box as to whether Polish was your first language, you said no.

[pirate mollie]

You are genuinely acting like children.
I haven't read since my last post because despite this now affecting my freaking health you are continuing.

You really need to stop with the false equivalency bs.

Unless you are in a scum pt with DKoba, you have zero idea what has gone in our hood. I mean there is more than enough stuff where they have put me down here, but you seem to ignore that and are sidelining this and you really need to stop.

Until a list mod sorts it, just stop.

[pirate mollie]

You are both in the fucking wrong here and yes I've tried nicely, I've asked you both to fucking stop because it was affecting my health.
Now I'm just fucking pissed. Take your bullshit to your PT and stop clogging the main fucking thread.

Neither of you are helping town right now and I bet scum are fucking howling with laughter if by some fucking miracle you are t/t

-M

I a fucking fraction of the posts that dkoba has and none of the insults and have repeatedly asked them to stop, which they won't, and I resorted to asking for help from the game mod and a list mod.

I have HATE it when people step in and try to act like they are the teacher and then put the bully with their target in time out.

If you want me to care about your health, how about you start with mine. I started this game off sick as shit and immediately attacked by dkoba. On Thanksgiving. At my sickest.

I have dealt with repeated insults.

How about you peddle out some of that empathy and compassion you seem to want because you are feeling ill?

Imagine being on the other end of this. I also seem to have setback with this crud, thanks for asking.

All I want to do is play a fucking game, why the fuck is that so impossible.

[pirate mollie]

Spoiler: just the sampling of the number of times I've tried to push mollie into talkinga bout anyone but us

For the record mollie has refused to ellaborate kn reads on slots other than myself after being prompted several times.

The IV read feels like bullshit - also objectively it is an exact reaction that has happened from him within a scumgame on d1.

This game isnt the mollie show - so stop acting like it. You're ruining the gamestate and as is im fine policying you on the basis you keeo pushing lies despite having them proven wrong directly and quickly goalpost adjusting in response to some etc.

You're constantly putting my slot on the defensive and try to avoid talking about anyone else but me except to defend IV from us. Why did IV get special treatment? Oh wait you also shaded T3 townreading us.

This is not the play of a townie solving - this is the play of a townie tunneling, or a scum trying to powerwolf against a strong player.

I came into the hood strong and swinging and you interpreted that somehow as scum because either a)youre a townie whos playstyle clashes with how i play or b) you are scum who panicked seeing me in your hood being very proactive.


Give reads on others - in rhe same depth you’re putting forth on me - or die.

I wont budge my vote on you until you sort in more depth outside of me.

Mollie i have to conclude you are scum afraid to tread on toes and spew other people if you refuse to make reads elsewhere btw.
Im trying to push content out of you and you refuse to talk about more than just me and talk in circles about it.

Flea entrance had poor logic basis but it's town thought process for flea - > flea if you're reading this, don't trap yourself into thinking mollie vs I has to be TvS. That's not how it works. People make shit conclusions often as town. This is likely one of them.

I'm aware, I'm watching for a reason. If I get caught in this, then I get caught in my usual pit of treating a biased read as gospel.

I know you're firey, and it's that I'm watching at the moment. I haven't played with you as scum to memory so at this point it's down to hopeful pattern recognition.

My recent scumgames have been super passive and trying to be under the radar for the most part.

Honestly I keep going back and forth on mollie in my head like thinking are they town hardtunneled on me with shit logic or just scum hardfocusing me so they can get me mislimmed while avoiding spewing anyone else. (because I have tried to get them to talk about literally any other slot and its been with limited success) but its more of an 80%-20% town-scum in my head atm.

I think scum are mostly hiding in inactives is my vibe atm and I'm just waiting till it gets obvious those people are just dodging game by wearing them out via endurance for the most part as its hard to case POE rather than case who has talked xD

mollie you keep trying to circle back to talking about our slot - why wont you talk about anyone else?

Koba let me level with ya cause four shots of whiskey makes me want to KASLAM everyone.

I admire your bash stance but it's hard to follow and take you seriously when you constantly rattling off about how someone is discrediting you and ahit. It bloats your posts and adds more fuel to the flame for any would be scum read if your town. I ~think~ me and you even had something similar to you and mollie in brass harald but I can't fucking remember.
I just remember us fighting for a good while Over the tonal beats and stuff though my weak ass bitch ass is a sucker for good town atmosphere and I think I gave up.

Humble up my friend. You don't need harshness to be the leader.

At least can we both agree and actually stick with the no shit talking in the thread cause? If one of ya makes a bad red on another, let someone KASLAMM them and get us more info.

Anyways town atmosphere. We need that fucking shit. We can keep entertaining the shitshw, but we are sorely lacking in content outside of it. It's why for example Wright is prodding in the afks.

Anyfuckingways: I'm wifoming between the two being TvT or TvS due to how the thread was lax during that time. If it's TvS, the partner should of been pushing pressing off but no one did? So either it's TvS with second partner afk or it's TvT since scum is fine with the shit show.

Idk. I want to smoke

(This isn't meant to be mean or condensansing. I'm just noticing I feel irrated already and that's a bad sign)

bless you holden i love you

im also like 4 shots in but im not a lightweight hahaha

alright deal I will stop interacting with mollie - I'm already only responding to mollie within my PT for the most part.

Let's get mollie to actually talk about other slots eh?

You wont engage with us becsuse im smart enough as a player to dissect bad arguments and that kills your push against me if you acknowledge my points

Your summary of the hood is dishonestly framed - as you *yourself* avoided answering the question and never evem asked us back and just assumee we were scummy for not sharing back. This is deranged as hell for a towny. You dont interact with people like that. If you're town here - then fuckint stop ruining the game thread with this projection because its jot helpful
Yes i think theres a chance youre a townie just tossing the game over your own ego. Just own up to it if you are because its not fucking healthy for a solvestate.

If im scum here - how are you gonna find my partner? Js. You haven't even looked to solve outside of me

This game isnt the mollie show - so stop acting like it. You're ruining the gamestate and as is im fine policying you on the basis you keeo pushing lies despite having them proven wrong directly and quickly goalpost adjusting in response to some etc.

