Mini 673 - Game Over!

[stark]

@ Stark

Stark, you were the the one who pushed the hardest for fuzzy's lynch on Day 1. Apparently you really thought he was scum...fine.

A couple of your exchanges with Simenon really stood out to me, though:

So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

Read 151 over. Stop pulling a Designer Mafia.

So he's scum because you just spun a fancy little nature of argument dialectic?

Scot wagon is unfounded.

Why are you opposed to fuzzy?

I still don't see has-reasoning.

In my mind, the only scum I see is fuzzy.

In the post above, you mention that the only scum you see is fuzzy, and you don't see any reason for Sim to be voting Has...

1. Cow should know better than to bring up "the random voting stage", something that doesn't really exist except in the minds of newer players. This comment just seems really forced.
2. Scot's response to this was absolutely right. "are you lazy or just unobservant" was a really snide and unnecessary comment.

3. This is a terrible defense. Pointing out players who are more useless than you does not lessen the burden on you.

4.

1. Tomato is posting enough content given the circumstances.
2. In an attack, I find it more townie to omit an admission of guilt.

Maybe "silly" wasn't right. But something was off about it.

My views on the post haven't changed.

Basically, all has has (hahahaha pun) does this game is demand other players contribute and question why their are votes on him. The fact that he only does the former is the reason for the latter. It's certainly the reason for my vote.

1. Those are all pretty hardcore legit. Do these make him scum, though?

2. Are you atleast 80% confident in Has being scum? If you are, I'll be content to lynch fuzzy tomorrow and switch wagons.

Now in this exchange (above), Sim gives reasons as to why he thinks Has could be scum. You don't necessarily agree that Sim's reasons make Has scummy, though.

The interesting part here, is even though you don't necessarily buy that Has is scum, that if Sim gives you the green-light you'd be willing to hop off of fuzzy (who you've been riding hard all day) and jump onto Has.

Hah, I was right about fuzzy. Maybe not scum, but still anti-town. Winner.


Sim, I am not sure that you're town, but I will 1000% trust you at this point. Do you think sharing your insights into the setup will benefit the town?

Now most recently, you state that you don't necessarily trust Sim as town... Yet, on Day 1 you were willing to jump off of someone that you felt really good about being scum (fuzzy) onto someone you didn't feel so good about (Has) if Simenon gave you the okay to do so. This seems really strange, seeing that you don't even have a good feeling about Sim being town.

What gives?

This is my new reverse tunnel vision strategy. That's all I can say.

[dahill1]

First Vote Count of Day 2

IH (1): (scotmany12)
scotmany12 (1): (BBM)

Not Voting (7): (stark, Simenon, Madcrawdad, strife220, IH, FaerieLord, hasdgfas)

9 alive, 5 to lynch

[MadCrawdad]

This is my new reverse tunnel vision strategy. That's all I can say.

Oh. Okay. Thanks.

Vote: stark

[Simenon]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think I get this setup, dahill ;_;

Um.. share?

I'm worried about forcing out role claims or giving scum tips. Give it 1-2 nights.

Crawdad's reasons for voting stark are sound. I'd prefer to

vote

for

flameaxe

, though, because he's a nonentity who needs pressure.

[Flameaxe]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think I get this setup, dahill ;_;

Um.. share?

I'm worried about forcing out role claims or giving scum tips. Give it 1-2 nights.

Crawdad's reasons for voting stark are sound. I'd prefer to

vote

for

flameaxe

, though, because he's a nonentity who needs pressure.

I am/I do? Why?

[strife220]

Strife, if you wouldn't mind just touching on the highlights of your fuzzylightning theory... It might prove helpful.

I was thinking his surviving D1 was a big strike against him. Obviously wrong.

Strife, why, if Tomato and Simpor were scumbuddies, do you think that Simpor would bother to defend Tomato when there was no real pressure on Tomato in the first place?

I don't understand the point here. Why would scum defend a scumbuddy who was being weakly attacked? To keep pressure on a townie.

And what's so interesting about the PEG/Tomato exchange that you posted? Especially since you say that you're not comforatable interpreting it.

PEG clearly ordered his 'want to lynch' choice of 3 players. There's lots of information in that post, even if strong conclusions can't be made. I.e. people should think and make their own conclusions here.

Let's say you did feel comfortable, how would you interpet it? Just wondering, because I seriously don't get it...

I'm not going to answer this question, because I don't think such subtle town- tells. But ask yourself: Would PEG-scum so strongly oppose the Scot wagon if Scot were his partner? If he was townie? If one of those 3 was scum, where would PEG have put them on the list?
At least, those are the questions I try to answer when scum make such explicit statements on other players. Interpretations may vary.

I can't see Simp and Tomato as scum together.

Because of Simp's defense on Tomato, or for other reasons?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think I get this setup, dahill ;_;

Um.. share?

I'm worried about forcing out role claims or giving scum tips. Give it 1-2 nights.

If you can't breadcrumb subtly, you shouldn't breadcrumb at all.

Vote: MadCrawdad

because of Tomato's actions.
I don't like his interactions with Simp and PEG, and I really don't like his actions at the end of D1.

Unvote

I don't really like the fuzzy or scot wagons at the moment...
fuzzy / scot is better than NL though, so I'd be willing to vote that given deadline, if necessary.

Guys, deadline is

today

.

POST!!!

