Open 838 – ISITMAINAC [Endgame]

[Greeting]

I'm not voting out

RCEnigma

or

Nathann

today.

I'm rather unwilling to vote out

Jacket

or

Scorpious

today.

Scorpious

less so than

Jacket

, but still.

Which leaves me with the preferable elim pool of:

RH9

,

Three

,

Save The Dragons

and

StrangeMatter

.

I get the feeling that

RH9

's way of dealing with suspicion is just ignoring it, unless they're put in a dire situation. This slot has been giving me rather mixed signals.

I think

Three

's reaction to being suspected, albeit overdramatic, was townie in the end. I mean, even if

Three

is not a Newbie, which scum threatens to self-vote past when they have just one vote on them? Honestly though,

Jacket

/

Three

argument screams town vs. town

(or scum vs. scum?)

. I've read parts of it, other then that I just didn't get more out of it than two annoyed and tunnelled townies.

[Cook]

vc

Three (2): Jacket, Three
Looker (1): Nathann
RH9 (1): Greeting

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
(expired on 2021-12-26 22:14:02) remains.

Looker replaces StrangeMatter.

[Save The Dragons]

three and jacket need to kiss already

[Nathann]

I'm not voting out RCEnigma or Nathann today.

I find this amusing because it implies you'd maybe want to vote RCEnigma tomorrow.

Hi Looker.

[Scorpious]

I'm not voting out

RCEnigma

or

Nathann

today.

Why would voting the IC or in this case. Not. Even need to be said?

[Jacket]

Before I really delve, I will say this.

I was not a fan of Jacket claiming to have intent of initiating an E-1 and then just sit of abandoning the idea.
How much time were you planning on letting elapse before the vote.

I waited. Then waited again. No word from you at all. Can you explain this.?

And maybe you have but I have not read much past me being unfunny.

The intention was to wait and give ADSE a chance to post in order to claim/give reads. I don't know what you think my nefarious plan here was supposed to be, exactly: say I'm going to vote and then not, and rub my hands evilly as we no-elim day 1? Hardly makes sense.

[RH9]

I understand. So StrangeMatter is getting voted for 'lack of content', Three is for 'bad faith' arguments, and Jacket for telling the Vig to shoot N_M and 'coordinating a mislim' on ADSE.

This feels like shitposting. Where is the promised VCA?

Here.
To me, the miselimination was unlikely scumcoordinated because we know that RCEnigma, N_M, and CB are all Town. I know that I'm Town and I TR Nathann. Greeting and Scorpious don't seem like they are groupscum. Therefore, scum was trying to coordinate another wagon and to me, that feels like the wagon on Scorpious. We know that Galron who is scum, started it and likely tried to get his teammates to get Scorpious eliminated. It fails though. I think that scum is somebody on that wagon.

[RH9]

Okay, I did skip a bit of the shitfighting at page 30 because I saw some lowkey personal attacks and I am very much not in the mood. I skimmed Cupcake Butterfly's ISO, not much gained from it, except for the vague wonder if it could have been a fearkill? Taly is a somewhat known player, right? Not sure who it would be a fearkill

from

, though.

My coffee is gone. I'm going for a walk. I think I like Jacket for town. Cheers.

I think that Taly is said to be a good player. I heard it somewhere. And RCE was so scared for his life, that it meant that Mafia didn't need to kill him until needed. So I guess that Mafia decided that CB could be a PR and there he goes. Also, I remember that Mafia goes after passive players because PRs tend to be like that.

[Save The Dragons]

i think i like RH9 for town

[RH9]

i think i like RH9 for town

Is this a pocket?

[Save The Dragons]

i'm a kangaroo get in my pouch

[Nathann]

If I were to go for superficial and lazy VCA, I'd go for RH9. If I am right about the wagons being TvT, then it's probably likely that scum was dispersing their votes around. And RH9 is the only person on that wagon I have no reason to think is town.

But that's superficial and lazy.

[Looker]

I don't have friends because I don't win mafia games

[Scorpious]

Before I really delve, I will say this.

I was not a fan of Jacket claiming to have intent of initiating an E-1 and then just sit of abandoning the idea.
How much time were you planning on letting elapse before the vote.

I waited. Then waited again. No word from you at all. Can you explain this.?

And maybe you have but I have not read much past me being unfunny.

The intention was to wait and give ADSE a chance to post in order to claim/give reads. I don't know what you think my nefarious plan here was supposed to be, exactly: say I'm going to vote and then not, and rub my hands evilly as we no-elim day 1? Hardly makes sense.

Hence the question, and it does not seem very nefarious.

I am noting a hint of a defensive tone here though.

[Scorpious]

I'm not voting out

RCEnigma

or

Nathann

today.

Why would voting the IC or in this case. Not. Even need to be said?

I re read this. Forget this question

[Scorpious]

Does anyone think Jacket's behavior is genuine? Anyone at all?

The hostility yes.. I was called a “weird boomer” because of my theatrics around the word “scum”. Was that offensive? Of course not. Just the route choice was brow raising.

I’ve seen this type of play and at least the way one chooses to present themselves is hardly AI in my experience.


The content I’m working on right now.

I’m reading you guys isolated… again.. I think One of you is scum.