You're constantly putting my slot on the defensive and try to avoid talking about anyone else but me except to defend IV from us. Why did IV get special treatment? Oh wait you also shaded T3 townreading us.

This is not the play of a townie solving - this is the play of a townie tunneling, or a scum trying to powerwolf against a strong player.

I came into the hood strong and swinging and you interpreted that somehow as scum because either a)youre a townie whos playstyle clashes with how i play or b) you are scum who panicked seeing me in your hood being very proactive.


Give reads on others - in rhe same depth you’re putting forth on me - or die.

I wont budge my vote on you until you sort in more depth outside of me.

Oh am I that player? No. I'm not. Trying to impose another player's meta on someone is a scum tactic btw

What is your expectation of town me to say? your push is a good show? You're hilarious. Nice try.

What lies? Your premise is entirely on a small interaction in the hood and my views on mech - you misread a post i made towards you then said accused me of not sharing my side (which i think you dont really care about). Your paranoia is overblown to me.

Also youve yet to make any solid reads outside my slot- why do you keep avoiding doing so?

Also thank you for giving thoughts on others but its still a lack of depth that is a stark contrast to how you treat our slot+ no scumreads outside us.
What would a ranked list of reads look like for you?
Also regarding alice - they made a joke about my mixup with the page count and you are interpreting that as a scumread - nice agenda pushing much huh?
Stop putting words into people's mouth

mollie why are you so allergic to posts asking you to look at people outside of us?

You have ignored the prompt *several* times.

just ctrl-f'd "outside" to see how many times we have mentioned mollie to get them to talk about slots that aren't ours - its building up!
and if you go to these posts, mollie has not responded a single time


We also have asked mollie at least twice in hood to sort outside of us.

so what gives mollie why are you dodging trying to make any solid reads?

You outted your mid reads list - I now remember that - but you had not even another scumread there and it was super weak reasoning compared to what you were pushing at us. Quite a disproportionate difference - are you not reading the game or ?

Oh no this is all 1 person for the most part.

all posts from gamma are signed "Justice"

I am very capable of solo posting this much.

And I was done after my last post.

I do notice you still refuse to talk about IV and dance around making reads or interacting with content that implies sorting other slots - which is incredibly scummy.

If you wish to just keep making the case for us by proving our point about that continuously - go right ahead. I have no qualms about an easy town win.

At the moment I'm 100% sure the solve is within IV/Mollie/Alice and leaning hard on IV/Mollie purely with everyone else town.
-Wright

hey mollie in case you havent noticed, everyone else wants you to shut the fuck up about our slot and talk about other people.

just like a hint - as I've said several times recently in our PT.

Have fun tho I don't mind you digging your hole deeper, I gave you a ladder but you swiped it away.

In case people do want to know - i, while drunk, tried to push mollie into going in the direction of solving slots outside of me and not just talking about our slot as it was getting frustrating for me to constantly be unable to get mollie to stop discussing me and actually give thoughts on other people.

I did so in a way that nitpicked their entire play and pointed out things that were objectively scummy to continue to do on top of other things. Which was out of frustration with how mollie was treating the game and me.

I don't want to continue discussing this during the game and have another 3 pages of mollie vs me so this is the last you will hear about it in this thread until the postgame.

at least im pushing to actually correct this issue and have tried to reach out

@Flea what do you think of the vibes of the few posts Alice has made?
Perhaps outline how you feel if I were confirmed town vs confirmed scum in the scenario, in terms of how Alice has primarily sniped at my slot.


Their ISO is short, only 5 posts, so shouldn't be too difficult.

I will make you a deal.

How about you shut the fuck up for 24 hours and let things get sorted and then I will give a fully detailed list.

[pirate mollie]

give a read on holden and i will stop posting for 24 hours 100% - that is my deal.

You have to shut up first.

When I tried to interact with them to get a feel, you fucking spammed an entire goddamn page of putdowns. You have been asked by me, and you have been asked by a power greater than me, to stop.

I change my mind about just wanting you to stop insulting me and i now want you to stop doing what the power greater than us has asked you to do.

If you want to move forward in good faith, then let me interact with everyone BUT you, I can't do it with your near triple the post count that I have, and your barrage of overall dickheadedness aimed at my slot.

Any time I try to talk to anyone outside of you, you make 10 posts to my 1.

You don't even have to respond to this post. Just stop talking for 24 hours. I will give you your Holden post when I have more interaction with them.

[pirate mollie]

You are both in the fucking wrong here and yes I've tried nicely, I've asked you both to fucking stop because it was affecting my health.
Now I'm just fucking pissed. Take your bullshit to your PT and stop clogging the main fucking thread.

Neither of you are helping town right now and I bet scum are fucking howling with laughter if by some fucking miracle you are t/t

-M

I a fucking fraction of the posts that dkoba has and none of the insults and have repeatedly asked them to stop, which they won't, and I resorted to asking for help from the game mod and a list mod.

And you're still going. In thread too. Doesn't matter if its a fraction, I can make 1 post here and now and instigate both of you more or get banned. We have a literal fraction of posts in this game.

Quality not quantity.

I have HATE it when people step in and try to act like they are the teacher and then put the bully with their target in time out.

Maybe recognise the game state as being shit and make a better effort when several people have requested to take the bullshit to PTs?

If you want me to care about your health, how about you start with mine. I started this game off sick as shit and immediately attacked by dkoba. On Thanksgiving. At my sickest.

Take your trauma dump and do one. We got our own lil pile of wintery bullshit to deal with without yours.

Spoiler: Our own little trauma dump

You realise we can't actually put ourselves first because of bullshit attitudes like that?

Oh and Native Genoside Celebration Day ain't a thing in the UK, cause lets face it we'd have it every day.

I have dealt with repeated insults.

Report them.

How about you peddle out some of that empathy and compassion you seem to want because you are feeling ill?

Funny thing, we don't want empathy or compassion. We ask for Patience and nothing more because we're know we're not entitled to any of the first two. We're not entitled to the 3rd either if we're honest but frankly if we get it or not isn't our problem, cause we're taking our sweet ass time

Imagine being on the other end of this. I also seem to have setback with this crud, thanks for asking.

