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[the worst]

idk, catching up, thought I'd react to this though, and hey, here's my first "true piece of content" for yall

i think like, ~assertively null~ is about where i landed on that post from scorp as well. it could go either way and i think i'd rather see scorp's analysis on others than see scorp's reaction to being wagoned more.

i have thoughts on your next post but won't speak for retti so will shelve that.

How so? I’m not going to vote someone every time they do something I don’t like..

How do you view this post?

I think it makes sense for town!you to vote for someone if you think they made "the worst post of the game" rather than keep your vote on your RVS which means really nothing.

The fact that you don't really see your vote as a tool to pressure/attack people that you suspect makes me think you are not very interested in scumhunting.

Uhh what? you SR someone for not voting? I mean, my method of scumhunting doesn't typically involve talking with my vote? Like, engaging with people and talking to them is better than just a simple (Vote X)

i agree.
do you think it's a playstyle difference between natalya & scorpious or do you think natalya is pushing scorpious opportunistically?

VOTE: Scorpius E-2

Fua & Andante are town. Retti probationary town. Oman is too lucid and considered and I'm scared to have a read on them.

What made you decide to put Scorp on E-2?

i'm a punk who does as they please
mmm originally it was a whim. i like big wagons, and i was curious to see if anything else happened. it lost a lot of interest to me when scorp made the post abt clique culture etc.

well i was going to say i thought i had a play style clash with andante but now i think we should just vote her out now because i was certain she was scum in my last game with her. i backed out of it and she just endgamed as scum. i need to read this game again with that in mind but my initial thoughts were that andante was scum here but that was under the assumption that she was town in the other game which is not true.

i spent a lot of time meta'ing andante for my last game and i can confirm none of her town tells showed up in her last game, but i still believed she was town off other things, so i'll have to give this game a good read when i have more time later.

oh heck yeah i love a spicy read. my townread on andante is like, super lazy and premature, but i do think she's advancing the gamestate in a way that tends towards clarity rather than deception. i'm reading tea leaves here tho.

hope you don't mind me being granular. from meta analysis, do you think there's a particular mindset we should be looking for from andante to indicate her alignment? what struck you as different here (even if it's just like, a sentence or some gut feeling, what sparked that feeling?)

a game of 13 is usually 10:3 which means voting someone out because they're hard to read flips scum ~23% of the time. voting someone out because they randed scum works 100% of the time. so i'd rather vote out scum in this game, than vote out skilled scum players.

[the worst]

my initial thoughts were that andante seemed very explain-y, overexplain-y but i wasn't reading closely so i'll give that a reassessment probably sometime tomorrow.

ah i didn't see this in preview edit. i'm holding my breath for tomorrow.

[Andante]

i spent a lot of time meta'ing andante for my last game and i can confirm none of her town tells showed up in her last game, but i still believed she was town off other things, so i'll have to give this game a good read when i have more time later.

Let's not meta me.... Like, just look at the context of the game.. I promise you, I get very clear on my alignment as the game goes on. And you have a much better use of your time right now by just looking at the context of the game, surely you have some thoughts on someone other than me?

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 1.4

Scorpious(4)

~ Natalya(25), Azaariah(3), Egix96(3), fua(24)

T3(3)

~ Andante(41), Retti(19), Oman(5)

Egix96(2)

~ the worst(14), T3(16)

UglyDuck(1)

~ Andresvmb(2)

Andresvmb(1)

~ UglyDuck(2)

Andante(1)

~ JacksonVirgo(4)


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[Andante]

Sorry for the million catchup posts, I honestly didn't even intend on talking here, but got sick of staring at notes, so was like, ok.. game time it is!!

Spoiler: Post 200 that I'm responding to:

idk, catching up, thought I'd react to this though, and hey, here's my first "true piece of content" for yall

i think like, ~assertively null~ is about where i landed on that post from scorp as well. it could go either way and i think i'd rather see scorp's analysis on others than see scorp's reaction to being wagoned more.

i have thoughts on your next post but won't speak for retti so will shelve that.

How so? I’m not going to vote someone every time they do something I don’t like..

How do you view this post?

I think it makes sense for town!you to vote for someone if you think they made "the worst post of the game" rather than keep your vote on your RVS which means really nothing.

The fact that you don't really see your vote as a tool to pressure/attack people that you suspect makes me think you are not very interested in scumhunting.

Uhh what? you SR someone for not voting? I mean, my method of scumhunting doesn't typically involve talking with my vote? Like, engaging with people and talking to them is better than just a simple (Vote X)

i agree.
do you think it's a playstyle difference between natalya & scorpious or do you think natalya is pushing scorpious opportunistically?

