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[T3]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

[Amy Dunne]

VT in both

I thought his role had something to do with a role I had seen in a previous game where one player had to write out their solve every night.

No worries, just help me find the other two scum besides T3.

Dunn and I lean RR > Cheeky but if we lim Dunn and T3, we’re probably in a decent spot. Also Cheeky was jk’d by RCE and her play here is 180 degrees different than in ELSM.

But just in case, we’re probably safe with limming Dunn or T3, I think.

I think claiming to invest Chloe is extremely suspicious.

[T3]

I think we need to hear from T3 about why he fakeclaimed and why he hammered.

T3's desire to avoid questions and then comes out with a suspicious claim may be a stall tactic.

The question I was avoiding is why I thought Dunn was town.
I thought Dunn was town because of my night action result (and it would be suboptimal to claim it yesterday instead of today), so this point is wrong.

[T3]

I don't see any reason why you can't elaborate yet. Surely you telling us the nature of your investigation and who you targeted won't change whatever result you get from the mod, and it would make it a lot easier to decide whether to trust you

I targeted Dwlee N3. If I had received that he was a Rolecop, then I would have asked everyone to claim. If Dwlee had claimed VT then I would know he was lying about being a Rolecop.

[T3]

*they

[Amy Dunne]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

[T3]

Meg was Tracker and RCE was JK, which has both protective and investigative utility. So that's a Lot of Town power if T3's telling the truth here...

Agreed. T3 is almost certainly fakeclaiming. The question is, for what purpose?

No. My role is fairly weak, in that it can only find one scum. Same goes for Meg's Tracker role, it can only find one scum. So that's 2 weak investigatives and a strong protective.
(This is assuming there is a scum rolecop. There definitely isn't a Town Rolecop as that would mean 3 town investigatives, which is very unlikely. So I'm assuming the Rolecop is a Mafia Rolecop.)

[Titus]

I don't see any reason why you can't elaborate yet. Surely you telling us the nature of your investigation and who you targeted won't change whatever result you get from the mod, and it would make it a lot easier to decide whether to trust you

I targeted Dwlee N3. If I had received that they were a Rolecop, then I would have asked everyone to claim. If Dwlee had claimed VT then I would know they were lying about being a Rolecop.

This means nothing. I am 99.9 percent sure you've seen a game where town had a strongman finder when scum had no strongman to begin with (it should be the game you claimed informed miller). To rely on this as heavily as you do is suspect.

[Titus]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Didn't RCE die night 1 so his death wouldn't be explained by a rolecop either?

[Amy Dunne]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Didn't RCE die night 1 so his death wouldn't be explained by a rolecop either?

Right, so if scum has a an actual role cop, then why are me and Mastina dead then?

Yeah, not buying T3’s claim. If scum has a rolecop, then they would have at least one tpr dead if not two on d2 & 3.

[T3]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Scum may not have gotten any results that are not vanilla. This is a normal game, and Jingle doesn't seem like a crazy normal setup designer. So, there are probably 4 or 3 Town PRs, depending on scum power. Two of the PRs died early. Scum has no reason to Rolecop check me as I'm a likely mislim. Plugging in the numbers (this might be wrong), assuming scum shot randomly in their possible pool of PRs not including me, there's a 57% chance that they got 'Vanilla' results on both Night 1 and Night 2.

[T3]

I don't see any reason why you can't elaborate yet. Surely you telling us the nature of your investigation and who you targeted won't change whatever result you get from the mod, and it would make it a lot easier to decide whether to trust you

I targeted Dwlee N3. If I had received that they were a Rolecop, then I would have asked everyone to claim. If Dwlee had claimed VT then I would know they were lying about being a Rolecop.

This means nothing. I am 99.9 percent sure you've seen a game where town had a strongman finder when scum had no strongman to begin with (it should be the game you claimed informed miller). To rely on this as heavily as you do is suspect.

I

have

... that's why I say it's a soft inno.