We've been on it, repeatedly. Disengage, report, move on.

All I want to do is play a fucking game, why the fuck is that so impossible.

Ain't that a fuckin mood.

-M

I did. They were told to stop. They aren't and I suppose I need to appeal to greater authorities other than a game mod.

I did step back. I tried to have a conversation with other players, my reward was to have my hood spammed with put downs.

Why are not you telling THEM to take a step back when they are the source of the problem.

What the fuck am I supposed to do if they won't stop and I reported them and they were told to stop and they really aren't doing that?

And I am really not understanding why you are not calling them out on it if you have ever have recipient end of it like you claimed?

[pirate mollie]

Difference is they reacted calmly and didn't come to us hackles raised.

They did this the second I raised suspicion about them and didn't go along with their plan. I have been trying to talk to Gamma all game, cause I can get a better read on them. What I have been trying to determine is if this aggressive overreaction is coming from a resentment they had pregame (which would make it genuine) or if Gamma told Dkoba that if they got into it with me, and soak up my time, they were guaranteed to get townread (scum motivated).

Morning Tweet did this by overblowing fake outrage at my misreading of one her posts, and she was Gamma's scum partner. She soaked up half a page with her bluster.

Gamma still hasn't answered that question to them. And I stopped replying to Dkoba ever since I asked for help, except for one post where I reached out because of a Polish commonality and they got weirdly defensive about it. Gamma, who are the only ones I am responding to, posted and I explained how it came across as an ethnic slur/dog whistle and I am not okay with that. Apparently I misinterpreted their over-defensiveness of it.

Mine and Gamma's exchanges have been fine. With Dkoba, I feel like I am interacting with FOX news. "Stand down Gamma" wtf is that shit? lmao

I do not believe that Gamma made that one post signed by Justice.

I honestly think they are scum. I still think Gamma is a good egg, but still scum, and I think they are hiding behind Dkoba's playstyle a bit. Dkoba is a bad egg and seems like obvious scum to me.

I had a good case but it has been buried. Not a sinlge person has refuted it, not one, including W&J.

I think I might have gained 24 hours of peace, and I need to make good on my end of the bargain,
so:

@Holden

- let's tango

@AliceK

- could you plz unpack your W&J/Holden for me? I feel I see where I might getting that, because Dkoba referred to mine's and our hood as TvT before we had even interacted. I felt like Dkoba was trying to force me into perception that they were town, and that they knew that I was. Holden immediately jumped to TvT, it was the post that I reposted and bookmarked. I want to engage with Holden in order to get a feel so I can get a better read.

My read on Holden is the only read that Dkoba is weirdly obsessed with, and they are townreading them. Wouldn't my opinions on Alice and Facebones be more important, since they are scumreading them? But w/e I am giving it a rest. Y'all either see it or you don't.

I did find Holden's comment about Facebones abbreviating to be funny though. My absolute favorite post in the entire thread so far <3. It would make my heart sing if I could get a townread on them.

[pirate mollie]

Speakth the Dark Twink One's name and They shall arise.

I did find Holden's comment about Facebones abbreviating to be funny though. My absolute favorite post in the entire thread so far <3. It would make my heart sing if I could get a townread on them.

"Certification of Towniness:

I hereby declare HoldenGolden the Greeniest Donkey Sheriff around for his shitty humor and ugly mule face.

Signed Ex List Mod Micc"

There, you got a townread on me. Totally legit!

I don't really understand what you are doing here? I mean, I am not reading you as town. Yu are yet to be determined with a scumlean by my standards.

Have you iso-ed W&J? I am not engaging in meta, I am asking if you have looked at them in isolation. I was going through it and there is a

lot

there that doesn't add up and it seems like town!you would pick up on that.

So why aren't you?

I'm riding bus home from classes so we can tango more while I catch up, though I did want to remind you that the post you bookmarked didn't actually call it TvT. I called it TvS. I believe due to everything (and I recall the bbcode fucking up) you might of missed me clearing that by quote-linking my progression in a post two days ago. Unless I'm being daft and misremembering.[/quote]

[pirate mollie]

I don't really understand what you are doing here? I mean, I am not reading you as town. Yu are yet to be determined with a scumlean by my standards.

Have you iso-ed W&J? I am not engaging in meta, I am asking if you have looked at them in isolation. I was going through it and there is a lot there that doesn't add up and it seems like town!you would pick up on that.

So why aren't you?

I was being cheeky. You said your heart would sing if you could 'get' a townread on me so I 'gave' you one.

Just to be clear, by meta you are talking about the buddy stuff? That's the only thing I have mentioned other then answering their question of if I read their posts containing meta. I am not sure where meta can up here.

[/meta][/quote]

No. I don't even know what you are talking about here. I asked if you had read them in isolation. It is a simple yes or no question.

Not much has changed on W/J since I last responded to you about them expect they have slid a little more down into middle of the pack/null range

outside of ya'll dynamic

. Gamma hasn't preformed to my liking in hopes of clearing up their slot. I wish they would post a bit more tbh. My biggest grip with Dkobba is their push switching doesn't make the most since from my perspective. While I don't mind (and even think it's townie) to drop and instantly pick up a new target, stuff like the random red Facebone think jut out to me as odd. Hence why I am asking them about it.

Why did you have them as town in the first place?

In terms of some of the points you have made, some I concede are true. One I don't see through the thread the premeditated logic. It implies some bait had to be laid for you, but looking back at the start of the day, that really doesn't seem to be the case. I think the ramp up in hostility was faster then what I would expect, yet hoods make that difficult to understand especially since we got conflicting stances from both of you. You may of missed it in my spoiler post, but how well did Gamma know you before your break?

Not that well. I just always got the impression that they were a good egg, despite us never having a real altercation. I think with Gamma, there was a misunderstanding between Gamma and I in the recent we game we played. We are working on clearing it up I think, sort of, they aren't talking much but their reach outs have been sincere, just NAI in my opinion. The reach outs feel like sunshine, but in a very NAI way.

Personally I am trying to look into Facebone and the rest to A) expand the topics being discussed in the thread and B) because they are easier for me to sort. Since I answered some of what you are interested in, what do you think about my IV and Facebone points?

