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[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-5

Not Known 15

(3): butterchurn, notscience, Greeting

butterchurn

(2): V0ID, ɀefiend

notscience

(2): Cape90, catboi

GeorgeBailey

(1): Not Known 15

Greeting

(1): GeorgeBailey

Not Voting

(1):

none

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[butterchurn]

That's telling of an experienced player who seems acquainted well enough with the way the game mechanics usually work, so much that they already got bored of it. I'm just wondering why did they feel the need to let everyone in the world know that. This could easily be an overinterpretation, but it's staying in the back of my mind.

Fair! At the least I've been a bit hesitant around the townleans a few people have been giving me, because I'm pretty sure I'd have acted fairly similarly if I had ended up as mafia. I guess, if I think about it, I

was

probably trying to let people know my level of experience, because I think that helps them have more accurate reads on me, and may give more context to future things I say.

[V0ID]

Sorry guys for the inactivity. It's been a few busy days due to the holiday season. I still am kind of busy, but wanted to make a post even though it is not the most thought out one. By the way hi greeting and welcome to the game.

Notscience's colored list of his reads matches pretty similarly with my own, in particular the ends of it with a town lean on butterchurn and myself (not a lean, fully town!) and cape more on the scum end with everyone else in the middle. I am not sure what to make of that.
And at the risk of sounding parrot-y AGAIN of butterchurn, yes when I had time to read this thread yesterday I also was confused as to why cape said I was more town based on the opinions of catboi and notscience. Again, the wording seems off to me and it seems like cape is just picking a side now and going with the "void is town" side, as opposed to the more natural sounding response of something along the lines of: "after hearing their arguments I am starting to think void is town." (I hope I explained that well enough).

I am looking forward to hearing more from ɀefiend, as it seemed like he has like a lot of strong opinions just in general. And hopefully I can get a better read on him from his future posts.

[butterchurn]

Would it be accurate then to say that it's less about the fact that you agreed with both, and more that you found the town arguments to be convincing?

yes

Okay. notscience was the one who made the town case. At the time you seemed pretty convinced that notscience was scum. Why did his case convince you of anything? And if you only were saying that the town case was what convinced you, why bring up your agreement with catboi's scum arguments? What relevance did that have to do with the final clause of that sentence, which again, for reference said:

Also I think I agree with most of both you and catboi (60) on V0id at least to a degree, which probably just makes V0id town IMO.

[catboi]

Not Known 15 being pointedly useless is frustrating but not particularly alignment indicative either way. He's capable of faking stances as mafia so the refusal to do so isn't really a sign that he's frozen scum or anything. Not really thrilled with Greeting landing there with little else said.

That's telling of an experienced player who seems acquainted well enough with the way the game mechanics usually work, so much that they already got bored of it. I'm just wondering why did they feel the need to let everyone in the world know that. This could easily be an overinterpretation, but it's staying in the back of my mind.

Fair! At the least I've been a bit hesitant around the townleans a few people have been giving me, because I'm pretty sure I'd have acted fairly similarly if I had ended up as mafia. I guess, if I think about it, I

was

probably trying to let people know my level of experience, because I think that helps them have more accurate reads on me, and may give more context to future things I say.

I suspected as much which is why it's only a townlean, but you've passed a higher bar than everyone else at this point. If I couldn't pretend to have positive thoughts on anyone I'd likely fall into despair.

[Not Known 15]

Catching up later today.

[Not Known 15]

To answer your question, I immediately side-eye SEs hard lurking in a game they should be taking the lead on.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I think this is a good direction for now. This game has been going on for a few real life days now and they did very little, if anything. It is far more bizarre if an SE does that rather than a relatively unknown newbie player.

Not Known 15

, please post your reads, if you have any.

VOTE: Not Known 15

This is E-2.

Well, it is not.
I posted my reads.

VOTE: Not Known 15

Seriously? I know it's a slow game so far and it's holiday season, but surely you're capable of at least putting one single thought out there.

Yes. Everything you have talked about so far is NAI, and the responses also look like NAI so far.

The reads at that point were:
Town:Me
Null:Everyone else.
That's pretty clear.
Now, let me tell you what's suspicious:
Notscience's read confidence.
I won't repeat everything what Cape and catboi said, but basically they are right.
These reads are fake. At this point, there is no way that notscience should have reads like that. Only two nullreads, and

3 high confidence

reads?
BS.
VOTE: notscience

[Not Known 15]

E-2

!

[notscience]

Hey catboi, you aren’t the

least bit suspicious

your wagon partners are the exact scumteam I have been championing?

Particularly because NK15 should be well aware my of my early game strength after FGO 2.

