Open 838 – ISITMAINAC [Endgame]

[Jacket]

Can you explain the Looker townread?

Scorpious, answer this. It is a very good question.

Not a town read, no read.. 50/50 on looker and std.. coin flip for me at this point.

Sorry, holiday weekend then returning to email hell at work.

RH9, and Nathann are my scum reads .
STD could be whatever. No ideas how one would read that.

Looker and Jacket are my towns.

VOTE: RH9

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[RCEnigma]

Voting out SK doesn't lose the game so it's fine.

[Jacket]

Agree that Scorpious being oblivious about the claims is null. Still think the more likely answer here is that he's stubborn town.

[Scorpious]

But that’s the thing Nathann.

It isn’t right. I’m VT..

Same thing with IC. You are both incorrect. Why should I believe anything you say?
It’s ok to be wrong. Most of us are. Most of the time. But the fact is. You are, and so are they.

Based on all that. It’s not garbage.. as you say

[Looker]

VC

A Dreary Saturday Evening (7) [HAMMER]: Nathann, Cupcake Butterfly, RCEnigma, RH9, Greeting, Scorpious, Not_Mafia

Scorpious (5) [E-2]: Galron, Save The Dragons, Not_Mafia, Three, A Dreary Saturday Evening
Save The Dragons (1): StrangeMatter

With 13 alive it took 7 to hammer

A Dreary Saturday Evening

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There are (expired on 2021-12-17 02:29:03) left before deadline.

A Dreary Saturday Evening has been hammered. Twilight will last until XX:46 at a minimum. All alive may still post until the flip.

Just noticed that this has Not_Mafia voting two people at once. Mechanic or error?

I decided to take a break over the Night phase.

What do you usually do over the night phase

Actually it doesn't matter, we can only exist in 1 setup with multiple nightplay world's.

StD is conftown regardless.

Can you explain this? Because STD is where I want to vote. Is it because of 998? I'm accustomed to fakeclaiming being a thing.

Spoiler: Post 998

i'm not VT did you want my full claim

The setup is DDVMTTT with 2 conftown in myself and StD.

4v2v1

Im fairly certain that SK killed greeting last night and maf struck SK. With their BP down they are at risk of losing tonight.
SK also loses if they shoot town tonight. Scum can't CC SK with two alive because they just lose.

Looker/jacket/Scorpius/rh9/Nathan contains all non town

Looker/jacket/Scorpius likely contains all scum and possibly SK but I'm not quite as sure on the SK.

I'm actually sure that Scorpius is conf!scum at this point and Jacket is the likely partner.

So looker/rh9/Nathan is my SK pool with rh9 being most likely to me.

How are you drawing the conclusion of an SK when there are no kill flavors?

[Nathann]

Why are you telling me I'm incorrect if I'm apparently scum?

Pedit: I try to not think about the game during the Night phase, why?

[Looker]

I interpreted "decided to take a break" as a deviation from the norm and was curious what the norm was

[Scorpious]

Why are you telling me I'm incorrect if I'm apparently scum?

Pedit: I try to not think about the game during the Night phase, why?

What does it matter what I think you are? Regardless of your alignment you are incorrect.

I told the IC they are wrong as well.

[Nathann]

I was pre-empting any "why didn't you reread the game during the Night phase?" questions.

[Nathann]

What does it matter what I think you are?

Telling me I'm incorrect implies you think I can be incorrect, that is that my thoughts are genuine. Any reason why you're willing to enter this discussion with me but don't feel like doing something as simple as pointing out where you think I scumslipped?

[Looker]

I was pre-empting any "why didn't you reread the game during the Night phase?" questions.

O ok, so you figured you should have read during the night phase but didn't and that people would call you out for it. Fair.

[Scorpious]

No it doesn’t imply you “can be”

It infers you ARE.and intentionally not being accurate. Therefore being misleading. And since I feel your motivation is scummy; this is where we are.

[Nathann]

I've rarely to never seen someone call scum "incorrect", but fine.

What about my motivation is scummy? All you've cited that you're voting me for is being LAMIST and a mysterious slip that apparently happened on Day 2.

[RCEnigma]

Can you explain this? Because STD is where I want to vote. Is it because of 998? I'm accustomed to fakeclaiming being a thing.

Sure, I'll work from the top, there is a fair bit of setup elimination that has to go on.

Doc +1 shot Doc +IC gives us three of the rolls
DDM + TTTT
If all 4 of the remaining rolls went towards T then we would have no more prs but scum would have 2 goons and a roleblocker. No SK. No vig and no SK is impossible because 3 kills happened night 1.

DDM + ? + TTT

2 goons + roleblocker + SK
Means that outside of myself and flipped prs at least one has to remain in the form of (RB, 2 masons, 1shot vig, 1shot cop) the last roll could be D because 1shot doc flipped and not full doc.

DDM + ?? + TT

Goon +RB +GF, no SK.
Also isn't possible because in order for extra kills night one there would have to be Vigs and 2 rolls in V only gives a full vig or 2 maximum night kills

DDM + ??? + T

Goon +RB +GF, SK
Doesn't fit with everyone except StD claiming VT but does fit the amount of kills on night 1. I could get into the possible combos but it wouldn't matter.

At least 1 pr had to mechanically exist from the knowledge we had of night 1 (3kills) at least a vig had to exist. Massclaim confirmed that ONLY 1 pr exists.

[Looker]

And it would have been more advantageous for STD to claim VT as scum than risk a counterclaim? (I'll have to go through and look at the different roll possibilities later tonight, but thank you for laying it out because...lol)

[Scorpious]

So, i’m not even close to anyone here in mafia theory apparently.

Reading the above makes my head hurt..

I am VT.. however that changes anything. Base your figuring off that and you will figure it out..

[RCEnigma]

And it would have been more advantageous for STD to claim VT as scum than risk a counterclaim? (I'll have to go through and look at the different roll possibilities later tonight, but thank you for laying it out because...lol)

Well no....there has to be a pr. A PR wouldn't be claiming VT here. STD is the only claimed pr when we know one exists. Ergo they are the only pr.

I hope that was straightforward, I feel like I'm not explaining the process clearly.

[Looker]

No, the key piece I was suspicious of was the "A PR wouldn't be claiming VT here". I think that's the only difference in our initial approaches. Lol having to trust people's words is exciting. If it's not STD, then I think it's Jacket - coming for me for not contributing when STD previously had no justification for such a lackluster ISO is madness.

[Looker]

So, i’m not even close to anyone here in mafia theory apparently.

Reading the above makes my head hurt..

I am VT.. however that changes anything. Base your figuring off that and you will figure it out..

You are loved, Scorpious.

[Looker]

Also, before I forget: Google was started in 1998 - I didn't join until 2009 my account is not older than Google (I'm rereading ISOs to help me solve lol)

[Scorpious]

Also, before I forget: Google was started in 1998 - I didn't join until 2009 my account is not older than Google (I'm rereading ISOs to help me solve lol)

I thought that. Damn…

[Cook]

vc

Looker (1): Jacket
Nathann (1): Scorpious
Scorpious (1): Nathann

With 7 alive it takes 4 to reach a decision.
(expired on 2022-01-01 01:47:02) remain.

[RH9]

@Cook Didn't Scorpious vote me?

[RH9]

I don't recall Nathann getting voted.

[Scorpious]

I don't recall Nathann getting voted.

Is there anything preventing you from reading the game?