[Dwlee99]

Meh it's not like unbelievable

not really a soft clear other than "these three people I checked probably aren't ALL scum together" so

[T3]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Didn't RCE die night 1 so his death wouldn't be explained by a rolecop either?

Right, so if scum has a an actual role cop, then why are me and Mastina dead then?

Yeah, not buying T3’s claim. If scum has a rolecop, then they would have at least one tpr dead if not two on d2 & 3.

Because scum Rolecopped VT's who are not on Nights 1 and 2.

[Amy Dunne]

RCEnigma has died in the Mini Normal! He was

Spoiler:

Town Jailkeeper.

Vote Count Normal.2.00

Radical Rat (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Ircher (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Dwlee99 (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

T3 (E-6):

House (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (11):

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

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Night One Continues! All actions are due by: (expired on 2021-12-05 18:00:00)!

Yep, Titus is right, only tpr who died was on N1.

[Amy Dunne]

Meh it's not like unbelievable

not really a soft clear other than "these three people I checked probably aren't ALL scum together" so

Anyway, even if T3 is telling the truth, all it confirms is no role cop in Dunn/Chloe.

So it doesn’t make Dunn town but if T3 is telling the truth then likely two of RR/Cheeky/Titus is fooling me if you believe Dwelee’s claim.

[Dwlee99]

I'm VT btw

[Dwlee99]

I don't think I've claimed beyond "town"

[Titus]

Amy, do you have an order for massclaim?

[Radical Rat]

Meg was Tracker and RCE was JK, which has both protective and investigative utility. So that's a Lot of Town power if T3's telling the truth here...

Agreed. T3 is almost certainly fakeclaiming. The question is, for what purpose?

No. My role is fairly weak, in that it can only find one scum. Same goes for Meg's Tracker role, it can only find one scum. So that's 2 weak investigatives and a strong protective.
(This is assuming there is a scum rolecop. There definitely isn't a Town Rolecop as that would mean 3 town investigatives, which is very unlikely. So I'm assuming the Rolecop is a Mafia Rolecop.)

Tracker can potentially find ALL scum. If there's a rolecop, as your claim implies, then that gives reason to look at a slot closer. Same for any other potential scum PRs. In addition to having a very strong immediate guilty if the killer is tracked, I would Not consider Tracker a weak investigative.

[Radical Rat]

Regardless of that though... I think I do believe the claim, it's weak enough and weirdly specific to fake, but I wouldn't really consider the results even a soft inno. All we know is that they're not a specific member of the scumteam, if we take your role to mean a scum rolecop exists. So the team cannot be Dunn/Dwlee/Chloe, but it can still be any one or two of them.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, do you have an order for massclaim?

Dunn, RR, Cheeky, you, Chloe since Dwelee and T3 have already claimed.

[Amy Dunne]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Why do I die in A if scum has a rolecop?

That explains RCE but not me or Mastina. Both of us flipped vt.

Didn't RCE die night 1 so his death wouldn't be explained by a rolecop either?

Right, so if scum has a an actual role cop, then why are me and Mastina dead then?

Yeah, not buying T3’s claim. If scum has a rolecop, then they would have at least one tpr dead if not two on d2 & 3.

Because scum Rolecopped VT's who are not on Nights 1 and 2.

How does that explain that though? Your argument is that scum rolecopped other vts than me and Mastina?

[Titus]

Amy, do you have an order for massclaim?

Dunn, RR, Cheeky, you, Chloe since Dwelee and T3 have already claimed.

I'm fine with this.

[Amy Dunne]

I think we need to hear from T3 about why he fakeclaimed and why he hammered.

T3's desire to avoid questions and then comes out with a suspicious claim may be a stall tactic.

The question I was avoiding is why I thought Dunn was town.
I thought Dunn was town because of my night action result (and it would be suboptimal to claim it yesterday instead of today), so this point is wrong.

How? Based on this, three scum in A, two of which can’t be rc. If there was only one scum left and the other two didn’t flip rc, then this argument would make sense.