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Post Post #3000 (ISO) » Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:10 pm

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In post 2999, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Dwlee is spamming the neighborhood
Notably he's spamming the neighborhood immediately after Dunnstral asserted that Amy is scum and mastina should vote, if that means anything.

And I do think mastina voting is sub-optimal... But it does occur to me that the alternative is the other scum participating in guaranteeing their own defeat, so it may not be avoidable.
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Post Post #3001 (ISO) » Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:28 pm

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Nice, so RR is going out of his way to shade me based off of total wifom. Interesting.
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Post Post #3002 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:57 am

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How is a change in posting style wifom? Why did Dunn say you should be voted?
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Post Post #3003 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:02 am

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Dunnstral made a pretty good point in the neighborhood, and one that realistically shouldn't be reposted in the main thread

but it means I need to think a bit about how to proceed from here, since the gamestate really isn't as clear cut as it looks anymore
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Post Post #3004 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:05 am

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In post 1173, Jingle wrote:MegAzumarill (E-0): Demon Lord, House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, HAMMER!
Demon Lord -> House -> Mastina -> CheekyTeeky -> RR/Dwlee

the obvious potential solution already fails since we physically can't prove RR to be town
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Post Post #3005 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:10 am

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I don't think there's any way we can properly sort Amy/RR conclusively while eliminating House today, and assuming that there is a kill tonight, Mastina is needed to get any elimination tomorrow, which means town physically cannot win if the scumteam is anything other than the two combinations mentioned by her unless she can be convinced that she's falsely clearing one

at least unless she decides to scumside, which isn't entirely unrealistic since I've seen her do that before
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Post Post #3006 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:17 am

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Yeah, we're NOT eliminating House today.

Regardless of whether he's scum, Amy is mechanically confirmed and we're not risking passing that up. And if you think I'm lying there, then I should be pretty clearly scum instead.

House doesn't have anything except him being House, and not being explicitly confirmed Town.
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Post Post #3007 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:21 am

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oh boy
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Post Post #3008 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:35 am

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Also there's no point in keeping anything secret in the PT. Dwlee is in there, so we can assume scum already knows everything
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Post Post #3009 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:42 am

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It's confirmed that Dwlee has access to the scum PT still?
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Post Post #3010 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:51 am

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Yeah, that's how Jingle handles PTs in general. An exception that never applied was in the Game 1 scumthread, because Normal guidelines
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Post Post #3011 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 7:37 am

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In post 3006, Radical Rat wrote:House doesn't have anything except him being House, and not being explicitly confirmed Town.
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Post Post #3012 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:52 am

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In post 2992, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Shotgun response off general associatives is that I would be more cautious about them in a game like this
I wouldn't--associatives are actually more meaningful since if you vote someone in one game, you're voting them in all games. So if Amy were scum with House, every vote on House would be risking his death in game 2 during that timeframe due to the game sync between games 1 and 2 lasting until D3.

Amy was pushing House in both games 1 AND 2. As an extra reminder: the Demon Lord was not in fact controlled by scum and was in fact controlled by town, so voting House in game 2 was extra risky for Amy because at any point, if a wagon there formed, House could die in game 2 without being killed in game 1.
In post 2996, Radical Rat wrote:mastina, your argument is that Titus being alive makes me look Town, which means I'm Scum doing it for towncred? Am I reading that correctly?
Not precisely.

My argument is that Titus being alive is something
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believe will make you look town.
In post 3005, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:town physically cannot win if the scumteam is anything other than the two combinations mentioned by her unless she can be convinced that she's falsely clearing one
at least unless she decides to scumside, which isn't entirely unrealistic since I've seen her do that before
As a reminder, it's literally impossible for me to scumside with two scum alive. I realize you have only my word for that, but the fact that I am actually trying to scumhunt here is fairly good proof of that.

As for scumteams, yes, I do need convincing, but I can in fact be convinced.

The scumteam possibilities are:

House-Titus: mechanically impossible via RR
House-Alyssa: mechanically impossible via RR
House-RR: one of the two scumteam combos I think is most likely (but the elimination is always RR first)
House-Amy: I've explained why I think this is an unlikely combo and if you believe otherwise, yes, you'll need to convince me as to why. (The elimination would be Amy first.)

Alyssa-Titus: mechanically impossible via RR
Alyssa-RR: a possible scumteam combo which admittedly I've not given much thought to (but the elimination is always RR first), although it's obviously one you'd know to not be the case Alyssa.
Alyssa-Amy: the other scumteam combo I think is most likely (but the elimination would always be Amy first)

Titus-RR: while I think it's very unlikely, it's at least possible (but the elimination is always RR first)
Titus-Amy: mechanically impossible via RR

RR-Amy: possible, but basically gamethrowing from RR if so.