VOTE: Scorpius E-2

Fua & Andante are town. Retti probationary town. Oman is too lucid and considered and I'm scared to have a read on them.

What made you decide to put Scorp on E-2?

i'm a punk who does as they please
mmm originally it was a whim. i like big wagons, and i was curious to see if anything else happened. it lost a lot of interest to me when scorp made the post abt clique culture etc.

well i was going to say i thought i had a play style clash with andante but now i think we should just vote her out now because i was certain she was scum in my last game with her. i backed out of it and she just endgamed as scum. i need to read this game again with that in mind but my initial thoughts were that andante was scum here but that was under the assumption that she was town in the other game which is not true.

i spent a lot of time meta'ing andante for my last game and i can confirm none of her town tells showed up in her last game, but i still believed she was town off other things, so i'll have to give this game a good read when i have more time later.

oh heck yeah i love a spicy read. my townread on andante is like, super lazy and premature, but i do think she's advancing the gamestate in a way that tends towards clarity rather than deception. i'm reading tea leaves here tho.

hope you don't mind me being granular. from meta analysis, do you think there's a particular mindset we should be looking for from andante to indicate her alignment? what struck you as different here (even if it's just like, a sentence or some gut feeling, what sparked that feeling?)

a game of 13 is usually 10:3 which means voting someone out because they're hard to read flips scum ~23% of the time. voting someone out because they randed scum works 100% of the time. so i'd rather vote out scum in this game, than vote out skilled scum players.

> i think like, ~assertively null~ is about where i landed on that post from scorp as well. it could go either way and i think i'd rather see scorp's analysis on others than see scorp's reaction to being wagoned more.
* I mean, Scorp reacted about as well as I would react in that same situation, you can't really analyze others when you're being pushed for something super minor, like, we'd all love to see more analysis on whoever from everyone, but playstyles, we all have different methods of catching scum.

> do you think it's a playstyle difference between natalya & scorpious or do you think natalya is pushing scorpious opportunistically?
* I'm still undecided exactly, but I'm more inclined to believe stuff isn't of bad faith, and just genuinely people being themselves, like, I'm trying to decided if Natalya wanted to keep pushing Scorp for thesake of pushing, or if she genuinely believes in her vote theory thing?

> i'm a punk who does as they please
mmm originally it was a whim. i like big wagons, and i was curious to see if anything else happened. it lost a lot of interest to me when scorp made the post abt clique culture etc.
* So the genuine frustration (which 100% can come from either alignment) changed your mind, but that was it? like, what are your thoughts on the whole "Natalya SRs Scorp for not voting" cause I think that's like the only legit reason for the wagon, and everyone else is voting to vote cause "we're not allowed to vote no one"

> my townread on andante is like, super lazy and premature, but i do think she's advancing the gamestate in a way that tends towards clarity rather than deception.
* lol good answer. Like, I see all the "Andante town" being said, but I literally didn't do much before this catchup

* I wouldn't rely on meta to read me, just saying, like, I am a very strong mafia player, town game is... needs work, but I have off site experience, and always get compliments on my maf game but also just like, I haven't played much mafia recently, sooo let's not solely go off meta lol

[Andante]

LMAOOO I SERIOUSLY LOVE THESE CREATURES, like, 1000/10 flavor this game, how does one even find snek doggo, or this "reindeer" lmaooo all these are making me laugh so much

[Scorpious]

my initial thoughts were that andante seemed very explain-y, overexplain-y but i wasn't reading closely so i'll give that a reassessment probably sometime tomorrow.

This is the second time I’m seeing this “explainy” word..

Please define it when you return tomorrow?

I’d like to know, in your words what it means.

And why is it bad?

Pedit- the rEINDEER is nothing short of genius

[Andante]

my initial thoughts were that andante seemed very explain-y, overexplain-y but i wasn't reading closely so i'll give that a reassessment probably sometime tomorrow.

This is the second time I’m seeing this “explainy” word..

Please define it when you return tomorrow?

I’d like to know, in your words what it means.

And why is it bad?

Pedit- the rEINDEER is nothing short of genius

Oh easy, if I'm explaining "explainy" wrong someone can fix it, but I'm pretty sure I have an idea what Aza is referring to, and it's literally just the fact I use a lot of words when I talk, and I can ramble on about more info that you didn't ask for, thus "explaining too much"

[Retti]

wow... Oman town, I don't see scum putting in that much effort this early

What about the effort did you like, exactly?