[catboi]

Hey catboi, you aren’t the least bit suspicious your wagon partners are the exact scumteam I have been championing?

Do I think that's likely to be the exact team? Probably not. I think that NK15's post sounds fairly artificial, though.

[notscience]

I dunno, both seem to be hitting pretty hard on the confidence in my reads thing…

If he called it survivalism I wouldn’t have a problem with it, but that’s an awful post lol

[butterchurn]

I won't repeat everything what Cape and catboi said, but basically they are right.
These reads are fake. At this point, there is no way that notscience should have reads like that. Only two nullreads, and 3 high confidence reads?
BS.

His reads post was made prior to the last time you posted (and you clearly read it, since you parrotted it). Why is it only now worth a mention, despite being so significant you're voting over it?

[fferyllt]

GeorgeBailey and ɀefiend have been prodded.

[ɀefiend]

I'm here, but I'm gonna read with a fresh mind. See y'all in ~12 hours.

[Greeting]

Well, it is not.
I posted my reads.
[...]
The reads at that point were:
Town:Me
Null:Everyone else.
That's pretty clear.
Now, let me tell you what's suspicious:
Notscience's read confidence.
I won't repeat everything what Cape and catboi said, but basically they are right.
These reads are fake. At this point, there is no way that notscience should have reads like that. Only two nullreads, and

3 high confidence

reads?
BS.
VOTE: notscience

So you think that

notscience

is suspicious because they're very confident in their beliefs. I've read all of their posts. The tone of their posts doesn't give me much to suspect to be fair. I also agree with some of their takes, such as the aforementioned post 79.

I must admit that I also find it suspicious when someone gets so adamant about getting a hyperaccurate read early on in Day 1 in the game. Like, what even is this (the original post had a wide palette of colours which seemed to indicate how suspicious they look to the author).

Void
Butter
catboi
zefiend
GB
ahllo
NK15
Cape

Taken from less than 78 posts (some came from the host and the player themselves)?

Both equalise one another to be fair. I'm not willing to vote out

notscience

yet.

What do you think of

catboi

and

Cape90

?

[Greeting]

I reread and you had mentioned both players actually and kind of answered my last question. Sorry.

Let me rephrase it: how suspicious do you think both of them are in relation to other players?

[Not Known 15]

I won't repeat everything what Cape and catboi said, but basically they are right.
These reads are fake. At this point, there is no way that notscience should have reads like that. Only two nullreads, and 3 high confidence reads?
BS.

His reads post was made prior to the last time you posted (and you clearly read it, since you parrotted it). Why is it only now worth a mention, despite being so significant you're voting over it?

Because the post that said that these 3 reads were actually high confidence reads came later.

[notscience]

It was four, actually.

[butterchurn]

"more confident" is different from "high confidence". 2 is more than 1, that doesn't make it 100. I find the collective misinterpretation of this a little strange. You could argue that the word choice reveals some deeper subtext, and I might at least understand that, but nobody actually has, unless I missed it somewhere. You're just taking at face value that he revealed some inappropriately extreme level of confidence, and sourcing this from the general narrative that has appeared, rather than any original evidence. Seems like strange behavior. Then again, notscience hasn't exactly said anything since then to imply any less than a high level of confidence, but I wouldn't really expect him to as either alignment.

[butterchurn]

By the way, "you" in that post refers to both Not Known and Greeting. I find both of those behaviors strange. It feels like appealing to some sort of town "common sense", like "ah yes, as everyone knows, x happened, and I find that suspicious", but without ever supporting the idea that x did happen. That has a scummy feel to it for several reasons -- it's secondhand, it's continuing to push a narrative, and it gives an impression of agreeing with the general consensus even where there isn't one. I would likely have little to issue with the suspicion if the "high confidence" idea was more supported, but I find the fact that it was taken for granted to be strange.

Greetings post just felt slightly weird to me in general though, it seemed at first like he was going to push back against the point (the wording of the opening sentence doesn't feel like comes from a place of agreement to me, and if that's wrong then I don't understand the intent of it), but then ended up agreeing with the point that was made.

[catboi]

Not opposed to flipping NK15 atm, although if he's town and I get NKed, notscience should absolutely go Day 2. Don't think notscience is scum with Void, Greeting, or cape, though, butterchurn a general townlean, so if he is scum it's likely only with Zefiend or GeorgeBailey.

[catboi]

(There are reasons for those conclusions but it's not worth going into ATM)

Would like to hear more from zefiend and George here

[notscience]

I know I know I know!

Pick me!

Pick me!

if I die after nk 15 flips town kill cape

[notscience]

Scum*

[notscience]

If you call that a Freudian slip I will bonk you so fucking hard catboi