So when you remove the impossible, you get only:
House-RR:
Very likely combo

House-Amy:
Unlikely combo


Alyssa-RR: Possible, not really discussed tho
Alyssa-Amy:
High chance combo


Titus-RR:
Unlikely combo


RR-Amy:
basically impossible barring gamethrowing


In every single one of those, we eliminate either RR or Amy.
In post 3003, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Dunnstral made a pretty good point in the neighborhood, and one that realistically shouldn't be reposted in the main thread
I find this baffling coming from you.

Weren't you the one who complained about keeping things from the main thread in a previous Jingle mini theme?

'Cause I distinctly recall you complaining about how much of the game was in that PT, how much of the game revolved around that PT, the info in that PT being kept from the town, your inability to interact with the players within, etc.

You're now doing to me what was done to you in that game by keeping the info from me. Which is, again, why I find it so baffling. I realize that game was two years ago, but I'd expect the bad experience of having been locked out of the loop to have stuck with you? Like, I remembered it, and it wasn't even me who was affected! How could I remember something relating to you which you wouldn't? So I find it hard to reconcile your self from back then complaining about how much you were locked out of the loop, and your self now deliberately locking players like me out of the loop.
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Post Post #3013 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:12 am

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In post 3012, mastina wrote:I find this baffling coming from you.

Weren't you the one who complained about keeping things from the main thread in a previous Jingle mini theme?
I think he was talking about how any competent scum team would kill you, or something.
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Post Post #3014 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:22 am

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Mastina, there's a pretty significant difference between a significant portion of the game being played in a PT that only has one player overlapping between within it and the main thread... and a single point being made in a PT that, with a judgment call, should remain there
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Post Post #3015 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:24 am

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and although it's probably not immediately obvious since I haven't really referred to it anywhere (maybe once?), I remember significantly less about my past games than I did back before I left.

a lot has happened in my life in the time I've been gone, and that sticks a lot better than a bunch of information on a website that has no relevance to me outside of it that until recently I had zero plans of ever returning to
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Post Post #3016 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:29 am

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but for posterity, what Dunn was speaking to me about in the PT was relating to you, and it gave me an insight into the game that could easily be relevant to the remainder of the game, but it has to be pretty carefully handled in order for us to get any advantage out of it
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Post Post #3017 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:37 am

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In post 3012, mastina wrote:My argument is that Titus being alive is something you believe will make you look town.
I mean, not really? Killing Titus would definitely have made me look worse, but only to Titus, who would have been dead, and doesn't have PT access to my knowledge. Keeping her alive I don't see being indicative either way. A scumteam not including me has no real reason to kill her over either me or T3, and a scumteam that does include me is incentivized to keep her alive for the pocket, so I don't think she dies either way here
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Post Post #3018 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:43 am

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In post 1, Jingle wrote:Dead mafia members may continue to post in the mafia thread after their demise (but are not required to do so).
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Post Post #3019 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:45 am

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yeah I checked that right before
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Post Post #3020 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:41 am

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In post 3006, Radical Rat wrote:Yeah, we're NOT eliminating House today.

Regardless of whether he's scum, Amy is mechanically confirmed and we're not risking passing that up. And if you think I'm lying there, then I should be pretty clearly scum instead.

House doesn't have anything except him being House, and not being explicitly confirmed Town.
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In post 2999, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Dwlee is spamming the neighborhood
Notably he's spamming the neighborhood immediately after Dunnstral asserted that Amy is scum and mastina should vote, if that means anything.

And I do think mastina voting is sub-optimal... But it does occur to me that the alternative is the other scum participating in guaranteeing their own defeat, so it may not be avoidable.
If this was actually true, then why make this post?

This reads to me like you’re grasping at straws to push my elim.
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Post Post #3021 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:52 am

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The fact people aren't bashing me over the head about how "Amy has to be scum and that even if she flips town, we have guaranteed scum in RR tomorrow" to pressure me into getting on the wagon isn't lost on me.

Notably, Titus not doing it isn't lost on me.
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Post Post #3022 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:55 am

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Titus strongarms entire cities to get town to do what she wants in pursuit of a win.

She's scum.
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Post Post #3023 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:02 am

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VOTE: Titus

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Post Post #3024 (ISO) » Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:08 am

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I’m 100% not moving my vote. RR is obvious scum now and he proved it by invoking Wifom from the neighborhood to augment his push on me. If he was telling the truth here, there would be absolutely no need to have done this.

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