I retract 119, I didn't actually read the giant post, there's something that feels off about an Omin post I just read tbh

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Sooo I asked specifically because I see scum do the "long post = town" gloss all the time early in games, because they get lazy and don't want to have to actually engage with the content and while that post was

fine

, it was mostly a lot of quote replies to stuff, which isn't particularly

hard

to do, it was just in one block rather than in a string of 5 posts like I'd do it. It wasn't bad, I in fact liked what he said about the scorpious wagon. However, I wanted to know what

Andante

liked about it, because that post actually had several sections that were critical of Andante, and she just seemingly went "yep good post!!!" at it. Which suggested she didn't really read it, which as I said tends to be a scumtell.

But does scum openly just...admit to not...actually reading? Argh.


Andante, what did you see that feels "off" to you?

[Retti]

Are you often slow to form reads/do anything with your vote on day 1? I don't understand what you're doing right now.

What's the rush? I don't understand why you're expecting actual reads from someone so far, like, I could see 1 or 2 TRs, or slight SRs, but typically people out stuff when they have it, and if you pressure them, they'll just say whatever

Because I am Trying to understand what Scorpious is doing this game, because the more he posts, the more confused I get about what he is doing. After that last rant of his I'm probably going to assume he's getting run up for playstyle differences more than anything alignment indicative and responding negatively to that, shrug my shoulders, and leave him alone.

[Retti]

well i was going to say i thought i had a play style clash with andante but now i think we should just vote her out now because i was certain she was scum in my last game with her. i backed out of it and she just endgamed as scum. i need to read this game again with that in mind but my initial thoughts were that andante was scum here but that was under the assumption that she was town in the other game which is not true.

i spent a lot of time meta'ing andante for my last game and i can confirm none of her town tells showed up in her last game, but i still believed she was town off other things, so i'll have to give this game a good read when i have more time later.

Cool, towny post, thank god that there's at least one person in this game that's an easy read that doesn't set the paranoid voices in the back of my head off.

[Azaariah]

hmm ok so i read some more pages and the only things i've got are that i feel very strongly that retti is town or their playstyle just appeals to me so much that i refuse to believe they could be scum.
i want to believe oman is town
i find scorpius scummy but i don't know if i necessarily think it's coming from scum, if that makes sense
about andante, im going to hold off on that for now. i have thoughts, a lot of them actually, but i dont feel good saying them right now because im sure i'll talk myself out of them and that'll frustrate me very much.
i think i'll just keep waiting for something to really ping me because so far im not really feeling solid on any reads.

[Azaariah]

well i was going to say i thought i had a play style clash with andante but now i think we should just vote her out now because i was certain she was scum in my last game with her. i backed out of it and she just endgamed as scum. i need to read this game again with that in mind but my initial thoughts were that andante was scum here but that was under the assumption that she was town in the other game which is not true.

i spent a lot of time meta'ing andante for my last game and i can confirm none of her town tells showed up in her last game, but i still believed she was town off other things, so i'll have to give this game a good read when i have more time later.

Cool, towny post, thank god that there's at least one person in this game that's an easy read that doesn't set the paranoid voices in the back of my head off.

well i think that's settled then. can we be given a mason pt please

[Andante]

I think Natalya probably has ~sincere conviction~ or whatever in her Scorp read, I just don't really think I see it, the questions he asked her are just asking her to explain her reads, which isn't exactly screaming "scum" to me. His response is weird but I would agree with Oman's assessment at the end of 115 that the votes on Scorp after Natalya look opportunistic in nature, which has me not wanting to go in that direction.

A thing that confuses me is that Retti/Oman believe the latter voters on the Scorp wagon to be opportunistic in nature but their votes are on T3, who is not voting for Scorp.

I was pretty explicit about why I made my vote in my post: It's better to have two strong wagons which cause people to move into "camps" and draw lines between each other than for me to vote egrix or whatever.

(I know this comes after the post I responded to you, but I was skimming, then went back to you instead of ignoring)
This one just read weird to me tbh idk, not enough for me to have a strong stance on Oman, but like "It's better to have two strong wagons which cause people to move into "camps" and draw lines between each other than for me to vote egrix or whatever." Who says this, this early in the game? like "ok, time to force wagons on 2 people and see what happens" it's definitely not my method of choice for how to play, but whatever, that post felt off though, idk how to explain.

And yeah, if it's a long post I'll tend to not really read it when skimming the thread, even though I know I produce a lot of long posts, but hey, sometimes you just say whatever, and see what sticks/people try to run with, like I knew I wasn't here for a while, wanted to see if people would jump in like "yep for sure town!!" just like the million TRs on me, like, are you saying it cause you genuinely think I'm town or you saying it cause you wanna try and pocket me, OR are youjust gonna repeat what everyone else says, it's like, yeah.