I think IV is town. There was an opportunity that presented itself for IV to foment the rage W&J has towards me, but they opted not to and tried to actually sort things out. I am unsure on Facebones, they are a low content poster who is standing on the sidelines and feeding the fire.

[pirate mollie]

Also Mollie, what is town!me suppose to be seeing according to your eyes?

Is it really safe to make a case? I thought the one I made was pretty potent and it seems like if town!you disagreed with it, then you would have addressed it by now.

What more do you need? I am asking sincerely, I know that I am direct and that it can be off putting sometimes.

I have a limited window, and I want to make the most use of it. Do you want me to engage with you and firm up a read, and give more reads on the rest of the playerlist, or do you want me to scroll through W&J's posts and point to the cog dis in their posts that I felt you should have been able to pick up?

Because one results in a +20 negative responses from W&J that will cause pages of mud, and the other helps me to explore outside their read on them which is something that they are asking me to do. What are your priorities here?

[pirate mollie]

Spoiler: off topic

humaneatingmonkey came back for like a month in july and made a gtkas and you were one of his favorite players onsite

who and what are you even talking about here?

[pirate mollie]

Corrected, because thinks they are being slick with the tags:

I don't really understand what you are doing here? I mean, I am not reading you as town. Yu are yet to be determined with a scumlean by my standards.

Have you iso-ed W&J? I am not engaging in meta, I am asking if you have looked at them in isolation. I was going through it and there is a lot there that doesn't add up and it seems like town!you would pick up on that.

So why aren't you?

I was being cheeky. You said your heart would sing if you could 'get' a townread on me so I 'gave' you one.

Just to be clear, by meta you are talking about the buddy stuff? That's the only thing I have mentioned other then answering their question of if I read their posts containing meta. I am not sure where meta can up here.

No. I don't even know what you are talking about here. I asked if you had read them in isolation. It is a simple yes or no question.

Not much has changed on W/J since I last responded to you about them expect they have slid a little more down into middle of the pack/null range

outside of ya'll dynamic

. Gamma hasn't preformed to my liking in hopes of clearing up their slot. I wish they would post a bit more tbh. My biggest grip with Dkobba is their push switching doesn't make the most since from my perspective. While I don't mind (and even think it's townie) to drop and instantly pick up a new target, stuff like the random red Facebone think jut out to me as odd. Hence why I am asking them about it.

Why did you have them as town in the first place?

In terms of some of the points you have made, some I concede are true. One I don't see through the thread the premeditated logic. It implies some bait had to be laid for you, but looking back at the start of the day, that really doesn't seem to be the case. I think the ramp up in hostility was faster then what I would expect, yet hoods make that difficult to understand especially since we got conflicting stances from both of you. You may of missed it in my spoiler post, but how well did Gamma know you before your break?

Not that well. I just always got the impression that they were a good egg, despite us never having a real altercation. I think with Gamma, there was a misunderstanding between Gamma and I in the recent we game we played. We are working on clearing it up I think, sort of, they aren't talking much but their reach outs have been sincere, just NAI in my opinion. The reach outs feel like sunshine, but in a very NAI way.

Personally I am trying to look into Facebone and the rest to A) expand the topics being discussed in the thread and B) because they are easier for me to sort. Since I answered some of what you are interested in, what do you think about my IV and Facebone points?

I think IV is town. There was an opportunity that presented itself for IV to foment the rage W&J has towards me, but they opted not to and tried to actually sort things out. I am unsure on Facebones, they are a low content poster who is standing on the sidelines and feeding the fire.[/quote]

[pirate mollie]

*Holden thinks they are being slick with the tags

I think that is why George Bailey highlighted your name in unbolded red, I think. The bbc code messes up if I requote your [/m e t a ] post intacted.

Did you know that would happen?

[pirate mollie]

I wasn’t kidding when I said I’d not be able to be rlly active until at least Wednesday
Also: I would not have approved of Koba using my tag to veil their thoughts, primary reason being that I feel a kinship with actual character of Apollo Justice, and given that I prefer that we stick to the tags we opted for initially. I can be snide when I want to, I just try not to go overboard with it.

Also: I kinda forgot what mollie was trying to ask me because I saw her mention something regarding me not answering it and I am drawing a blank about it

Also also: to the point about Koba focusing on making mollie read Holden, pretty sure that’s just meant as a first step.

-Justice

I find it hard to believe that Dkoba is coaching you. It's what they are insinuating. It wasn't snide, the comment sounded almost worshipful. Of Dkoba,

Anyways, my question to you is what your pregame notes were to Dkoba, because they made TvT early on and then picked a fight with me. I want to know what you told them. Their rage seems manufactured in the same way that your scum partner MT's did in our recent game. I have said this in the gamethread and in our hood.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie. You are pointing out everything that Koba is doing wrong and is just not attempting to sort them in good faith. Please stop. Your conflict with Koba is taking up the entire thread and it’s harder to sort.

Actually, I am just trying to have a conversation with Holden. I am trying to figure out how he thinks because he was weirdly silent when I made my case and I am wondering why. I don't even care if Holden addresses my points. We can talk about something else if he wants to.

I just want to get inside his head and try to sort his alignment. I think I can do that best through dialogue.

I would like to move on.

[pirate mollie]

Hey Mollie?

I mean this nicely, but you need to read the thread closer.

For example:

No.

I don't even know what you are talking about here.

I asked if you had read them in isolation.

It is a simple yes or no question

.

Have you iso-ed W&J?

I am not engaging in meta, I am asking if you have looked at them in isolation.

I was going through it and there is a lot there that doesn't add up and it seems like town!you would pick up on that.

You brought up meta to this discussion at that time. I had just done a catch up and I wasn't sure what you were exactly referring to by it. Thus I ask what meta are you talking about. It's not as complicated as you make it out to be.

The post that 608 responds to also includes my stance on Dkobba which conflicts with the underline. I did answer it -- regardless if you liked it. This ties back in with the TvT stuff. Even other people in the thread like IV were saying that it was TvS when you made those posts. Yet, you kept saying it was TvT. Stuff like that

Never once have I ever said it was TvT. Dkoba said it was before we even interacted. It came across as trying to force a perception. In the bookmark you went from a SvS, to TvS, to possible TvT.