[Scorpious]

As it is, I'm doubting myself on that push anyway.

Okay, fair enough. Mind telling me what's got you doubting this push now? In my readthrough of the last few pages, I got the feeling RH9 has gotten worse, not better.

I didn't like most of his responses either, but the self-assuredness of 468 didn't really feel like it came from scum.

Sorry Jacket. This is a big oof for me..

[Jacket]

Full disclosure: I interpreted that post as a PR softclaim.

[RH9]

Full disclosure: I interpreted that post as a PR softclaim.

468?

[Scorpious]

Full disclosure: I interpreted that post as a PR softclaim.

Can you elaborate a little? I can see the “soft claim” logic, but what says “PR” to you?

Cause I don’t see it.

[Jacket]

"The truth will come out and I will watch the downfall of all those who misread" seemed to be implying that he'd be able to confirm himself as town with a claim and so people would face consequences for being wrong about him. Didn't think that was a threat he'd make as scum.

[Scorpious]

I'm not sure I like this post, coupled with the vote on RH9 in the previous one. It seems like he's saying that he feels like this isn't the case with active scum and apathetic town, but then he votes one of the more active slots? Not saying that he can't have scumreads inside active players if that's his general view on the gamestate, but it feels odd considering he didn't elaborate on it at all.

I think you're misinterpreting my point here. Which is probably my fault for not being explicit enough.

I would characterize the following slots as not doing enough to be readable, as of the time I replaced in:

A50
ADSE
Not_Mafia
STD
StrangeMatter

Now, they obviously can't all be scum. But there's probably scum in there, because it does not feel like a game where scum are running the show, and I felt like the people talking were townie enough. (hopefully, anyway - bit me in my ass in my last game, but that was a case where scum were active but just letting the town eat itself alive).

To me those slots were basically all a dart throw. Acceptable compromise but pretty much a blind guess when it comes to whether or not they're scum.

The one player I

did

have a scumread on was RH9, so I chose to push there, rather than someone who was more inactive and nullish.

As it is, I'm doubting myself on that push anyway.

I find it slightly curious there is no mention of Galron on this list. He’s not on the “unreadable list”. But there is no read on him, same with me and others. But just an observation.

Why make a non readable list then offer a read on exactly one person? Complete with hedge.

Then, In the very next post we have their only direct interaction with each other this entire game

Also, Jacket, why the unvote?

He said a thing I don't think comes from scum.

Something off here

[RH9]

I'm not sure I like this post, coupled with the vote on RH9 in the previous one. It seems like he's saying that he feels like this isn't the case with active scum and apathetic town, but then he votes one of the more active slots? Not saying that he can't have scumreads inside active players if that's his general view on the gamestate, but it feels odd considering he didn't elaborate on it at all.

I think you're misinterpreting my point here. Which is probably my fault for not being explicit enough.

I would characterize the following slots as not doing enough to be readable, as of the time I replaced in:

A50
ADSE
Not_Mafia
STD
StrangeMatter

Now, they obviously can't all be scum. But there's probably scum in there, because it does not feel like a game where scum are running the show, and I felt like the people talking were townie enough. (hopefully, anyway - bit me in my ass in my last game, but that was a case where scum were active but just letting the town eat itself alive).

To me those slots were basically all a dart throw. Acceptable compromise but pretty much a blind guess when it comes to whether or not they're scum.

The one player I

did

have a scumread on was RH9, so I chose to push there, rather than someone who was more inactive and nullish.

As it is, I'm doubting myself on that push anyway.

I find it slightly curious there is no mention of Galron on this list. He’s not on the “unreadable list”. But there is no read on him, same with me and others. But just an observation.

Why make a non readable list then offer a read on exactly one person? Complete with hedge.

Then, In the very next post we have their only direct interaction with each other this entire game

Also, Jacket, why the unvote?

He said a thing I don't think comes from scum.

Something off here

I see. Maybe Jacket forgot Galron exists or something?

[Scorpious]

Yo I don't really want to play yet another game where scum gets caught but town listens to them anyway and acts shocked when we lose. Like this shit seems really obvious to me but it's already becoming clear pushing out obvscum is going to be such a needless struggle.

Town Doc and Mafia Roleblocker are both dead. Vig 100% can't be stopped today. I will just volunteer myself as today's elimination to stop this bullshit in its tracks, Vig just needs to shoot Jacket today. This is just preferable to me at this point, because I really don't want to have to argue for however many days we have that Jacket is obvscum just for me to get mislimmed anyway and then everyone forgets Jacket got caught after I'm dead.

This reads like a hyper aggressive soft claim.

[RH9]

Yo I don't really want to play yet another game where scum gets caught but town listens to them anyway and acts shocked when we lose. Like this shit seems really obvious to me but it's already becoming clear pushing out obvscum is going to be such a needless struggle.

Town Doc and Mafia Roleblocker are both dead. Vig 100% can't be stopped today. I will just volunteer myself as today's elimination to stop this bullshit in its tracks, Vig just needs to shoot Jacket today. This is just preferable to me at this point, because I really don't want to have to argue for however many days we have that Jacket is obvscum just for me to get mislimmed anyway and then everyone forgets Jacket got caught after I'm dead.

This reads like a hyper aggressive soft claim.

Really?