**So I didn't quote Retti's post, but this is in response to I think the first thing Retti just said, I see there's like 5 posts between them now

[Andante]

well i was going to say i thought i had a play style clash with andante but now i think we should just vote her out now because i was certain she was scum in my last game with her. i backed out of it and she just endgamed as scum. i need to read this game again with that in mind but my initial thoughts were that andante was scum here but that was under the assumption that she was town in the other game which is not true.

i spent a lot of time meta'ing andante for my last game and i can confirm none of her town tells showed up in her last game, but i still believed she was town off other things, so i'll have to give this game a good read when i have more time later.

Cool, towny post, thank god that there's at least one person in this game that's an easy read that doesn't set the paranoid voices in the back of my head off.

See, I read that and was like, ok town, doesn't wanna get tricked by me again, funny. However, if the plan is to ONLY pay attention to me, and blame it on last game, like it'skinda sounding, that's where I get a tad suspicious. ESPECIALLY cause Aza basically started with like "we need to lim Andante to be safe"

[fua]

How so? I’m not going to vote someone every time they do something I don’t like..

How do you view this post?

I think it makes sense for town!you to vote for someone if you think they made "the worst post of the game" rather than keep your vote on your RVS which means really nothing.

The fact that you don't really see your vote as a tool to pressure/attack people that you suspect makes me think you are not very interested in scumhunting.

Uhh what? you SR someone for not voting? I mean, my method of scumhunting doesn't typically involve talking with my vote? Like, engaging with people and talking to them is better than just a simple (Vote X)

i agree.
do you think it's a playstyle difference between natalya & scorpious or do you think natalya is pushing scorpious opportunistically?

Personally? I don't think Natalya's push on Scorpious is opportunistic, given she built it as time went on incorporating new evidence from his posts directly. I do view things like Egix's or Azaariah's votes as opportunistic since there's no coherent line of thought that led them to their decision, but opportunism isn't always alignment-indicative. I'm still scumreading Scorpious, but I would be lying if I said that this wagon wasn't making me feel a little bit uneasy looking it over. I think that at least one of the three I mentioned (Azaariah, Egix, Scorpious) is definitely scum, though.

Still want Scorpious to answer my question on who he scumreads in particular.

[Andante]

about andante, im going to hold off on that for now. i have thoughts, a lot of them actually, but i dont feel good saying them right now because im sure i'll talk myself out of them and that'll frustrate me very much.

It literally sounds like you wanna scumcase me. You had the paragraph on me, THEN went to go read?? Like, yeah if you want me to be scum, you can spin anything I say into it being scummy "omg andante is talking me out of my read on them" like, I'm serious, if that's the plan for this game, I will honestly have no part of that

[Retti]

hmm ok so i read some more pages and the only things i've got are that i feel very strongly that retti is town or their playstyle just appeals to me so much that i refuse to believe they could be scum.
i want to believe oman is town
i find scorpius scummy but i don't know if i necessarily think it's coming from scum, if that makes sense
about andante, im going to hold off on that for now. i have thoughts, a lot of them actually, but i dont feel good saying them right now because im sure i'll talk myself out of them and that'll frustrate me very much.
i think i'll just keep waiting for something to really ping me because so far im not really feeling solid on any reads.

Surely you didnt time that post specifically to pocket me right after I said I liked your post, right? >_>

[Andante]

You know, Retti has kinda planted a seed in my mind, (not purposefully doing anything) and I almost can't unsee Aza scum in this moment

[Azaariah]

that was a rvs vote if that wasn't clear. i specifically wrote vote: scorpio because i am a scorpio. either way i dont have any scumreads right now so im just leaving that vote there.

[Andante]

Like, I genuinely see Aza trying to use last game as a reason to push me here (as if that's gonna work) and use it as an excuse to not share anything about a read on me, like I have 50 posts, and to go "about andante, im going to hold off on that for now. i have thoughts, a lot of them actually, but i dont feel good saying them right now" What? What is the specific reason to hold off on me? So time goes by and you can "forget" or let time pass so you see what others say and go from there? I wanna hear some thought on me please

[fua]

that was a rvs vote if that wasn't clear. i specifically wrote vote: scorpio because i am a scorpio. either way i dont have any scumreads right now so im just leaving that vote there.

No you didn't.

[Andante]

Cause later I know you're gonna claim I "talked you out of it" like, come on... like, honestly, I TR myself pretty dang hard right now, Iknow I've been towny, so I'd love to hear how "Andante talks way toomuch, thus she's scum"

[Andante]

VOTE: Aza I'm not convinced this is town lol

[fua]

i have some thoughts on the game but won't say them yet VOTE: scorpio

Your 'RVS vote' from page 4.

VOTE: Azaariah