It really fells you are more invested in trying to prove people are scum rather then scum hunting. I mean, you jumped on T3 here for a post that says it is unrelated to game which implies you didn't also read my catch up post.

Could you please point to that post that you are talking about here? I really don't remember jumping on T3 for anything, I just wondered at one point if they were playing the "too scummy to be scum" card. I am intrigued that they were endgamed 5 times as scum.

*Holden thinks they are being slick with the tags

I think that is why George Bailey highlighted your name in unbolded red, I think. The bbc code messes up if I requote your [/m e t a ] post intacted.

Did you know that would happen?

You forgot a quote start bracket hence why it broke and when you quote the original one, it fixes the post. Try it. Press quote on 608.

1) Nope, it is also against the rules I believe
2) The meta tag you are referring to was added in on your reply. My post's code doesn't actually contained it.
3) [meta][/meta] aren't actual bbcode handlers and such wouldn't impact anything.

I thought all I did was remove the meta tag but maybe I inadvertently changed the quote tag in the process.. I thought it was funny and I thought the mod thought it was funny too, hence why they referred to it. I didn't know it was against the rules. You know I think you are funny, right? I think you bring a much levity to the game and I kinda love it

This accusation is actually pretty serious for what is outlined in 1). I would normally forgive it, but

you seem to have added the meta tag which you are claiming breaks the bbcode.

Regardless of your actual role: if you are scum, that's really fucking low and toxic. If you are town, you really need to be more careful and track . You aren't coming off as 'direct' but rather unwilling to parse things.
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I spent all the free time I had before class writing this on mobile. When I'm done, I'll engage with the rest of your post. 612 just really got to me and I want to set it straight first.

[/quote]

Huh? The only tags I added were tags. And I apologize, I certainly meant no offense, like I said I thought it was funny, I certainly wasn't trying to get you in trouble. I think I misunderstood the tags rule, I always thought it was mod related. Like you couldn't use mod tags or something. I never really understood the rule, to be perfectly honest. I thought it was an IT thing.

I just thought you were being slick! Like a funny pun.

But I am sorry that you took it that what, it isn't what I meant.

[pirate mollie]

I find it hard to believe that Dkoba is coaching you. It's what they are insinuating. It wasn't snide, the comment sounded almost worshipful. Of Dkoba,

Anyways, my question to you is what your pregame notes were to Dkoba, because they made TvT early on and then picked a fight with me. I want to know what you told them. Their rage seems manufactured in the same way that your scum partner MT's did in our recent game. I have said this in the gamethread and in our hood.

lol, if it sounds worshipful of Koba it might just be, they have been a pretty great person in my experience. As heated as things can get in games, outside of them Koba is a genuinely nice person.
And my pregame notes were basically non-existent but I did say at gamestart I figured you’d be paranoid of me and I didn’t rlly know how to read you, and tbh the fact you didn’t seem to exhibit that paranoia in a way I expected is kinda what makes me distrust you (aside from the meta lies, those are bad)

-Justice

Reaaly

?

I will keep this in mind moving forward and trust your judgement of them then. Thank you.

If you knew that I would be paranoid of you then why did you act all surprised and indignant when I joked and said that I was gonna vote you outta spite with a cute emoji?

[pirate mollie]

Sorry for being inactive for so long. I think should be prodded... Can anyone give me a short catchup?

W&J is pushing for your lim and you have an outstanding question to you, about what you meant when you said that Holden and W&J seem to have the same agenda.

Could you plz answer that one?

[pirate mollie]

I felt worse than I anticipated yesterday, but I will return to this tonight. I don’t have much time during the day unfortunately.

Hhhh...

[pirate mollie]

Do you have a readslist T3?

[pirate mollie]

If you knew that I would be paranoid of you then why did you act all surprised and indignant when I joked and said that I was gonna vote you outta spite with a cute emoji?

Because as I said, that wasn’t a win, though if the amount to lim was kept straight it might have been, but we were basically at the knife’s edge if we didn’t get the miselim in 10p

-Justice

Okay, that is not how it read, but I am willing to do a reset for the time being.

What do you think about Flea? Actually, what are your reads? I know Dkoba thinks it is FB and Alice, but what are

your

reads?

[pirate mollie]

You have a lot of interest in me currently mollie, whats

your

read on me currently? You've asked a few people and nothing comes to mind when I think of you mentioning a read on me recently.

Well, I came into the game with the expectation that we would get along and that if we both town, we would have a bonding experience. It is clear you have no interest in that.

I only have one game with you, and you were reads were the worst in the game. I think you lack discernment.

So I am going to try to sort you through POE. I am just going to leave you alone and work on figuring out other people.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie
Wj
Holden
Facebones
Flea
IV/Andres
Alice

I disagree with this list, but I have noticed that you have navigating the entire game from this perspective and that there is internal consistency with your external output (posts). So are going into the town pile for now.

[pirate mollie]

Also we only have 4 more days before the day round auto ends.

[pirate mollie]

You have a lot of interest in me currently mollie, whats

your

read on me currently? You've asked a few people and nothing comes to mind when I think of you mentioning a read on me recently.

Well, I came into the game with the expectation that we would get along and that if we both town, we would have a bonding experience. It is clear you have no interest in that.

I only have one game with you, and you were reads were the worst in the game. I think you lack discernment.

So I am going to try to sort you through POE. I am just going to leave you alone and work on figuring out other people.

Ok well if you're going to talk to me like that then frankly this game just got a lot less enjoable.

I asked a simple question, got a character attack and talked down too followed by a screw you. Lovely.
Never got the answer to the question either.

?

I meant no offense by it. We all have bad games. I have plenty of them.

I also have ridiculously good games. It's just that my bad games are legendary and hilarious...for scum.

But I haven't had any games since I came back though except my scumgame has gone to shit. But my reads have been weirdly accurate. Especially of late.

[pirate mollie]

*bad games

[pirate mollie]

Also I did answer you. You are to be POE-ed out and I kinda don't really want to interact with you to try to get one. You keep take everything I say to as some sort of insult. And your continual referencing mine and Dkoba's kerfuffle after it has obviously been dealt with sounds like scumplaining.