He'd prefer a Fuzzy lynch over a no-lynch, but was clearly around at deadline. Yet he is very vocal about how everyone else should be voting - trying to stay off a mis-lynch wagon is my guess.

[Simenon]

[quote="strife"If you can't breadcrumb subtly, you shouldn't breadcrumb at all. [/quote]

It wasn't a breadcrumb at all. But next time I have any doubts about my abilities, I'll come to the guy who joined eight months ago.

[hasdgfas]

I can't see Simp and Tomato as scum together.

Because of Simp's defense on Tomato, or for other reasons?

both. Simp's defense of Tomato seems too genuine to be scum-scum to me right now.

[dahill1]

Post please

[MadCrawdad]

Here...

Mod, please prod IH & FaerieLord. Thanks.

done

[dahill1]

FaerieLord has asked to be replaced and IH hasn't picked up his prods, so I'm searching for replacements. Please don't make me replace anyone else

[dahill1]

Lord Gurgi replaces IH effective immediately

[Lord Gurgi]

Yo. Reread. Scum is fuzzylightning and Simenon. I'll start with Simenon.

Vote: Simenon

.

[dahill1]

Yay for replacements! Darox replaces FaerieLord effective immediately. Now get cracking people!

Vote Count

IH (1): (scotmany12)
scotmany12 (1): (BBM)
stark (1): (MadCrawdad)
BBM (1): (Simenon)
MadCrawdad (1): (strife220)
Simenon (1): (Lord Gurgi)

Not Voting (3): (stark, Darox, hasdgfas)

9 alive, 5 to lynch

Deadline on Nov. 3rd

[Lord Gurgi]

Maybe Darox is scum.

[stark]

Sim, who's scum?

[hasdgfas]

Yo. Reread. Scum is fuzzylightning and Simenon. I'll start with Simenon.

Vote: Simenon

.

fuzzylightning is dead. What are you trying to pull?

[Lord Gurgi]

Yo. Reread. Scum is fuzzylightning and Simenon. I'll start with Simenon.

Vote: Simenon

.

fuzzylightning is dead. What are you trying to pull?

Insanity. Fuzzylightning was a joke, he deserved to get lynched something hard.

[scotmany12]

Yo. Reread. Scum is fuzzylightning and Simenon. I'll start with Simenon.

Vote: Simenon

.

Mind explaining why?

[Lord Gurgi]

Yo. Reread. Scum is fuzzylightning and Simenon. I'll start with Simenon.

Vote: Simenon

.

Mind explaining why?

Meh. Your vote is on me because IH needed replacing, and because he never explained a vote. I don't need to give you anything. Try again when you have some decent reasoning behind yours.

[scotmany12]

Yo. Reread. Scum is fuzzylightning and Simenon. I'll start with Simenon.

Vote: Simenon

.

Mind explaining why?

Meh. Your vote is on me because IH needed replacing, and because he never explained a vote. I don't need to give you anything. Try again when you have some decent reasoning behind yours.

You refusing to explain your vote only gives me more confidence in mine.

[scotmany12]

Also, I just looked it up, and IH posted quite frequently since his last post in this game. He was definately active throughout the site, and he was around before the deadline.

[dahill1]

Also, I just looked it up, and IH posted quite frequently since his last post in this game. He was definately active throughout the site, and he was around before the deadline.

hadn't picked up either of his prods
unless i hear otherwise from him he's being replaced

[Darox]

Right, that's me read up.

I'll lay down some opinions on people in the near future, but first a question.
Hascow, you never said who you investigated last night. Who did you investigate?

[MadCrawdad]

Also, I just looked it up, and IH posted quite frequently since his last post in this game. He was definately active throughout the site, and he was around before the deadline.

@scotmany

Based on this post above, I took a look at IH's activity between his 9/29 post: 'Will make significant post later' and the 10/6 deadline. During that period he had one insubstantial post in another game (in which he's also being replaced). Everything else by him has been posted in the General Discussion forum...it's probably safe to say that he's bailed on all of his current games.

Having played another game with IH (in which he was a townie who disappeared for REALLY long periods before finally being replaced) I'm not inclined to lynch IH for lurking, as in my experience, that's all he does. Not saying that makes him innocent, just that it's probably not the damning evidence you were hoping for.

What I do find interesting, though, is WHEN you posted the info about IH:


In the exchange with Lord Gurgi below, you claim that Gurgi's refusal to answer your question (due to your seemingly weak case) reinforces your thoughts that Gurgi is likely scum.

Yo. Reread. Scum is fuzzylightning and Simenon. I'll start with Simenon.

Vote: Simenon

.

Mind explaining why?

Meh. Your vote is on me because IH needed replacing, and because he never explained a vote. I don't need to give you anything. Try again when you have some decent reasoning behind yours.

You refusing to explain your vote only gives me more confidence in mine.

Only 6 minutes later you take it upon yourself to do a little digging to try to bolster your case on IH/Gurgi and post this:

Also, I just looked it up, and IH posted quite frequently since his last post in this game. He was definately active throughout the site, and he was around before the deadline.

So, to clarify, Gurgi's refusal to answer your question made you think even more that he's scum, but it did get you to work harder to get you to try to give decent reasons for your vote.

So my question is if Gurgi's refusal was such an obvious scum move, why does it look like you started working so quickly to bolster your case on IH/Gurgi after Gurgi pointed out that it was lacking?