Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[Dunnstral]

Alright, so here is my preference for how Game 2 goes now.

Dunnstral is the best elimination choice here. Between him and Amy, I think he's much more likely to flip red, and Demon Lord is not only a very scary ability for scum to have, it messes with my wagon results. And I know I'm more than likely dead tonight, but on the off chance scum keeps me alive to frame me, I'd like to have as useful results as possible.

To that end, the vote order on Dunn should look like this:
mastina > Titus > T3 > House OR Alyssa > Amy

	1 change	2 changes	3 changes	4 changes
Dunnstral Scum	Wagon Town	Titus Scum	House/Alyssa Scum*	Titus AND House/Alyssa Scum*
Dunnstral Town	Impossible	Amy Scum	Titus Scum AND (Amy AND House/Alyssa Scum* OR Amy Scum)	Titus AND House/Alyssa Scum*

*Applies to whichever of House/Alyssa voted in the wagon

This does assume that Dunnstral was both truthful and accurate when claiming Demon Lord is unaligned, but structuring the wagon in this way gives us at least one confirmed scum to eliminate the following day, if I get to share my result.

If I die, I die, but if I live the game is pretty much solved.

You're not going to get a result, you're either dead or getting blocked. Cheeky outright died with nobody protecting them even though she was obviously telling the truth

[Dunnstral]

We have to work with the information we already have, not fish for new information in a way that obviously isn't going to work.

[Dunnstral]

Your "scumread" is puddle deep and was obviously fake in game a. I was barely following along but was still able to pick you out as scum in that game. I'm assuming that you're telling the truth about your role in this game and were clearly playing towards game a. But, uh, if you continue to push like you're in game a still, I will consider that a scum claim. Do you want to play the game or continue to push me for no reason?

[Dunnstral]

That's also why I'm voting Amy right now, because their read was clearly fake, I was just wrong about which game they were playing towards.

[Titus]

Dunn, who is scum? Alyssa or House?

[House]

Titus, I'm afeared that I'm getting the Bad Vibes.

It would also explain why A50 was comfortable with focusing all of his solving on C.

[House]

And before anyone points out the obvious, my focus on A was vastly different from A50's.

Mine came from being overwhelmed with the content from all 3 games mingling in the same thread and conjoined votecounts further mudding the waters.

A50 set out on solving C with a mission from the outset.

[House]

Also, my interest in A was limited to a single player, not a game solve.

[Radical Rat]

My continued life is very strong evidence that A50/Titus are Town here.

I claimed UB in the Game 1 scum thread fairly early on. While obviously they couldn't have fully explained their reasoning, I would expect a scum Titus/A50 to insist on killing me before I got any results.

[Radical Rat]

We have to work with the information we already have, not fish for new information in a way that obviously isn't going to work.

The information we already have is that either you or Amy must be scum. While I understand that I am overwhelmingly likely to die and not get any more results, structuring the wagon in this way does nothing to contradict existing info, and I'd like to at least TRY to squeeze more out of my role while it lasts.

Would you be opposed to a similarly structured wagon on Amy?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

What's the vote structure that we need again?

[House]

My continued life is very strong evidence that A50/Titus are Town here.

I claimed UB in the Game 1 scum thread fairly early on. While obviously they couldn't have fully explained their reasoning, I would expect a scum Titus/A50 to insist on killing me before I got any results.

Remind me... what useful results have you gotten?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I wish I had thought to ask Cheeky about the conversations about the Universal Backup before she flipped, but I'm kinda struggling to see how this claim works unless he's scum with exactly Titus and nobody else.

With Dunnstral's role in the game, it's still a lot more likely that it's just him as scum, and then we can just go from there depending on who the remaining scum kill tonight.
If Dunnstral is town, then what the fuck was the point of that role?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Now that I think about it, it's a bit hard to believe that two people would both be scum in two separate games

I expect that the scumteams for all three games were fully randomized, but that still seems... odd.

It's a bit out there enough that it's probably just too improbable compared to the role just being genuine.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I wish I had thought to ask Cheeky about the conversations about the Universal Backup before she flipped, but I'm kinda struggling to see how this claim works

as scum

unless he's scum with exactly Titus and nobody else.

With Dunnstral's role in the game, it's still a lot more likely that it's just him as scum, and then we can just go from there depending on who the remaining scum kill tonight.
If Dunnstral is town, then what the fuck was the point of that role?

fixed

[Radical Rat]

My continued life is very strong evidence that A50/Titus are Town here.

I claimed UB in the Game 1 scum thread fairly early on. While obviously they couldn't have fully explained their reasoning, I would expect a scum Titus/A50 to insist on killing me before I got any results.

Remind me... what useful results have you gotten?

Four alignment changes on the Dwlee wagon. Which is only possible if exactly one of Dunn/Amy is scum.

[Radical Rat]

What's the vote structure that we need again?

mastina > Titus > T3 > House OR Alyssa > Amy

[Jingle]

Prodding T3.

[House]

My continued life is very strong evidence that A50/Titus are Town here.

I claimed UB in the Game 1 scum thread fairly early on. While obviously they couldn't have fully explained their reasoning, I would expect a scum Titus/A50 to insist on killing me before I got any results.

Remind me... what useful results have you gotten?

Four alignment changes on the Dwlee wagon. Which is only possible if exactly one of Dunn/Amy is scum.

The fuck you mean, "alignment changes"?

[Titus]

@House, RR is a claimed backup wagon sensor. He claims that after Dunn's flip, we can all vote in a certain order. If we do, he'll investigation that wagon and win.

[House]

With a claim like that, his continued existence tomorrow with a dead body popping up overnight would put him at the top of my scumreads, tbh.

[Titus]

With a claim like that, his continued existence tomorrow with a dead body popping up overnight would put him at the top of my scumreads, tbh.

Ok. Legit doesn't matter if we hit scum Dunn today and RR claims blocked.

[Titus]

We still get scum Amy tomorrow and then proceed from there.

[Titus]

Then if Amy is the blocker, we force an RR v House or Alyssa most likely.

[Titus]

That leaves scum being forced to kill me in your scenario House.