Or you could just be misguided town.

So I am trying to see what Gamma thinks of you to see if I can read you that way. But YOU seem determined to pick a fight. And that is scummy to me, given the circumstances of the game. Now you are not acknowledging how much the gamestate has suddenly improved.

Hi Dkoba! I got your read! I think I might be leaning town on Holden. Maybe.

[pirate mollie]

Also I did answer you. You are to be POE-ed out and I kinda don't really want to interact with you to try to get one. You keep take everything I say to as some sort of insult. And your continual referencing mine and Dkoba's kerfuffle after it has obviously been dealt with sounds like scumplaining.

Or you could just be misguided town.

So I am trying to see what Gamma thinks of you to see if I can read you that way. But YOU seem determined to pick a fight. And that is scummy to me, given the circumstances of the game. Now you are not acknowledging how much the gamestate has suddenly improved.

Hi Dkoba! I got your read! I think I might be leaning town on Holden. Maybe.

eta: This was directed to Flea.

[pirate mollie]

I think Flea is town, faer thought process so far seems rather genuine
me and koba have been pretty synced in our reads I would say, which is nice because it's sometimes a struggle to do that for me

-Justice

It is a struggle with me too. Mine and majiffy's Beauty and the Beast hydra was so bad I am shocked we never got banned from games, lol. We used to fight over the vote in the game thread.

I am not really loving Alice's asking for a catch up and then dips.

[pirate mollie]

Flea, I am not getting into it with you. Period.

I am skimming your posts to keep and to be fair to the game. I am not responding or interacting with your posts any more because I don't think I can further my read doing that.

I think you want to pick a fight for whatever reason, and I am not gonna.

Last post responding to you. I am done.

[pirate mollie]

Well, I am to make on more post to you, but this can be considered an out of game post. I am not kidding. I am not fighting with you no how matter hard you try.

Fine by me honestly, I won't be joining any further games with you present due to the manipulations and trauma dumping you've displayed here and I would expect you to not join any I am present in.

I don't think the term "trauma dumping" means what you think it means. It's a term that both Esurio and LLD have used in GD and that is good! They are both IRL therapists and educated in what the word means and know to apply it contextually. It seems like now though, it has become a popular buzzword used in games, by some people who have no education and are not trained therapists. This is problematic for the site as whole because it trivializes trauma itself, and a lot of people come to this site with undealt with trauma and the site needs to be a safe place where it isn't weaponized against them.

A little about my background for context: I am an Licensed Bodywork Therapist who specializes in sexual trauma recovery. Mostly what I do nowadays though, is Activism and Non-Profit Community Outreach Programs. My organization just got the Humanitarian Award this past year.

Anyhoo, consider this an OOG post with a reiteration that I am not going to fight with you.

[pirate mollie]

So I had a thought. I've been reading these odd and morbid manuscripts of unspeakable evil and have ponder its applications. In a fit of transcendent brilliance, I realize that one could infuse the negative social energies of a cud de sac into a being. Thus my work begun beating an AI with a digitally crafted stick. The pain mirroring that of which we all have felt, one time or another. In the end, the sickening sacrifice was finished and now it paints its pixelated surfaces with its dread. Like all artist, it's depressed and inflicted with deep rooted daddy issues. Like Picasso or myself. However Like all good entertainers, repression hides the all consuming void of illness to fulfill commissions.

Signor Wombo.ai bespeaks that you gaze upon its newest psychedelic piece dubbed 'Happy Mafia'.

Spoiler: Happy Mafia

Let's us all admire and treasure this new addition to the game while willfully ignoring that the donkey has been busy with LDOC and finals starting Friday.

(Catching up now)

You could be a copped confirmed scumlordz and I wouldn't ever vote this game because of the levity you bring to it.

No fair!

Fortunately I think you might be town this game. Where are you at with your reads?

I am very much liking IV for town. I kinda get a decent vibe from T3 but they are one to watch due to their apparent longevity in games as scum.

Andres has yet to play. I personally kind of like yours and FB's exchanges. Alice isn't following up on any of her posts.

And that's where I am at.

[pirate mollie]

Oh shoot, we have 4 and a half days left.

Everyone vote someone even if it's just a hunch rn

VOTE: Facebone

Dear Holden,

Please don't be scum. It would crush my hopes and

dreams, and break my heart.

Yours truly,

Mollie

[pirate mollie]

Spoiler:

(I like to think that's why I used get to last-elim so often. Scum didn't want to kill me for the jokes and town was too charmed to ever consider elim me )

I believe it, I can't escape the feeling that is exactly what you are doing in this game, and I am like, "It's okay, I am okay with this..." [insert hypnotized eyes emoji]

against my better judgement.

The interesting thing about scum picks, is that they are the exact same as W&J's and seems suspiciously

safe

to me.

[pirate mollie]

Spoiler:

(I like to think that's why I used get to last-elim so often. Scum didn't want to kill me for the jokes and town was too charmed to ever consider elim me )

I believe it, I can't escape the feeling that is exactly what you are doing in this game, and I am like, "It's okay, I am okay with this..." [insert hypnotized eyes emoji]

against my better judgement.

The interesting thing about scum picks, is that they are the exact same as W&J's and seems suspiciously

safe

to me.

*your scum picks

[pirate mollie]

Actions speak louder than words

did you also watch TTB recently

What is TTB?

[pirate mollie]

i actually don't love that koba backed off me so quickly it's weird and almost pockety that they were lockscum on me and suddenly are voting someone else.

They thought you were the Friendly Neighbor. But then doubled down and got on an IV/Mollie scumteam trajectory and then you claimed, and then they backed off. They were trying to link you to Alice before you claimed a hood with Facebones.

They are looking for the FN. Not scum.

Which has been my point for a while now.

I mean I am coming to the same conclusion. It’s actually somewhat blatant.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie
Wj
Holden
Facebones
Flea
IV/Andres
Alice

I can see where this is coming from.

Btw if AliceK flips Scum, execute IV without prejudice.

Why IV?

[pirate mollie]

Also, perhaps I need to detail why I’m being so skeptical of W&J. Because as much as I hate to say it, they will do anything and everything to win within the bounds of the game. I have seen them get into heated fights with their Partners, absolutely railroad players that weren’t sufficiently loud but had a good grasp for what was happening, engage in blatant manipulation, claim a nonsensical PR (and get away with it!), and even outright spam the thread as Scum. Everything that’s been said about their Town game is accurate btw - it’s based a lot on gut and emotion, but it tends to be mighty accurate. They can also switch on a dime. Which is why it’s so hard to pin them down early, and why I would caution anyone about forming a hard read of the slot unless they’re leading consecutive Scum executions and truly don’t make sense as Scum (though by then, they’re usually just NK’ed).

I have found that the only way to read players like this is to read them through town perspective and then a scum perspective. The combined spam posting + pr hunting points to a non-town alignment.

I didn't find Holden's case towny since it is predicated on IV's readslist being scummy for being nuanced. I

do

wonder how much of this is impacted by my hard tr on IV.

I also find it interesting that Holden is saying that when a game is this sludgey, it usually indicates that scum are okay with the gamestate - which seems to be slowly moving to an AliceK lim - and then says that they will lim Alicek.

Let's be honest, at that point in the game, town was too dysfunctional for AliceK to be a scum!lim.

My biggest thing on Holden is that he is trying to force a narrative (scummy motivated) rather than to probe deeper into why there is a lack of a town cohesive one (town motivated).

And there is Gamma, and Gamma is pretty scummy here.

eta: lol. I guess Gamma went AWOL. That isn't Gamma., lmao

[pirate mollie]

So when you and Dkoba were comparing notes, did you tell him that I tend to get into TvT's? That would make sense with what is in our hood.

We have never gotten into a TvT, ever. You know why? Because you are a good egg. Why? because you are

decent person

. You don't posture, you don't bully people, you don't stomp around and belittle people and try to make them feel bad about themselves. Not in any game ever, when we played together.

The only reason I am pushing you is because I firmly believe you two to be scum, both independently and combined. You know Dkoba's reactions are bad. He is coming from a position of trying to control the narrative vs finding scum. The push on IV was ridiculous.

[pirate mollie]

I am just going to let things rest, and allow people to figure things out for themselves.

But, in case anyone is still listening to me, in our hood Dkoba said that they would imitate Gamma in a heart beat if they were scum, they are not outside of their scumrange.

That is all.

[pirate mollie]

its been a sludge because the 2 main pushes have been mostly quiet and not active and hey - that kinda makes it *hard* to get movement.


notice how nobody is sheeping you on my slot now?

Are you a scumhunting genius now? That you can see through me so well when others have seen the same evidence and said basically "nah thats fucking NAI garbage"

humble thyself.

Koba I have seen you dismiss cases against your slot this forcefully as Scum though, so maybe take it down a notch? You can disagree with piratemollie’s case without minimizing their actual ability as Town.

I would settle for them addressing my case and the points I have made against them. Instead of frequenting with taunts and personal attacks.

That would be nice.

[pirate mollie]

I didn't find Holden's case towny since it is predicated on IV's readslist being scummy for being nuanced. I

do

wonder how much of this is impacted by my hard tr on IV.

I also find it interesting that Holden is saying that when a game is this sludgey, it usually indicates that scum are okay with the gamestate - which seems to be slowly moving to an AliceK lim - and then says that they will lim Alicek.

Let's be honest, at that point in the game, town was too dysfunctional for AliceK to be a scum!lim.

My biggest thing on Holden is that he is trying to force a narrative (scummy motivated) rather than to probe deeper into why there is a lack of a town cohesive one (town motivated).

And there is Gamma, and Gamma is pretty scummy here.

eta: lol. I guess Gamma went AWOL. That isn't Gamma., lmao

Well, here is where I would disagree. Holden could be wrong about IV. There’s some really excellent Town players out there, and still no one has 100% accuracy. But the way the case was laid out and explained - that to me seemed to come from a Towny mindset.

Holden has done this a lot (and it’s something I do too) which I think speaks to such a mindset: they lay down a general point of view as to what it is they’re looking for, and then they explain how it might be what they’re observing a specific player do. Holden has basically argued - Scum need to leave multiple avenues open for executions early in games, because they don’t know how the game is going to develop (and they need flexibility), and so they’re more likely to express wishy washy reads (I’m summarizing rather crudely, but I could quote the posts and I think it’s somewhat fair). Town on the other hand is just trying to figure out who is Town and who is Scum, so they might argue more forcefully for a specific read early in the game (on average, Scum do tunnel, it varies, but you get the gist). What was IV doing? Being wishy washy, expressing significant uncertainty with every read they made, and in fact repeatedly emphasized how they didn’t have any Town Reads or Scum Reads (just Leans). You might disagree with the assumptions or the conclusion, but it’s clear where Holden is coming from. That’s Town indicative to me. I could be wrong in assuming that obviously. So you could question

my

assumption, or highlight inconsistencies, or perhaps argue that there’s a specific agenda behind what Holden is doing or it’s not sufficiently well reasoned. But I didn’t read Holden’s case and think to myself “this is a reach”, or “this seems superficial”. It can be wrong, and it’s not beyond what a solid Scum player can do, but I have to go off of what I have now and I don’t find it Scummy.

On the point about the game state, I don’t know if the point about the game sort of being stagnant was made when AliceK was the leading vote getter - I would have to check. The general point is something I’ve felt in other instances, so I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand.

I would prefer if you could detail specifically how Holden is pushing out a narrative instead of solving the game. I don’t think you’ve conclusively made that point.

And I don’t know if Gamma has been all that Scummy. Them getting all sensitive about how I’m discussing their contribution to the hydra far more often comes from Town than Scum I feel, so not sure I would agree with that.

I am going to process this a bit.

Your soft defense of Holden reads like a bit of a chainsaw, but I also feel like you deserve a better response and that will take time.

[pirate mollie]

Okay I think I have given enough time on this and I’m not getting a response.

I highlighted 701 in the way that I did because in my hood with AliceK, Alice did something very similar to start the conversation. They told me they had a secret to share, and that they were Scum. In response, I indicated that I was fascinated by the reaction test, and would not use it against her if she was using that to see if I was Scum by taking the easy out.

Though the test itself didn’t ping me any which way, I thought it was fascinating that Facebones faced the exact same reaction test in their hood. That’s a bizarre coincidence. It seems almost pre-planned, but I am also thinking that it’s a completely silly way of giving away the Team.

This is why I’m arguing that if AliceK flips Scum, then IV should get executed.

Okay, I am following you.

Thanks, this makes a lot more sense now.

[pirate mollie]

facebones posted more analysis in our hood and it's starting to concern me that the solve isn't facebones/alice i think he might just give up if he's scum with Alice here

You don't say...

I have been saying all along. Town is too dysfunctional for AliceK to ever be scum.

If AliceK flips town (and she most likely will).

And if Andres dies in the night round.

Scum will have killed off the only other 2 players who scumread them.

Something to think about during the night round.

[pirate mollie]

if alice flips green i am taking a closer look at HoldenGolden

Who will you be looking at if AliceK flips green?

I am curious.

[pirate mollie]

is this a joke? lol

No, sorry I meant red.

And I am trying to reach out to you. Your paranoia is why I townread you, ftr.

I am trying to help break up the thinking process that led you to an understanding of a scum AliceK/Facebones scumteam.

Egg on my face if I am wrong. Feel free to lim me, I won't even put up a struggle. I know I am being risky here.

I just don't think I am wrong, and all I am trying to do is hold my center.

[pirate mollie]

Like the summary of the night chat is: mollie accusing gamma of stuff that they "let me" do things that made them fos us (???)

I am going to cut you off here, because this isn't how the timeline flows and you know it. You are lying about how things transpired. LYING.

And marginalizing Gamma, who is the only person I talked to in the hood, and we had several back and forths that you are intentionally leaving out. The only time I addressed you was when I accidentally misgendered you while trying to phone post while talking about you to Gamma. I hate quoting while phone posting. So I switched to a computer and did not double check, I just copy-pasta it to my computer.

I am in the middle of something right now, but when I get back I am going to break down everything that Gamma and I discussed.

cos it's delicious.

[pirate mollie]

And btw most of what mollie said to me was basically trying to turn me against Koba, telling me that they were the one who should be apologizing for the situation of mollie calling certain posts of mine not mine, which I do not approve of, because out of the the posts she did that with, 2 of the 3 were ones that were me spilling my guts on some personal struggles of mine. So it wasn’t cool that mollie basically tried to dodge responsibility for in essence saying “I don’t believe you when you say you have these struggles”.

-Justice

I didn't try to dodge responsibility for anything. ANYTHING.

I pointed out that I took your hydra partner at their word, that they would post under your Justice tag and at the time, you did not argue with this.

And I took them at their word. I believed that they did what they said they would do. And then I said I take things literally, because I tend to do that.

Then you switched arguments and made it about how you would never allow a scummate to bus, ever. (I can pull up the most recent game where one of your teammates tried to bus another one)

Sandwhiched between all of this, is you getting outraged because I found your outrage that I thought that Dkoba would impersonate you [even though they said they would] to be fake. I pointed out that we are in a mafia game,

The issue I am having with your slot is that it is consistently on a trajectory of discrediting me by either gaslighting me, or scumreading me.

I also pointed out that if your hydra partner was consistently ignoring the boundaries you set, like you keep claiming they are, then this is an issue within your hydra that you need to resolve.

I am now wondering, why you haven't resolved it.

I am titlted because your slot keeps making this not about the game, but me as a person.

And I am sick of it.

[pirate mollie]

Also, perhaps I need to detail why I’m being so skeptical of W&J. Because as much as I hate to say it, they will do anything and everything to win within the bounds of the game. I have seen them get into heated fights with their Partners, absolutely railroad players that weren’t sufficiently loud but had a good grasp for what was happening, engage in blatant manipulation, claim a nonsensical PR (and get away with it!), and even outright spam the thread as Scum. Everything that’s been said about their Town game is accurate btw - it’s based a lot on gut and emotion, but it tends to be mighty accurate. They can also switch on a dime. Which is why it’s so hard to pin them down early, and why I would caution anyone about forming a hard read of the slot unless they’re leading consecutive Scum executions and truly don’t make sense as Scum (though by then, they’re usually just NK’ed).

its been a sludge because the 2 main pushes have been mostly quiet and not active and hey - that kinda makes it *hard* to get movement.


notice how nobody is sheeping you on my slot now?

Are you a scumhunting genius now? That you can see through me so well when others have seen the same evidence and said basically "nah thats fucking NAI garbage"

humble thyself.

Koba I have seen you dismiss cases against your slot this forcefully as Scum though, so maybe take it down a notch? You can disagree with piratemollie’s case without minimizing their actual ability as Town.

I am not forgetting any of this, and neither should anyone else.

[pirate mollie]

MOLLIE NEEDS TO DIE

Okay why?

I can’t tell what is going on with T3’s slot rn, can someone reexplain why he is town?

Well, since Dkoba is just going to scum their way out in the open...

T3 confirmed his alignment to W&J and will just vote bloc with them.

Dkoba already said that they going to force town to lim me, not because I am scum, but because I am being "annoying".

I personally am resigned. I don't see being anywhere else but W&J, unless it

is

Holden, and I just got snowed.

I am fairly certain that they will go after you next, using Andres's paranoia against you, while ignoring that Andres's suspicion on them and for calling out their blatant role-fishing.

The latter is called an inconvenient truth, that Dkoba wants everyone to forget.

I will say this, you at least helped make the game bearable. Imagine being stuck in a

hydra

with them. Gamma says that he kept trying to reign Dkoba in, but Dkoba kept ignoring him and that for the sake of their friendship, he is sitting back while Dkoba continues to bully their way through the game.

I personally can't wait for the game to be over, so that I can start a thread in the feedback forum about white cis men weaponizing Enby pronouns to bully and promote white patriarchy within the movement.

Unfortunately limming me is not going to end the game, but at least I will be out of it.

If you ARE scum, good job. You made yourself infinitely more likeable than half the playerlist. <3